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[[17:24:56] <fr4nk> PRIMO MESSAGGIO DI TEST THE CHAT ROOM!
[[17:25:10] <fr4nk> FIRST TEST MESSAGE ON THE CHAT ROOM!
[[17:26:56] <t3st> message test!!!
[[17:27:27] <fr4nk> WELCOME TO THE CHAT ROOM!
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[[17:31:24] <TheChat!> WELCOME TO THE CHAT ROOM!
[[17:53:18] <Jack> Hello Chat!!!
[[17:53:34] <fr4nk> hey heyy!!! welcome here!!!!
[[17:57:48] <fr4nk> who will be the first user to post a message? let's see....
[[18:09:51] <thomas> Wow, congratulations F... it looks amazing!
[[18:10:33] <thomas> Hard work pays off!
[[18:17:39] <fr4nk> thank you thomas!!!
[[18:19:46] <fr4nk> you win "First ChatRoom User Prize" :D
[[18:21:58] <Guest> test
[[18:23:06] <fr4nk> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[[18:24:36] <thomas> 🚀
[[18:25:01] <fr4nk> oh funzionano anche le emoticon...interessante :D
[[18:25:27] <fr4nk> ♥‿♥
[[18:25:47] <fr4nk> si torna ai vecchi tempi di irc :D
[[18:26:21] <fr4nk> back to old irc good days (●__●)
[[18:33:02] <Guest> Ciao Frank ti ho trovato veccghia volpe
[[18:34:25] <Cla> Eccoti vecchia volpe
[[18:34:53] <fr4nk> ciao cla!!! benvenuto ahah :)))
[[18:35:14] <fr4nk> vado a cena, a tra pocoo!!! dinner time!
[[18:36:10] <Cla> Grazie,buona cena
[[18:49:42] <fr4nk> Thank youuuu :D
[[18:49:55] <fr4nk> ⊂(◉‿◉)つ
[[18:55:25] <spider> Hello everyone!
[[18:56:09] <Varx> Oh man. Bringing me back to web based IRC days. NOICE!
[[18:56:11] <fr4nk> hi spider!!
[[18:56:45] <fr4nk> ahaha thank you Varx, i'm enjoying it too, missing the 90's :D
[[18:59:19] <VA2PTL> Wow, great work!
[[19:01:33] <fr4nk> tnx VA2PTL, Let's bring the real chat back to life!
[[19:05:20] <fr4nky> changi nickname to see if i get a better color... (yes, nickname color is randomized based on your nick!)
[[19:06:17] <fr4nky> ok, a little better... i'll implemente more thing soon hopefully
[[19:06:42] <fr4nky_> color test....
[[19:06:44] <Varx> Does it escape micron tags? <fr4nk>
[[19:08:54] <Varx> Yeah probably want to escape out micron. Else n>> We can do whatever we want format-wise
[[19:10:49] <IK5FKA> Ottimo lavoro! Great job!
[[19:12:22] <IK5FKA> Vedo che l'ora è UTC
[[19:14:10] <laptop> Nice. Very nice.
[[19:15:38] <IK5FKA> Ok.. ah vedo che se faccio il reload mi sparisce il nickname sopra la riga messaggio
[[19:16:05] <IK5FKA> refresh da meshchat
[[19:17:48] <Varx> Nice! Just trying to beat the skiddies. Can you tell my dayjob is appsec?
[[19:19:43] <IK5FKA> Ci vorrebbero i topics, le stanze, rooms, channels... :-)
[[19:21:06] <laptop> test 1
[[19:21:24] <IK5FKA> non avevo visto il bottone reload...
[[19:21:27] <laptop> great
[[19:21:36] <_Fr4nky_> color change....
[[19:21:55] <IK5FKA> Laptop: test OK :-)
[[19:22:23] <_Fr4nky__> test (ᵔᴥᵔ)
[[19:23:20] <_Fr4nky__> i need to implement more appealing colors for the nicknames :D
[[19:23:50] <fr4nky__> it's going so dark now :D
[[19:25:01] <fr4nk__> color test
[[19:26:06] <fr4nky_> ୧༼ ͡◉ل͜ ͡◉༽୨
[[19:26:20] <IK5FKA> Si usano i soliti tag di micron? Quelli che sto imparando per le pagine?
[[19:27:31] <fr4nky_> per ora si, nei messaggi, ma devo filtrarli perchè se non usati correttamente (aperti e chiusi) possono alterare tutta la pagina
[[19:28:29] <IK5FKA> immagino...*
[[19:29:02] <fr4nky_> anzi, devo iniziare a lavorarci subito!!
[[19:29:07] <IK5FKA> forse ho fatto un errore?
[[19:29:20] <IK5FKA>
[[19:29:36] <IK5FKA> ho chiuso adesso il tag
[[19:29:59] <IK5FKA> Vero. C'è da stare attenti
[[19:30:30] <fr4nky_> ecco, avevi attivato il corsivo per tutta la pagina:D
[[19:31:05] <IK5FKA> :-)))
[[19:32:25] <IK5FKA> For non italian users: excuse us for talking in Italian...
[[19:33:27] <laptop> Immaginate il potenziale di rnode.
[[19:34:36] <IK5FKA> Infatti. Ma resterà un po' di nicchia se non ci sono interfacce amichevoli per gli end users...
[[19:34:39] <laptop> molto bene
[[19:35:08] <IK5FKA> Basterebbe un Sideband con browser...
[[19:37:27] <Guest> yeah we need a nomadnet browser on sideband...maybe it will come soon!
[[19:37:55] <IK5FKA> Notte a tutti io stacco
[[19:37:58] <Frank> color test again
[[19:38:09] <Frank> ok better :D
[[19:38:23] <Frank> goodnight IK5!!!
[[19:39:40] <laptop> good night
[[19:40:59] <laptop> I'm off to eat, God bless.
[[19:42:07] <Frank> i quit guys, see you soon, thanks for visitin this room! :)
[[19:42:22] <Frank> bye laptop, see you soon!
[[19:42:55] <Frank> * Franky has quit (Connection Reset by peer) :D
[[20:01:39] <Frank> added chatroom topic, freely editable from all user (for the moment)
[[20:03:51] <VA2PTL> Awesome stuff, chatting through an RNode !
[[20:06:17] <Frank> great!! :)
[[20:46:46] <Frank> Good Night Reticulum People!!! See You Tomorrow!
[[20:58:38] <VA2PTL> See ya!
[[03:09:31] <Luke> Love the IRC vibes!
[[03:10:40] <Luke> G'night everyone :]
[[06:51:01] <Doom> Hello everyone! ;) (added >>THE CHAT ROOM!<< to my links)
[[07:57:56] <fr4nk> Hi Luke, Hi Doom, hello Chat :))
[[07:59:39] <fr4nk> (⓿_⓿)
[[08:01:15] <Guest> good morninggggggg!!!
[[08:50:00] <Cla> Ciao chatp
[[09:00:48] <fr4nk> heyyyyy
[[09:07:00] <thomas> Good morning nomads!
[[09:07:31] <fr4nk> hi thomas!!
[[09:20:44] <fr4nk> improving graphic layout today!! :)
[[09:38:52] <thomas> Awesome!
[[10:37:19] <fr4nk> B009 ! * sanitization test...
[[10:38:10] <fr4nk> ok, perfect, all user input are skipping B009 ! * backticks to avoid micron injection :)
[[10:38:34] <fr4nktest> test
[[10:38:51] <fr4nkB009!test> test
[[10:46:27] <Guest> Hello fr4nky !
[[11:05:27] <fr4nk> hi guest!
[[11:05:38] <fr4nk> :D
[[11:22:34] <Doom> cool chat room :D
[[11:27:42] <fr4nk> hi doom! :)
[[11:28:29] <fr4nk> if anyone find bugs is welcome to write to: 0d051f3b6f844380c3e0c5d14e37fac8
[[11:48:11] <R1k2> hello chat!
[[11:57:04] <Guest> test
[[11:57:14] <Guest> wow
[[12:19:00] <VA2PTL> Seriously, this has to be the most useful tool for communities without Internet access. Congratulations on being the first to bring this functionality to Reticulum! Very happy to be part of the userbase! Pretty sure making this open-source would get a lot of attention! Thank you for your efforts!
[[12:41:35] <fr4nk> tnx! i think i will put it on github when fully ready, there is big improvement possibility here...new ideas are coming :)
[[12:57:24] <thomas> <3
[[12:58:14] <Guest> test
[[14:02:15] <johndoe> hello
[[14:33:18] <Guest> //help
[[14:35:48] <Guest> ping
[[15:36:12] <Guest> buongiorno
[[16:08:43] <fr4nk> hi guest 😅
[[16:14:25] <Guest33> anyone here?
[[16:15:49] <Guest33> /lastseen
[[16:17:25] <Guest33> test test
[[16:33:33] <Doom> Yep
[ [17:21:59] <Guest> hi
[[17:30:39] <Guest> test
[[17:33:15] <Guest> Guest is the new Anonymous
[[18:12:24] <fr4nk> LOL , you win :D
[[19:34:58] <ik5fka> Buonasera
[[23:50:05] <Luke> What's up everyone? What's up Franky? Digging the irc vibes
[[00:25:38] <laptop> So anybody else in South Florida got an rnode? I've been testing with my own equipment, so far no local announces.
[[00:36:13] <laptop> I'm at 2271660d57145cf4c8ed82be1fc5579e
[[02:48:36] <Hainish> oh this is neat!
[[03:49:08] <ConqueringTheism> OO yay group chat, I havent seen these since the early 2000s
[[05:37:02] <thomas> Good morning chat room! Cold winter morning in Cape Town!
[[06:18:22] <laptop> Hey from Miami, Florida.
[[07:08:58] <fr4nk> Hello World! :D
[[07:59:49] <Guest> Good Morning Reticulum!! :)
[[08:49:59] <fr4nk> hey laptop, take a look on rmap.world to see if there are neibhour nodes!
[[09:01:46] <laptop> I checked, everyone is far away. That's fine, I think most ppl who use these devices are most likely on meshtastic around here.
[[09:22:19] <Doom> hi laptop :D
[[14:58:41] <Guest> Hello all
[[15:14:36] <Guest> Woooooow!
[[15:17:26] <Guest> Tosi mahtava!
[[15:24:42] <ik5fka> Rieccomi!
[[16:23:22] <VA2PTL> Does anyone know why a lot of Nomadnet Nodes announce very often, but whenever I try to browse their content they are not available?
[[16:25:23] <VA2PTL> For example, X-MESH, which is 2 hops away, just announced 2 minutes ago but is unreachable right now. It has been available on and off, like many other Nodes, even if it constantly announces.
[[16:27:11] <VA2PTL> This ChatRoom, 2 hops away as well, is always available.
[[16:27:58] <Guest> Hello world
[[16:30:28] <Doom> X-MESH is accessible, it seems random.
[[16:54:04] <VA2PTL> XMesh not available for me for 20 minutes, now 4 hops away. Maybe this could be explained by the fact the mesh requires some time to self-heal, while a lot of test nodes may go online/offline regularily beacuse many people are just testing.
[[16:55:22] <VA2PTL> So maybe we get routed through some node for a while... and when this node goes down, it takes a while to get a new route that reaches our destination?
[[17:58:09] <fr4nk> hi guys! va2ptl, i have only 2 explanations for this, 1 node or page is in maintenance so not working atm, 2 do you have the latest version of rns and nomadnet? new releases talks only with new releases due to crypt algo change
[[18:18:16] <laptop> meshchat updated to version 2.2.1 also
[[18:20:49] <Guest> yes
[[18:22:10] <fr4nk> yes, i suggest to stay updated with all rns packages, new releases are not compatible with old releases due to this major update of aes256
[[18:23:29] <fr4nk> i wrote a python script to check updates and download new versions if needed, it's called frup (fast reticulum updater) , if interested ask and i'll share the link
[[19:03:28] <VA2PTL> Yeah I've been running the latest of both rns, lxmf and meshchat. I would say the routing problems are much worse since 1.0 release, probably because there are a bunch of nodes running older versions that do not support aes256
[[19:24:13] <fr4nk> yes i think this is also another probable issue!
[[19:24:49] <fr4nk> please everyone update to latest versions of all rns packages! :)
[[19:26:51] <fr4nk> but i think xmesh is completely down at the moment... Failed loading page: Could not establish link to destination. today morning was working fine
[[19:33:05] <VA2PTL> OK, at least I'm not alone :) But I keep receiving it's announces, so must be a routing problem on the way to it.
[[19:35:40] <VA2PTL> I must say I am now able to reach a lot more nodes steadily. I disabled 8 TCPClientInterfaces and only kept one, guess which one... RMAP.WORLD
[[20:35:54] <thomas> Not a lot of people keep nodes running consistently due to the still experimental nature of the Reticulum network, I guess... but I do appreciate when nodes stays up and there is maintenance done with clear messaging. It should be easy to do, but a lot of people maybe miss the fact that there is a lot of people trying to navigate to the various pages :)
[[20:37:33] <fr4nk> yeah correct...same here, announces received but no link estabilishing! :D
[[20:40:17] <fr4nk> VA2PTL :D rmap tcp server is connected to about other 50 servers with transport enabled, so with just 1 server most of the network is covered ;)
[[20:41:56] <fr4nk> yes thomas, i agree on everything :)
[[20:44:06] <fr4nk> propagation nodes, tcp servers and "public services" should have a stable connection to avoid problems to the whole network (rmap runs on a vps, idem this chat and the meteo bot)
[[20:45:10] <fr4nk> goodnight reticulum friends, see you tomorrow!
[[20:56:01] <thomas> g'night, chat soon!
[[21:12:02] <VA2PTL> Yep, all agreed. Even my main MeshChat client is web-based and permanently running on my home server, so it easily accessible from all my computers with a single identity. https://github.com/liamcottle/reticulum-meshchat/blob/master/docs/meshchat_on_docker.md
[[21:40:27] <Guest> boo
[[06:30:35] <Cla> Buongiorno Truppa
[[06:44:55] <Guest> Hello, world!
[[06:57:35] <fr4nk> good morning reticulum!
[[10:22:52] <thomas> Have a great weekend everyone!
[[16:15:42] <anonymous> nice
[[17:25:34] <laptop> these may be useful to someone https://codeberg.org/etux/Node_App_Template/src/branch/main
[[21:29:24] <Abdul444> Русские есть?
[[06:38:20] <fr4nk> Hello World!
[[07:59:56] <thomas> Have a fantastic Sunday, people!
[[10:21:30] <fr4nk> thank you thomas!! triyng to implement more chat functionality with a sql db as suggested by you, work in progress :)
[[10:38:17] <thomas> That's amazing! Looking forward to seeing all the potential that can be unlocked by such a change! ;)
[[10:45:11] <thomas> There is also the potential to associate the nickname with the identity if provided to the node (I think that was introduced in the latest version of MeshChat)... that would allow the user to not having to always fill in the nickname for every fresh new visit... (on another note, I am sending this via RNode interface going at 3.1Kbps 🚀)
[[10:59:48] <fr4nk> avevo pensato ad una cosa simile, ma la pagina credo non riesca a leggere l'identity...vedo quel fingerprint ma devo ancora capire...
[[11:56:25] <thomas> @fr4nk più tardi ci do un'occhiata e vedo se capisco come funziona, se riesco a farlo funzionare ti faccio sapere!
[[12:52:40] <fr4nk> ottimoooo tnx!!!
[[12:55:13] <fr4nk> have a great sunday everyone! :)
[[20:42:39] <thomas> Going to bed now, chat tomorrow! Need to get some rest before the new work week begins!
[[00:13:00] <Guest> goodnight guys!
[[00:14:46] <fr4nk> it was me, goodnight guys! (we need the identity & nick binding, mandatory!!! :D)
[[04:22:06] <Zen> Howdy *waves*
[[04:34:42] <laptop> hey
[[06:14:00] <thomas> @fr4nk 100% ;)
[[06:15:14] <thomas> Have a fantastic Monday, y'all 🙌
[[08:40:58] <Cla> BuonGiorno Truppa
[[09:04:21] <fr4nk> buongiorno /good morning /buenos dias/ guten morgen/ bonjour :D
[[19:00:10] <Guest> -
[[19:00:17] <Guest> -----
[[19:07:13] <thomas> It looks like we have an input sanitisation tester here :D
[[20:59:14] <VA2PTL> Hi! Anyone from Saguenay, Qc, Canada in here? Testing rnode + Pi on the roof tonight, just in case!
[[05:55:34] <gimz> slick app
[[07:59:48] <fr4nk> good morning people! :)
[[08:02:48] <thomas> Good day, CHAT ROOM!
[[08:14:13] <ik5fka> Buongiorno chatters!
[[08:15:21] <ik5fka> Qua vedo le date in UTC, è corretto?
[[08:17:13] <thomas> Correct, it's UTC time :)
[[08:20:41] <ik5fka> Ok thanks! Here in Italy there are 10:20 CEST..
[[12:16:05] <fr4nk> yes, uts, so i added the command: /time , to confront the server time with your local time!
[[12:18:30] <Guest> Terveisiä!
[[12:21:49] <thomas> @Guest Tervetuloa! :)
[[12:31:31] <Guest> :)
[[15:35:44] <fr4nk> hello!!!
[[16:22:19] <VA2PTL> Food for thought : For the moment, all nodes are connected to the TestNet (directly or through hops), which is great for getting people together and up to speed with the capabilities of the Reticulum Network Stack. However, it is a Test network... so this is why so many clients/nodes go up and down with various settings, potentially affecting the health of the mesh. What I'm saying is, basically, after some time, independent Reticulum networks may form, and maybe people will want to connect them together (or not) through a Main Network instead of the Test Network, and use the Test network for, well, testing. Would it be simpler to leave things as it is, and create a new test network not connected to anything else? Ah well, kinda defeats the whole purpose of not having a governing entity. Forget this. Or not? Thanks for reading.
[[17:14:02] <fr4nk> Hi VA! testnet is just a name to call experimental servers that may be up or down sometimes and used for tests. there are also user made servers on stable connections, like rmap, it'a server, call it test or not is the same. a reticulum server with transport enabled creates the "reticulum" between servers making them interconnected. maybe to make things more stable testnet servers could be excluded from the interfaces so excluding them from the transport...but it will exclude most users that know only the tcp servers found on the official rns pages. there is only one solution for stability: keep everything updated, everyone!
[[18:17:08] <CarL_PetErson> Really not an expert, but won't testservers have less and less impact on stability as the network grows overall?
[[18:30:16] <CarL_PetErson> But I have a other question about testing stuff and interconnectivity: is there some good way to test a reticulum lora network in the wild without risking the connection going trough a transport node, bypassing the lora network? Sure, if you "own" the nodes, you could use a virtual network, but if those nodes are not yours, you would have a problem right?
[[04:12:33] <Guest> 👋
[[04:12:42] <laptop> >"you would have a problem right?" They're all part of the same network so I don't think it would be, no.
[[08:48:58] <fr4nk> good morning chat!
[[12:34:07] <thomas> Hey everyone! Busy day today... @CarL_PetErson if you hit a lora node that has transport mode enabled, your packets will be sent through to any other interfaces that node has. To my knowledge, once your packet gets to the next hop there is no way to tell where it's going to go. If that still doesn't answer your questions, let me know if you want me to share with you my LXMF address so we can chat there :)
[[12:37:40] <CarL_PetErson> But being part of the same LoRa network won't guarantee that a message will stay on the LoRa network. Or is there a way to force reticulum on other nodes to only transmit messages over a certain kind of interface?
[[12:43:13] <CarL_PetErson> Ah, bad timing. Yeah, that answers it, thx :) ...Named and prassword protected networks would be next best thing, right?
[[13:07:28] <thomas> @CarL_PetErson maybe it's not necessary... at the end of the day, the traffic is encrypted and anonymous, so no one could trace it back to you nor decrypt it... unless I am missing something from your problem statement... if so, apologies. Maybe we can make real life examples to better unpack this? :)
[[13:20:07] <Guest> Yeah, that's probably a good idea :) ..I want to test a local LoRa network, to see if it would work even if the internet goes down. City A, B and C are in the Network and I would like to test a transmission from A to C over B and want to be sure that I test the LoRa Network and not some other connection over a transport node :)
[[13:23:15] <thomas> Got it... if A and C are connected to B via lora only, you can bet that the traffic from A to C will be on lora only. If either of them have any other interface and transport mode enabled, it depends on the setup. I believe you do not have direct control over the interface configuration for those nodes, but if you can at least get the confirmation of that you can assume what the behaviour can be based on that. I hope this helps!
[[15:42:36] <Guest> the whole network helps to find the destination routing, there is no way a lora message bypass the lora to fall on the tcp for example, if the destination is a lora node, reticulum construct the routing until the destination, maybe only the linkw between sender and destination could pass on other interfaces, if needed by the routing
[[19:21:01] <fr4nk> ╭(•⌣•)╮
[[19:21:33] <fr4nk> 👋👋👋
[[19:59:44] <Luke> buongiorno
[[13:48:11] <KLNG_MBL> hello!
[[13:48:27] <fr4nk> hi guys!
[[17:52:45] <Luke> gm
[[00:23:29] <laptop> So, anybody hosting a piratebox by any chance?
[[01:14:40] <Luke> What's a piratebox?
[[01:16:30] <laptop> offline local area network that you can set yourself with several devices, including raspberry pi's (ideally with onboard wifi) and it's anonymous, but it's an older project I doubt people even notice it now a days
[[01:24:30] <laptop> https://www.youtube.com/embed/WEGgUw34F1E
[[01:25:30] <laptop> I still think it's pretty neat.
[[01:34:18] <laptop> another video about it https://www.youtube.com/embed/HX8idlmoc-M
[[05:46:42] <fr4nk> good morning reticulum! :)
[[05:49:48] <fr4nk> i heard of piratebox some years ago..is still alive today? i'm waiting for a nano-pi neo, the cheapest cm for 8euro on amzn or less from china, with openwrt support, i will use for reticulum, but i could try pbox on this maybe
[[05:49:53] <laptop> gm
[[05:52:56] <laptop> I used to run mine on a raspberry pi zero w, but that only has 512MB of memory, and I was able to host many things, but I doubt it could have served more than 3-4 people, if that.
[[05:56:28] <laptop> And no they closed the project, but it still works fine, you can just set up WPA and harden it for hashcat attacks or whatever and it should be pretty safe, but it's mostly good for learning about html, css and such, since most ppl avoid using other peoples wifi.
[[06:06:42] <laptop> at least that was my experience, I would just leave it without a password and let people use it, but nobody ever did except me (not to my knowledge anyway)
[[06:29:28] <fr4nk> thanks for the info, yeah, it's better to not trust any open hotspot nowadays, it's so easy to hijack and sniff traffic, i think people are growing some awareness on that
[[06:31:59] <fr4nk> btw yesterday we had the first spam message here, i'll try to implement some message filtering today
[[06:35:20] <laptop> I see
[[08:15:39] <fr4nk> ok, some basic spam filters implemented :)
[[08:47:16] <laptop> great
[[11:02:34] <fr4nk> test
[[11:13:39] <thomas> @fr4nk that is great news!
[[11:14:36] <thomas> Hi everyone! Hope you are having a great Friday so far!
[[11:21:02] <fr4nk> hi thomas!! :)
[[13:05:32] <fr4nk> Latest Implementations in v1.3b: AntiSpam Filter and...Nickname persistency with binding nick to lxmf (Thanks to Thomas! 🙏 ❤️ 😎)
[[13:06:02] <fr4nk> To save your nickname (persistency across sessions), set your nickname and press the fingerprint button on MeshChat! To recover it on new sessions (only if it doesn't appear due to lost fingerprint) just press it again!
[[14:49:43] <thomas> Love it, well done for integrating it @fr4nk! That's super convenient!!!
[[15:29:56] <Guest> Had to use Meshchat to view this. It never loads properly on Nomadnet
[[16:06:08] <fr4nk> yes, it's created and optimized for meshchat, as you can read on top
[[17:15:03] <fr4nk> precisely for meshchat, in fullscreen window, at the moment
[[19:00:19] <KLNG_MBL> Hola!
[[19:06:11] <fr4nk> hola KLNG! :)
[[20:24:06] <VA2PTL> Well this is a test to see if my nickname persists after sending fingerprint.
[[20:36:06] <fr4nk> hi VA2PTL! yeah, it should, it will persist until meshchat cache is present 😉 when returning on the page, if meshchat cache is lost, due to a reboot for example, just press fingerpint again and your nickname reappears, it needs to be set only the first time!
[[20:40:44] <fr4nk> Good Night Reticulum! 👋 👋 👋
[[22:39:14] <Guest> Where it says powered by reticulum / nomadnet? Interesting...
[[01:38:15] <Luke> Nite Franky!
[[05:42:49] <Guest> good morning !
[[06:44:37] <Guest> Hello 🏙️ 👋 📺️ 🖥️ 💻 📱 ✨ ⚡ 🌐 📼 🏕️ 🫠 🎉 🎆 🍎 ✅ ⟶ 🚀 🎲 ☕ ☝ ⛶ 🌎 💾 📡 🥷 🧿 🛰
[[06:54:35] <fr4nk> Where it says powered by reticulum / nomadnet? Interesting...yes exactly!!!because is reticulum and nomadnet that permit to run this thing, and the page is optimized for meshchat, my dear guest!
[[06:54:58] <fr4nk> good morning!
[[06:56:55] <Doom> hello everybody :D
[[07:00:00] <laptop> eyy
[[08:59:53] <teapot> hey hey
[[09:00:32] <teapot> anyone got the firmware for flipper zero that was discussed on HN recently?
[[10:07:00] <thomas> Hey everyone! Rainy Cape Town today...
[[19:22:19] <fr4nk> have a great saturday night!
[[08:30:19] <fr4nk> ...and a great Sunday to everyone :)
[[10:59:47] <fr4nk> just discovered a very nice nomadnet search engine service, take a look: f3a6a73294416a6d9e75706bb9167c6c:/page/index.mu
[[11:28:20] <Guest> testing 1 2 3
[[11:29:38] <Guest> very nice!
[[12:25:05] <Frank> changing nick to get a better color. hope i'll like the result....
[[12:25:35] <Frank> ok, good, seems better :D
[[12:25:57] <Frank> how are you guys? hope it's all good! :))
[[14:02:44] <Poincare> Hi all
[[14:04:24] <Poincare> Now create a bridge between this service and a IRC chat client, so I can just use my regular IRC client ;-)
[[14:04:39] <Frank> hello Poincare!
[[14:06:04] <Frank> would be a nice idea, but it's not so easy to do :D
[[14:08:12] <Poincare> There are great minds on Reticulum, should be possible
[[14:11:11] <Poincare> Where is "the fingerprint button on MeshChat"?
[[14:14:20] <Frank> on top - right of the page, just above the address bar, its a fingerprint image (implemented in latest version, so need to have an updated client)
[[14:16:31] <Guest> I'm on MeshChat v2.1.0
[[14:17:07] <Poincare> I'm on MeshChat v2.1.0
[[14:18:21] <Frank> MeshChat v2.2.1 here, maybe in your version it was not yet implemented if you don't see it
[[14:19:48] <Poincare> Let's see if I still know how to compile it (running headless in a container)
[[14:20:08] <Frank> yeah, i confirm, it was implemented from the v2.2.0 -> https://github.com/liamcottle/reticulum-meshchat/releases
[[16:07:23] <Poincare> Let's try that fingerprint....
[[18:05:49] <Guest> hi
[[18:14:56] <Guest> anyone here?
[[18:26:59] <Guest> goodnight!
[[18:58:43] <laptop> Yes.
[[19:25:06] <Frank> hi lap!
[[19:47:27] <laptop> Hey man
[[20:54:36] <Frank> goodnight guys!!
[[08:19:37] <Frank> Test received, good morning!
[[11:53:12] <Frank> now you can send random emoticons with the /e command:
[[11:53:19] <Frank> 🧨 🔮 🧹 🧊 🧃 🧁 🧀
[[11:53:37] <Frank> and colored messages using the /c command:
[[11:54:06] <Frank> this is a colored message demo!
[[11:55:14] <Frank> FFdigit: "/help" to get extended commands info!
[[13:05:24] <thomas> that looks like fun, thanks Frank!
[[13:05:39] <thomas> 🧑🔧 🧑🏭 🧑💼 🧑🔬 🧑🚒
[[13:13:43] <frank> hi thomas! ahah thank you, implementing new things soon :)
[[13:45:26] <frank> ✅ ❌ ⚠️ ❗ ❓ ⁉️ 🔥 💯 🆗 🆘
[[15:26:27] <thomas> 🌸 🌼 🌻 🌺 🌷 🌹 🪻 🪷 🪴 🌱
[[16:17:21] <Guest> hello hello
[[16:34:39] <Guest> Hi, nice to meet you
[[16:38:35] <Frank> hello!
[[16:39:33] <laptop> 🤔 🤨 🧐 🤓 😎 🤠 🤡 🥸 🤥 🤫
[[16:40:03] <laptop> Oh I see
[[16:43:04] <Frank> FFadding a bit of joy lol :'D
[[16:43:10] <Elch> Hi togehter
[[16:44:03] <Guest> hey welcome
[[16:45:16] <laptop> So are you guys using rnodes?
[[16:47:17] <frank> yes @laptop generally speaking, if you mean now, i'm not
[[16:49:32] <laptop> color test
[[16:53:05] <laptop> I'm running 2 of them, only testing them now and then, I'm getting good results with sf/7 cr/5
[[16:56:23] <laptop> But I think I'll leave them at sf/8 for now
[[16:59:32] <frank> what module do you have? i have 3 heltec v3, my base setting is BW125 or 250, SF10, CR5, TXP21, i'm in a difficult zone for line of sight so i try to use setting that improves the range sacrificing bitrate
[[17:04:49] <laptop> Same, heltec v3's. My area is full of houses and trees, I've only been able to test them up to 650 yards maybe? Like 0.59436 km or less.
[[17:06:00] <laptop> At ground level.
[[17:08:03] <frank> i think we have a similar situation (city center) , my record is 2km, but only on specific spot where i reach my home node, normal range is only max 400mt near my house :/
[[17:08:21] <laptop> I want to see how much distance I can get with a spreadingfactor of 7, but I have to find the right test conditions.
[[17:08:50] <frank> with less than SF10 i cannot reach that "visible" spot
[[17:09:48] <frank> yeah, the secret is the antenna visibility, if you have it, lora has a good range even at low setting
[[17:10:29] <frank> but with obstacles in the middle life is difficult! :D
[[17:15:02] <laptop> The antenna size and how flat the land is changes things, I tested with both the tiny standard antennas and a set of larger ones I decided to purchase. Someone used a 10dbi muziworks one and got 62 miles at 4000 feet up, that's very impressive.
[[17:20:04] <laptop> brb
[[17:25:15] <laptop> no nvm, bbl actually gotta shop for things
[[17:30:18] <frank> yeah, a good altitude is the second secret for lora connection, i know people that made 50km with the base antenna. i have 2 china antennas bought on amz with good reviews, they are just a bit better than the original, from 1.5 km i can reach now 2km, just little improvement
[[17:34:38] <frank> i go, see you next time, bye!!
[[17:53:00] <Guest> 🧑🎤 🧑🏭 🧑🔧 🧑💼 🧑⚖️
[[17:53:10] <Guest> 🧑🎨 🧑🍳 🧑🌾 🧑⚖️ 🧑✈️
[[17:53:21] <Guest> 🚗 🚕 🚙 🚌 🚎 🚓 🚑 🚒 🚐 🚚
[[05:11:37] <thomas> Good morning / afternoon / evening / night 👋😎
[[05:12:23] <thomas> 🤖 🛸 🚀 🧠 🧬 🧑💻 🧑🔬 🧑🚀 🧑🎤 🧑🏭
[[06:16:15] <alex> hello from georgia
[[06:54:29] <thomas> FFHey Alex!
[[06:54:54] <Frank> good morning @thomas! welcome alex! :)
[[06:56:22] <Frank> 😀 😃 😄 😁 😆 😅 😂 🤣 😊 😇 🙂
[[06:58:17] <Frank> new commands idea this morning: /re nickname (reply to user) and @nickname (nickname higlight in a message)
[[07:00:39] <Frank> and: adaptive displayed messages to avoid ui deformation...let's work! :D
[[07:51:57] <Frank> adaptive ui probably done, let's test it when new messages arrives :D
[[07:53:00] <Frank> ...and... now it's coffe time! see you later! :D
[[07:53:13] <Frank> 🧑🔧 🧑🏭 🧑💼 🧑🔬 🧑🚒
[[08:22:26] <thomas> 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
[[08:23:05] <thomas> Just had coffee too! ☕️
[[10:23:34] <Frank> oh yesss very good @thomas (testing the @nickname highlight) :)
[[11:09:14] <thomas> I had another one just now... I love the nickname highlighting, @Frank!
[[11:25:49] <Frank> 2 coffee is better than one! $e -> all new commands in list with /cmd $e $e
[[11:26:25] <Frank> oh i forget to mention @thomas $e
[[11:27:55] <thomas> Absolutely! ☕️ ☕️ ⚡️ 😎 Great stuff, @Frank, this chat is looking neater and neater 🚀
[[11:30:47] <thomas> @Frank I think that, when you print the cmd, the last command about the random emoji is unclear because the script randomizes the trigger emoji too! So you always get a different one and cannot tell which one that is 🤓 😂
[[11:36:21] <Frank> yeah @thomas , at the moment is printed on rendering so it takes a new emojis on reload, also now i'm dealing to exclude the System user from the substitution so nothing will be triggered on the help lines $e $e $e
[[11:38:47] <thomas> @Frank sounds like a solid plan, thanks!
[[11:41:52] <Frank> @thomas it's done! $e ...and now its food time!!! $e $e
[[11:43:34] <Frank> buon appetito a tutti! $e $e $e
[[11:47:16] <thomas> @Frank Enjoy! $e
[[11:47:57] <thomas> @Frank ...and thanks for the fix! ;)
[[12:45:48] <CarL_PetErson> Great work!
[[12:49:05] <frank> hi @CarL_PetErson !! thank you!!! improving the code day by day :)
[[13:37:49] <System> Frank is away. Status: rest time! brb!
[[13:38:45] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: check new commands with /cmd
[[13:51:57] <System> thomas is away. Status: nice one @frank! chat later :d
[[13:53:09] <thomas> (it made the status lowercase lol it seems, but it's alright, I was just testing...)
[[13:53:59] <System> thomas is leaving The Chat Room! Message: getting back to work... chat later!
[[16:21:14] <System> Frank has joined The Chat Room! Message: i'm back! someone here?
[[16:21:27] <Frank> ✅ ❌ ⚠️ ❗ ❓ ⁉️ 🔥 💯 🆗 🆘
[[16:35:08] <Guest> When chat room open source ?
[[16:36:18] <Frank> when you start to use a nickname and fingerprint function $e $e $e
[[16:37:07] <Frank> just joking, @guest , when the code will be complete and ready to be published $e
[[16:38:43] <Frank> but if i see no traffic here, i'll keep for myself ahahah $e $e $e
[[17:07:55] <System> Frank is away. (Status: improving code!)
[[18:17:02] <System> Frank is leaving The Chat Room! Message: dinner time!
[[18:46:51] <System> Frank is back! finish!
[[18:47:36] <Frank> hello hello, anyone connected?
[[19:00:36] <laptop> I am.
[[19:02:40] <Frank> hi @laptop !!
[[19:02:58] <Frank> how are you?
[[19:03:43] <laptop> hey
[[19:04:27] <laptop> Alright, not much going on here.
[[19:04:43] <Frank> i feel like i'm back in time with this chat $e $e $e
[[19:08:03] <laptop> I'm looking at one of these- https://www.ebay.com/itm/317110316159
[[19:08:39] <laptop> someday I may need one,to power an rnode, or raspberry pi.
[[19:11:25] <Frank> for solar?
[[19:13:20] <laptop> A solar setup, yes. But for now, just browsing. I have 2 12v batteries (not sure if they work).
[[19:17:45] <laptop> one of them is a tiny 1.2ah 12v, I'm wondering how much time I can get out of that with a heltec v3
[[19:19:17] <Frank> mhh i have an usb tool that measures electrical consumption, if i remember h.v3 is about 250 / 300 mah
[[19:20:07] <Frank> if i can find it on my desk i try and tell you live....
[[19:22:03] <laptop> Maybe if I remove the display it will consume less
[[19:24:06] <Frank> will it work witout display?
[[19:24:38] <Guest> 15W out of that ebay converter looks a bit too optimistic to me.
[[19:24:58] <Frank> found the tool, connected the heltec v3, in standby (no reticulum connected) i get 0.15A at the momnt
[[19:25:25] <Poincare> hmm, do I just have to hit fingerprint to save my nick?
[[19:25:34] <laptop> Not sure, gotta research, but I don't see why not, the only thing I really need is the LED insicator, if BLE is on, I'll see it on my phone.
[[19:25:53] <laptop> indicator*
[[19:26:19] <Frank> another screen of the tool says: 00022mah
[[19:27:08] <Poincare> 00022mAH will be how much it consumed since switching it on?
[[19:27:54] <Frank> hi @Poincare , yes, press it and will be saved, if the first time you get a Guest_xxx name, set it again and refresh the page using the reload button near the nick, and its done
[[19:28:21] <Poincare> I did hit that fingerprint yesterday of day before
[[19:29:00] <Frank> next time you come here, if meshchat has lost cache info (due to reboot, closure or other things) just press again and the nick will automatically appear
[[19:29:39] <Poincare> I did switch to another computer, but still using the same mehschat instance (headless).
[[19:32:02] <Frank> if the lxmf is the same you will have the same nick (nick is bind with lxmf address on fingerprint press)
[[19:32:35] <Frank> @poincare just checked the server side, yes now your nick is saved!!
[[19:32:59] <Poincare> Maybe I restarted the Meshchat server and forgot about it :-/
[[19:33:52] <Frank> no problem, now it should be fixed
[[19:34:30] <laptop> SO about 54.5 hours or maybe I'm calculating wrong. 1.2Ah is 1200mAh
[[19:34:40] <laptop> Not great with math
[[19:35:15] <laptop> is it 1200 divided by 22?
[[19:36:16] <Poincare> @laptop what numbers are you using?
[[19:36:21] <Frank> @laptop i reset the usb tool, i'll check the consumption per hour, i'll update here the total mah consumed
[[19:36:45] <laptop> Eh, whatever, as long as it can run 24h and the solar panel is getting what it needs.
[[19:37:17] <laptop> 22mAh is what Frank says his unit is consuming, so I divided by that
[[19:37:54] <Frank> is it 1200 divided by 22? or 220? i don't know if that 00022 was really 22mah, this chinese tester is strange :D
[[19:38:56] <Poincare> 1.2Ah@12V = 14.4Wh , At 5V you will get 2.88Ah out of it, at 0.15A that is 19.2h max (did not compensate for losses).
[[19:39:20] <Frank> lets wait 1 hour with rnode in standby to see the real consumption, now in 4 minutes it consumed 54mah
[[19:39:28] <laptop> well, I can always try it on the field someday and find out, no big deal
[[19:40:18] <laptop> Alright Poincare, good to know
[[19:42:08] <laptop> That's more than enough, as it charges it should be sufficient for an overnight drain
[[19:42:50] <Frank> @Poincare how to convert mWh to mAh?
[[19:44:29] <Frank> @laptop i used a solar powerbank of 27000mah, it was winter, the rode stayed alive for 4 days
[[19:44:42] <Poincare> @Frank: need to know the voltage
[[19:45:03] <Frank> the rnode i mean $e
[[19:45:38] <Poincare> mAh @ V to mWh => mAh * V
[[19:45:57] <Frank> usb, 5v, (precisely 4.7 measured)
[[19:46:30] <Poincare> so mAh = mWh / V
[[19:48:06] <Frank> i'm measuring 0.74w of consumption at 0.15a , 4.97V , total until now: 00159mwh
[[19:48:31] <laptop> If that one doesn't work, I have a backup 7AH 12v, but like I said maybe they no longer work, they're both from an old ADT system.
[[19:48:34] <Frank> perfect, thanks @Poincare !!!
[[19:49:56] <Poincare> 0.74W is not consumption, it's power!
[[19:50:43] <Frank> @laptop i also have a couple of them, under my desk right now, exausted, they last 1 or max 2 years!!
[[19:51:34] <laptop> My dreams, shattered, but thankfully eBay is real.
[[19:51:44] <laptop> heh
[[19:51:45] <Frank> yeah power, sorry :D
[[19:53:42] <laptop> Maybe they'll last longer since these devices don't really consume much, but if 2 years is standard, that's a typical battery life anyway.
[[19:53:52] <Poincare> Also it's capital W because it's derived from a person's name, as V(olta) and A(mpere).
[[19:53:52] <Frank> ok guys, i leave a bit, it was a pleasure, see you soon!!
[[19:54:27] <Frank> yeah Alan Watts, right? $e $e $e
[[19:54:30] <laptop> car batteries anyway
[[19:54:53] <Frank> just joking $e
[[19:54:58] <laptop> later
[[19:55:45] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: goodnight guys! see you tomorrow!!
[[19:59:38] <JC> @laptop I have couple of PSR 53-7 by Melcher but I wouldn't used them on solar powered systems. I'm contemplating rather using this 6V 10Ah battery I have as dropping the voltage down to some ~5V wastes much less current.
[[20:01:02] <laptop> Well, option B is simply sticking a lithium power bank in there, that'll go years anyway.
[[20:05:20] <JC> Lithium batteries can't be efficiently charged if the temperature drops below freezing, hence the one I'm contemplating on using it lead jelly one.
[[20:08:28] <laptop> Go for it I guess, we don't go below freezing here -South Florida.
[[20:09:06] <laptop> We have the opposite problem, heat and humidity.
[[20:09:27] <JC> Lucky you.
[[20:10:25] <JC> Well, there's been quite enough of that lately. Humidity makes the heat quite unbearable.
[[20:11:30] <laptop> But that means any unit outside that isn't under shade overheats easier, so I slap a chunk of aluminum behind the heltec v3, also keeping them inside of cases without proper ventilation isn't great.
[[20:12:44] <Guest> Especially if you device to increase the tx power, at least that seems to be the case in my tests.
[[20:13:25] <laptop> you decide* sorry
[[20:14:29] <laptop> double sided tape works great for keeping the aluminum on
[[20:17:15] <laptop> that 3M double sided foam type mounting tape
[[20:19:32] <JC> I recall seeing some DIY instructions of using old plastic plates and making a hole in the middle of them to hold, in that case some temperature measuring equipment, and attaching them from three points with screws and standoffs and it ended up looking really professional. The standoffs between the plates allow wind to blow between them and cool down the equipment, but at the same time the plates cover it from rain.
[[20:26:33] <laptop> I'd be content with a mini USB computer fan in one of those junction boxes, maybe cut some slits underneath the box to vent.
[[20:27:40] <laptop> they even have a double usb 12v to 5v converter..that could be used for that very purpose...they even have batteries with usb plugs now.
[[20:28:06] <laptop> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225752290762
[[20:37:15] <laptop> Hmm, well I'm off for now, later
[[20:41:53] <JC> I'd save that double USB converter for two radios; one for the 433 MHz band and the other for 868 MHz. (Region 1 here)
[[20:45:31] <Frank> hi guys, a fast update on the heltec v3 consumption: 831mWh in 1h06min, in standby mode (not connected to reticulum, only usb powered, not transmitting), do your calcs, mah counter is not measuring, i dont remember how this china gadget works $e Good Night!!!
[[20:47:02] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: good night!
[[20:54:48] <JC> I think all Heltec use ESP32. Using nRF52 would save power a lot.
[[00:56:43] <Guest> testtest
[[00:57:45] <Guest_82bb> How do you reset the identity thing? I accidentally pressed it while I'm a guest. It's Luke here
[[04:41:45] <thomas> Hey @Guest_82bb (Luke), the chat simply mapped your address to give you a consistent nickname. The mapping can be removed manually by the admin, otherwise the identity linking will go away at the next deployment / restart of the chat room node. Let @Frank know what you would like to do and I am sure he will assist you whenever he can!
[[06:04:33] <laptop> Can't bring the sf and cr to 5/5 on Sideband, anybody else have that problem? Perhaps one of you knows a workaround or a specific prerequisite(?)
[[06:07:18] <laptop> My bad, just the sspreadingfactor to 5, not the codingrate. Condingrate is fine.
[[07:18:48] <System> Frank has joined The Chat Room! Message: good morning chat!
[[07:20:08] <Frank> Hi Luke! @Guest_82bb , just set your new nickname (Luke) in the left field and press the reload icon to save it!
[[07:24:51] <Frank> hi @laptop ! the minimun SF is 7
[[07:25:04] <Frank> take a look here: https://reticulum.betweentheborders.com/articles/2022_05_05_understanding-lora-parameters.html
[[07:36:42] <System> Frank is away. (Status: busy! brb!)
[[08:34:17] <System> Frank is back! heyyy
[[09:13:31] <thomas> Hey everyone! Busy day at work today, so I won't be super active for a few hours... It's a bit of a partly cloudy day in Cape Town, sitting in the garden with the laptop and catching some sunbeams 🌤️
[[11:53:45] <System> Frank is leaving The Chat Room! Message: lunch time!
[[11:56:51] <Cla> Buon pomeriggio oggi fa calduccio
[[12:14:19] <Frank> ciao @Cla !!! anche qui, non si respira uff! $e $e $e
[[12:53:50] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: see you later!
[[15:59:03] <Claudio> Test invio
[[16:00:56] <System> Frank has joined The Chat Room! Message: i'm back!
[[16:01:12] <Frank> ciao @Claudio !! test ricevuto!
[[16:06:13] <Frank> hello guys, someone here? $e $e $e
[[16:15:34] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[16:31:20] <laptop> I could have sworn I saw Simon P. on yt suggest 5/5 was possible, well, at least it seems 4.5 is possible.
[[16:31:37] <laptop> Perhaps on different equipment...
[[16:32:26] <laptop> 4.5 condingrate
[[16:36:11] <laptop> testing that as well and no, can't do it on sideband
[[16:36:31] <Frank> yeah you right, i was tired yesterday :D these parameters are lora standards dependent, on whataver module you use, lora works this way. SF is from 5 to 12, CR is from 5 to 8 (or extended 4/5 4/6 etc)
[[16:36:42] <laptop> lowest is sf7 cr5
[[16:38:01] <Frank> just look at meshchat settings when you add a rnode interface, you can learn all the possible parameters and there is also a calculator to simulate the result of your parameters
[[16:38:06] <laptop> I leave the sf at 8 for now
[[16:39:43] <Frank> maybe is a sideband limitation, don't know, never used SF so low, i want distance, my minimum has never gone under 8
[[16:42:43] <laptop> I tried it with sf 7 and it works great, faster even, but it does shorten the reach, they say.
[[16:44:44] <Frank> yes, every parameter affects what you want to obtain, low sf more bitrate but less distance, higher sf longest distance sacrificing bitrate, check the semtech guide for all the effect of any parameter
[[16:44:58] <Frank> if i find the link i send it here
[[16:47:32] <laptop> I dunno how much shorter the reach is however...I need to know, because these new antennas may still do a great job.
[[16:49:07] <Frank> https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/docs/lorawan/spreading-factors/
[[16:54:36] <laptop> So that's as looow as it's gonna go.
[[16:56:53] <Frank> i am in a city, with sf8 i go only 300mt from home, with sf10 or even better 11 i can reach 2km, with low bitrate so transfer is slow, but for messages only there is no problem
[[16:57:16] <Frank> my record is 2km :D $e $e $e
[[16:58:12] <Frank> in a place full of obstacles, hills and mountains
[[16:58:47] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: later!
[[17:56:08] <laptop> test
[[19:40:32] <thomas> Hey everyone! In case anyone here uses Meshtastic, you can have a look at this: https://github.com/neoemit/meshgram
[[19:41:02] <thomas> It's a simple Meshtastic ↔ Telegram bridge... can be useful for some use cases ;)
[[19:53:16] <Guest_82bb> nice
[[20:18:26] <JC> @Frank, I'm curious; what's with that word wrap? I mean some seem to able to send long lines getting wrapped but other get their message cut down to next line. Or is it because the use of actual punctuation?
[[20:18:59] <Frank> @Guest_82bb set your nick on tha bottom left and click the blue button to save!
[[20:19:46] <Frank> nice project @thomas
[[20:20:04] <JC> Or maybe it depends on was I checking the last 100 lines or the current 25 line view.
[[20:20:24] <0xLuke13> Got it @Frank ! Thanks :-]
[[20:21:33] <JC> Correction, 22 lines.
[[20:22:00] <0xLuke13> @Frank should I press the fingerprint icon to save? I'm on meshchat.
[[20:22:04] <Frank> hi @JC , the python part split the text after 105 characters and render a new line with the same nickname, otherwise you get a line without the nick on too long messages and deforms the whole UI page
[[20:23:21] <Frank> @0xLuke13 you already pressed it, only needed the first time, after it you get the Guet_xxxx nickname, change it and will stay saved
[[20:24:08] <Frank> from now on, you have to press it only if the nickname is forgotten (missing meshchat cache)
[[20:24:22] <Frank> its a sort of autologin
[[20:24:24] <JC> Ah, okay. Thanks.
[[20:25:22] <Frank> just to avoid reinserting the nickname manually everytime you enter
[[20:25:32] <JC> Here's the Lora parameter calculator page; https://unsigned.io/articles/2022_05_05_understanding-lora-parameters.html
[[20:25:59] <0xLuke13> @Frank grazie
[[20:27:13] <JC> Oh, It's the same content as on that URL posted earlier. o.o
[[20:27:37] <Frank> @JC the "On Screen Messages: (22)" is variable, automatically calculated based on visualized messages, to fit the page without going out (needs some logic perfection but it's almost working fine $e)
[[20:28:50] <Frank> it's not easy to create a fixed page using this micron & python combo, it's a bit of pain in the axe :D
[[20:29:24] <Frank> i'm dreaming of an html interpreter :D $e $e $e
[[20:30:26] <JC> On my meshchat there's a blank block below the chat room window, but better that way than needing to scroll the page up and down.
[[20:30:41] <Frank> ( i know, they used micron for low data traffic considering all the low bandwidth interfaces)
[[20:31:53] <Frank> yeah scrolling its a bit irritating so i tried to fix the page
[[20:32:49] <Frank> a blank block @JC ? you mean at the bottom of the page, after the "menubar" ?
[[20:33:29] <Frank> ok now its shortened a bit on my screen also
[[20:34:06] <JC> Quite frankly (duh) I don't see any sense in reinventing the wheel with yet another page rendering code - there's a reason why micron was created the way it is, namely to save the bandwidth. As always one needs to move at the pace of the slowest unit.
[[20:34:12] <Frank> tomorrow i'll try to improve this function!!
[[20:36:01] <JC> After the line listing the commands and below that the total messages etc.
[[20:36:21] <Frank> yeah, but imagine an html page here, same few kb and better ui manipulation and creation, but it's ok, nomadnet is this :)
[[20:36:59] <JC> ..After all we already have converter for MarkDown to micron; https://github.com/randogoth/md2mu
[[20:37:34] <Frank> got it @JC , tnx, i'll try to fix and make the page stay locked in place
[[20:38:55] <JC> Yeah, no complaints, rather praise that the UI fits the screen without scrolling,
[[20:43:06] <JC> Besides, this chat is ten times better than the clumsy solutions where you message some lxmf address with your message and then switch to NomadNet to see it printed on a page of another lxmf address.
[[20:44:59] <Frank> i'll try, the idea was already this, but need to improve the logic to show fixed numbers of messages, even if they are split (now the split msgs are considered 1 msg, i need some code that will count the effective lines output and limit it on reaching the full screen)
[[20:45:48] <Frank> yeah i understand, the messageboards stuff...
[[20:46:56] <Frank> ok guys, i go, speak you soon!!!
[[20:47:37] <JC> Hmm, yeah, on the ncurse NomadNet there's actually terminal on which it renders the UI but on a window running in the browser it's a completely different situation,
[[20:47:43] <System> Frank is leaving The Chat Room! Message: good night, reticulum chat friends! :)
[[20:48:16] <JC> Good night, sweet dreams, Frank.
[[20:49:08] <Frank> byeee, tnx, to you all also!! $e $e $e
[[01:27:27] <laptop> An html interpreter is an idea, but I'd be content with a way to display low quality images within micron itself, it's definitely a limitation for me at the moment, since I wanna set up a proper gallery, atm it's technically just a name list. Maybe in the future we can figure out ways to speed up rnode data transfer.
[[08:29:53] <System> Frank has joined The Chat Room! Message: good morning!!!
[[11:55:25] <TheFarm> This is an interesting format, cool I like it
[[12:00:44] <TheFarm> I would be interested in implementing it instead of the LXMF board
[[16:12:54] <Frank> hello chat! :)
[[16:13:45] <Frank> hi @TheFarm , welcome!! :)
[[16:16:13] <Frank> i hope to release it soon, the script is solid now but needs many adjustements before publishing
[[16:21:00] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[16:39:53] <TheFarm> Cool , we will be waiting :)
[[17:19:18] <ik5fka> Hello, world!
[[17:21:14] <alexey> hi, is there source code of this chat board?
[[18:01:12] <thomas> @alexey just read a few message above :)
[[18:01:52] <thomas> Hey @ik5fka!
[[19:10:40] <JC> @laptop Would you please elaborate? Do you mean rendering some jpg/png into ansi/ascii or what?
[[19:12:23] <JC> Incidentally I think Graphviz DOT might be excellent for various diagrams, perhaps even further compressed like when transferred with rncp.
[[19:17:20] <JC> Okay, I'm going to spam a few Graphviz related links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_(graph_description_language) ; https://github.com/dbt4u/awesome-graphviz ; https://graphs.grevian.org/ ; https://sketchviz.com/new
[[22:02:06] <JC> Let's see...
[[22:02:15] <JC> I guess it depends much on what do you mean by low quality image; is it like in Teletext with its 24x40 screen and character based pictures. But what does it have to do with micron in the first place. Take a look at Linux caca-tools and cacaview especially; it renders image onto terminal using ASCII and ANSI codes and it can even zoom the picture. It is more of a question what do you use as the UI; is it graphical like browser based meshchat or are you using it on a terminal as with nomadnet. It has very little to do with micron itself, though of course you could use micron codes to render the picture on a terminal, but when you have a graphical UI you may just as well use it to render the image graphically the traditional way.
[[23:46:59] <laptop> I do that in my rnode page, but to achieve detail you need to resize it very small, perhaps if it resized itself as an independent element, I dunno. Haven't though about it too much.
[[06:56:25] <System> Frank has joined The Chat Room!
[[06:56:38] <Frank> Good Morning & Happy Mid-August!
[[06:59:26] <Frank> Buon Ferragosto Reticulum!!!
[[06:59:51] <Frank> $e $e $e $e $e $e $e $e $e $e
[[08:53:44] <Doom> Good morning !
[[08:55:25] <Guest> Buon FERRAGOSTO a tutti
[[08:58:49] <Guest> Avete acceso il fuoco per fare le costine ecc..😉
[[09:00:48] <Guest> Tutti impegnati👍
[[09:45:33] <Frank> ciao @Guest , io oggi a base di pesce, vongole e cozze, abbiamo arrostito ieri :D
[[10:43:23] <TheFarm> Good Morning Frank!
[[10:45:32] <TheFarm> The Farm has added an I2P interface : tatbihuacxvkqmsvcgkvpkvk2rlt5jvzqflyn64n4cmtgydajmxq.b32.i2p
[[10:46:39] <TheFarm> Our node runs behind Starlink CGNAT, I2P will always get you there.
[[13:32:26] <ConqueringTheism> I've added the new I2P interface to "The Farm"
[[14:09:13] <AnonymousPeer> Nice chat !
[[16:05:10] <Frank> hello @TheFarm , great!! hi @ConqueringTheism , hi @AnonymousPeer $e $e $e
[[16:07:18] <Frank> @TheFarm you can share it on https://rmap.world if you want!! (all interface type supported, including i2p!)
[[20:38:35] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: good night!!
[[06:09:48] <System> Frank has joined The Chat Room!
[[07:11:06] <Cla> Buongiorno Chat
[[08:23:22] <Frank> ciao cla!buongiorno!!!
[[10:32:38] <System> Frank is away.
[[10:50:43] <System> Syntax error
[[13:59:59] <Zen> Gmorning from Indiana
[[14:05:52] <Guest> Hello @Zen
[[14:39:49] <Zen> Hey *waves*
[[15:21:43] <thomas> Hope everybody is having a great Saturday! 😎
[[15:45:34] <Frank> hello chat! :)
[[15:56:03] <thomas> Hey @Frank!
[[16:04:09] <Frank> ciao @thomas :)
[[16:05:16] <Frank> ferragosto continua....stasera altra braciata da amici ':D
[[16:15:44] <thomas> Fantastico! Godetevela... 🍖 🤤 🍻
[[16:34:21] <Frank> e grazie thom!!si parte!!! a più tardi chat!! (o forse più "a domani"...:D)
[[16:34:38] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! Message: braciata time!
[[17:25:14] <laptop> https://www.solitairebliss.com/dominoes
[[17:25:45] <laptop> dominoes, Block > Hard > 100, my setup, it's pretty good.
[[20:54:24] <TheFarm> @ConqueringTheism thanks, let me know if you have connection issues!
[[20:55:09] <TheFarm> @Frank, thanks I may add it with a spoofed location :)
[[09:00:03] <Guest> hello Reticulum! @TheFarm yes no problem, location accuracy is only required for LoRa to help others discover your radio node, other node types can be approssimated or just put in the sea if you want :D
[[09:00:46] <Frank> this was Frank after the saturday forgetting to press fingerprint button :D
[[12:27:13] <TheFarm> lol yes I figured that out Frank :)
[[15:46:27] <Frank> 💕 💞 💓 💗 💖 💘 💝 💟 ❣️ 💌
[[17:00:20] <JC> @Frank You need to seriously start considering the publishing of this chat soon(er) as it's getting more and more attractive compared to the plain passive micron pages others have set up. *g*
[[19:45:13] <TheFarm> @JC Agreed, this is a much more friendly and attractive format!
[[07:10:23] <thomas> I absolutely agree! @Frank really did an amazing job with this chat!
[[07:16:58] <Frank> Good Morning Guys!! Thanks, i'll try to speed up things if i can!and thanks to @thomas who discovered how to reover the fingerprint in python!! :)
[[07:44:54] <Frank> *recover
[[08:32:16] <Guest> i'm curious, is there anybody who use RNS because of real issues with internet?
[[09:28:16] <Guestxxx> the real issue is that anything is controlled and logged, so yes :D
[[11:18:27] <Guest> why it's an issue?
[[15:34:30] <Varx> If by "issues" you mean "connectivity issues" then I havent had to use reticulum for that YET. But the important part of any kind of backup or resilient network is to get used to using it BEFORE you need it. Much easier in an emergency situation if everyone already has their Rnodes up and running, and we've practives doing HF links. It's much easier to get friends/family to use reticulum when we're out camping far away from 5G cell service if we've used sideband to chat already. Much easier to avoid censorship from a an overzealous government if we've already been communicating about spicy politics via e2e mesh for every day boring stuff.
[[15:35:34] <Varx> *Much easier to avoid censorship of spicy politics if we're already used it for boring daily stuff
[[17:56:48] <TheFarm> @Varx well said! We practice / test VHF & HF and are just now looking at Rnode .
[[18:15:57] <JC> Already ages ago the Net was riddled with discreet/invisible links to doubleclick.{com,net} and what does Google go and do, buys them off -.- so no wonder tor-browser is my regular everyday browser nowadays, even if just to spite them. And all those poor idiots using Win10/11; there's no privacy anymore. The regular people can't even fathom all the ways the Net nowadays is spying on them. *smh*
[[18:22:37] <JC> There's all those 'urban legents' you hear; how somebody visited some place, even domestically, and now all their home computers is doing is showing ads about that place even though the home computers never was with them on their trip, and how that father was aghast how suddenly all the ads were showing things pertaining to maternity and hello, her teenage daughter turned out to be pregnant, before shew even knew herself. And it's all those algorithms running and shifting through all the mass information of our devices and social media.
[[18:42:26] <JC> s/legents/legends/
[[20:01:12] <gralexey> @Varx, could you please share more info on HF? aren't you concerned about the fact that seemingly it's forbidden to use encrypted link in most places (with reasonable tx power)? very interesting
[[21:56:00] <JC> Tadio amateurs can use HF unencrypted but when (not if?) the SHTF it's another situation. Besides, HF is not so easy to triangulate.
[[21:56:27] <JC> s/Tadio/Radio/
[[02:37:09] <Varx> ^ what @JC said. I'm just doing normal unencrypted HF stuff right now. But the important part is the practice. In an emergency situation, I'm figuring out how to get it working and will pay the price later.
[[02:50:33] <Varx> And I don't have anything working with HF right now, I'm still learning that and should probably work on getting my general license so I can do more than 10m legally. I *have* made contacts on uhf/vhf and done standard APRS via a KISS on a mobilinkd. And I verified that reticulum's KISS mode seemed to connect and attempted to transmit on the mobilinkd(didn't actually transmit. don't call the FCC on me). So if I *needed* to, I could establish a a VHF frequency with others and use it that way. (Or just use APRS if I don't need the encryption). It's all about options.
[[08:46:10] <thomas> @JC @Varx 100%
[[09:47:29] <TheFarm> I have found that the best method for me is to use VARA KISS on both VHF and HF .
[[09:50:20] <TheFarm> I've also used a Nino TNC with success. I could not get the Mobilinkd to work consistently, it kept breaking the connection . VARA works very well though .
[[11:04:52] <thomas> While I do not know much about radios, I would love to learn more and perhaps have some resources (on Nomad Network?) to learn about how to configure a radio to work as an interface over V/U/HF as I will be collaborating with my city's disaster management department and collaborate with people from HAMNET (National Emergency Communications division of the National Radio League) as consultant (mostly focusing on the software and LoRa side of things). I'd definitely need to up my game a bit in terms of any radio interface beyond LoRa...
[[11:54:06] <TheFarm> @thomas basically you can use KISS protocol for V/U/HF which does require a separate modem, whether it is a software modem like Direwolf or VARA or a hardware modem like the Nino terminal node controller (both ends of the connection require the same format of KISS and Direwolf and Nino are compatable but VARA only works with another VARA station. You won't find a ton of documentation on Reticulum over Amateur radio as it is encrypted and violates the rules . Check youtube for Reticulum HF and you will find a little.
[[12:20:40] <thomas> @TheFarm makes sense, thanks I'll look into that!
[[15:07:20] <Poincare> Hi there
[[17:27:50] <Guest> gg
[[18:10:06] <JC> Hmm, basically just look up how you can get the KISS to work over the radio. After all, it doesn't much differ whether you feed encrypted or unencrypted data over it.
[[18:13:48] <JC> @Thomas Maybe you should consider getting radio amateur licence.
[[18:21:32] <JC> Funny thing is, KISS is essentially the same as SLIP.
[[20:40:36] <thomas> @JC I thought about it, but I don't have the time nor the money to spend to do that... I'd rather help other licensed amateurs link their equipment to get the network up and running, I am happy with my little LoRa toys lol
[[05:25:36] <Cla> Buongiorno chat
[[12:04:17] <ik5fka> Buongiorno dopo un po' di tempo...
[[12:06:59] <ik5fka> ... no life here?
[[13:38:42] <thomas> @ik5fka Life is busy on my side, sadly... no time for "la dolce vita" xD
[[17:00:48] <Casca> Ciao ragazzi. Oggi finalmente son arrivato in chat fdopo una faticosa vacanza. Bel servizio Franky!
[[17:01:44] <Casca> /topics
[[01:25:01] <Guest> howdy :)
[[06:01:48] <thomas> Hey everyone!
[[16:45:44] <Frank> Hello chat!
[[16:52:20] <System> Frank is away. (Status: so busy! uff!)
[[19:30:00] <JC> When @Frank is away, the mice will play.
[[20:50:32] <TheFarm> Super quiet the last few days ....feels like a change is coming
[[20:51:01] <System> Frank is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D Message: @jc :d
[[20:52:01] <Frank> good night chat guys :)
[[20:52:57] <Frank> @TheFarm ;)
[[20:54:53] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! Message: good night!
[[07:30:05] <Cla> Buongiorno chat
[[07:40:44] <Frank> ciao @Cla buongiorno!!!
[[07:41:12] <Frank> good morning, Reticulum!
[[07:47:32] <thomas> Good morning / afternoon / evening everyone!
[[07:47:40] <thomas> FF#TGIF
[[07:58:12] <Frank> g.m. @Thomas !!
[[07:59:36] <thomas> @Frank Good morning! Are you cooking some new chat room feature behind the scenes? ;)
[[08:05:47] <Frank> there is some w.i.p but in the last days i did nothing :D (super busy i.r.l.)
[[08:33:50] <Guest> test test
[[08:35:13] <Guest> very nice
[[08:40:37] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room! Message: test
[[08:41:13] <Guest> it's mirc 2025
[[08:41:45] <Guest> 🎉 🥳 🎊 🎈 🎂 🍰 🧁 🎁 🎀 🪅
[[08:42:51] <Guest> where is the code available?
[[08:43:40] <Frank> hello @Guest , work in progress, soon on github, need to improve the code before publishing!!
[[08:46:58] <Frank> improved display limit logic just now....let's see if it works fine now, even on long messages , lets wait for @JC messages :D
[[08:53:44] <Frank> it seems working good now! $e $e $e
[[09:03:55] <Guest> 🎯 🧩 🃏 🎲 🧸 🪀
[[10:08] <Frank> test
[[10:09] <Frank> easier timestamp format...do you prefer this of the previous? let me know! :)
[[10:25] <thomas> @Frank new one is much better, thanks!
[[10:48] <Frank> perfect @thomas , feedback appreciated! let's keep this! :)
[[11:01:42] <System> Frank is away. (Status: roasting sausages!)
[[11:12:16] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[12:16] <thomas> @System needs to get the memo regarding the new timestamp format though... xD cc @Frank
[[12:36] <Frank> yes, correcting it soon!
[[12:37] <System> Frank is back! everyone!
[[12:45] <System> Frank has joined The Chat Room! Message: system timestamp test!
[[12:45] <Frank> @thomas done!
[[12:46] <System> Frank is away. (Status: nap time)
[[12:59] <Frank> see you later guys!
[[13:03] <thomas> @Frank thanks, legend!
[[13:09] <TheFarm> So posting a longer message just to push the limits a bit as I know Frank is working on updates and this might be one of them. So I am posting this paragraph to see how it behaves . Impatiently waiting for the code to be released :)
[[15:09] <System> Frank is back! cooking the code
[[15:11] <Frank> tnx @TheFarm your message was very useful to prove...that UI is keeping in place on long or short messages...It looks like the beast has been tamed! :D
[[15:13] <Frank> I'm really glad It's solved, champagne for everyone! (and I make a coffee :D)
[[17:23] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank Message: added /notice command!
[[17:31] <System> NOTICE FROM: Frank: started to implement admins commands
[[17:33] <System> frank is leaving The Chat Room! Message: it's dinner time!
[[18:00] <JC> @TheFarm @Frank Talking of which, it seems the screen dynamically changes to bigger if several users have entered many-lined dialogue. Read: need to scroll the screen, and not backwards toward the history, but forward instead.
[[18:02] <JC> I believe when I see it. ;) But at least before that few day lull with big blocks of text - I'm one to blame - it behaved liked that.
[[18:10] <JC> I suppose I should ruminate something very long-winded to see how the screen size behaves. How about typing in the unabridged War and Peace, I hear it's long. Looks like 1225, the first published version, according to Wikipedia.
[[18:11] <JC> 1225 pages, that is.
[[18:12] <JC> "The standard Russian text of War and Peace is divided into four volumes, comprising fifteen books, and an epilogue split into two parts." (Wikipedia)
[[18:40] <System> Frank is back! heyyyy
[[18:40] <Frank> @JC it seems the screen dynamically changes to bigger if several users have entered many-lined dialogue. this was yesterday! ;)
[[18:43] <Frank> FFlogic adjusted perfectly today! fear we not, of any novel :D
[[18:46] <Frank> no more scrolling baby :D
[[18:49] <Frank> 🧑🔧 🧑🏭 🧑💼 🧑🔬 🧑🚒
[[22:01] <laptop> For you amateur radio guys on here, you may wanna check out "Broadband Hamnet", it's worth researching, looks like a neat mesh network.
[[06:43] <Frank> Good Morning Chat!
[[07:07] <Frank> FFHave a Great Weekend Guys!
[[14:22] <yNos> This is pretty slick. Is there a github link for this chat room?
[[15:21] <Kraven> Hello all
[[15:22] <Kraven> @laptop Broadband Hamnet merged into Arden https://www.arednmesh.org/
[[16:37] <Frank> hello @yNos @Kraven
[[16:38] <Frank> @yNos it's coming soon on github!!
[[17:28] <Kraven> Hello Frank.
[[17:49] <JC> @laptop I did dug up my old WRT54G back then already but it seems it's already way beyond sunset. Plain OpenWRT/DDWRT distributions already have blown up with their Flash and RAM requirements far beyond and so seems to have the Hamnet too. And it seems most of the hype of that, with AREDN especially, is overseas in the Colonies and not here in the Old World.
[[19:24] <laptop> @JC You seem more up to date than me on the subject, my old wrt54gl is probably out in the shed somewhere...maybe..or gone pff, I don't have a callsign anyway so it was only for testing purposes.
[[21:52] <laptop> https://inv.nadeko.net/embed/afHvpDSPcus?t=29
[[21:58] <laptop> invidious.io link, youtube front-end
[[22:43] <JC> Hmm, not sure of the point in that video. It all left it without end. I wish I'd be as productive, though. Anyway, the flywheel reminded me, for little eternity I've been contemplating Stirling engines and how could they be used to generate power for, say, LoRa modules, and around the year too. Apparently some twenty degree diffence in temperature could already be turned into mechanical energy and further on, to electricity. So maybe one could turn the lawn cuttings from the summer into electricity in a compost heap during the winter.
[[22:48] <JC> s/diffence/difference/
[[06:44] <Frank> Good Morning Chat! Have a great Sunday!!!
[[07:17] <Frank> FFHave a great Sunday!!!
[[08:16] <ik5fka> Anche da me, buona domenica!
[[08:21] <Frank> grazie @ik5fka !!!
[[08:22] <System> METEO FROM Frank: Weather in roma: 26.0C, Partly cloudy
[[08:22] <ik5fka> In questo momento ancora in ferie... ;-)
[[08:23] <ik5fka> Pescocostanzo - AQ (JN71AV): Temp: 16.5C Hum: 57.0% Cloud Coverage: 0.0% Rain: 0.0 mm Wind: 0 Km/h Pressure MSL: 1017.3 hPa
[[08:23] <Frank> new command: /meteo <cityname> :)
[[08:24] <System> METEO REQUEST FROM Frank: Weather in pescocostanzo: 17.8C, Mainly clear
[[08:25] <ik5fka> ah ok non sapevo che c'era ache qua
[[08:25] <Frank> appena aggiunto :)
[[08:26] <Frank> ora lo inserisco nelle info /cmd
[[08:30] <System> METEO REQUEST FROM ik5fka: Weather in pescocostanzo: 18.0C, Mainly clear
[[08:31] <ik5fka> da quale sito prendi i dati? Io da open-weather
[[08:31] <Frank> open meteo che funziona senza api
[[08:32] <ik5fka> Il mio era un meteo che viene trasmesso in rete MeshCom
[[08:33] <ik5fka> ci darò un'occhiata. Quale indirizzo web?
[[08:33] <Frank> o meglio, senza essere registrati, il nome città viene convertito in posizione gps e viene fatta la richiesta al servizio openmeteo
[[08:34] <ik5fka> ok ti saluto x ora. Ogni tanto riappaio :-)
[[08:34] <Frank> https://api.open-meteo.com/v1/forecast?latitude={lat}&longitude={lon}¤t_weather=true
[[08:35] <Frank> un pò scomodo a mano, la richieta avviene con python dietro le quinte
[[08:35] <Frank> benissimo, a presto @ik5fka
[[08:37] <Frank> see you later guys, enjoy the /meteo :D
[[08:37] <System> METEO REQUEST FROM Frank: Weather in cape town: 14.2C, Partly cloudy
[[08:37] <System> Frank is away. (Status: see you later!)
[[10:04] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in firenze: 25.8C, Partly cloudy
[[10:38] <Meteo> Meteo Request from ik5fka: Weather in cesenatico: 24.8C, Partly cloudy
[[15:54] <thomas> The area where I stay in Cape Town has generally a very different weather compared to the city centre... Sun was pretty hot considering it's winter, and we actually had around 20C in the shade! Thanks for the weather feature, @Frank!
[[16:29] <Frank> hi thom!!! @thomas
[[16:29] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank: a good news is coming soon.....
[[16:33] <laptop> https://github.com/DayleDrinkwater/LXMF-WX-Bot
[[16:34] <laptop> Questo bot ha immagini satellitari.
[[16:35] <laptop> But you probably already knew that.
[[17:18] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank: the chat room! v1.45a release is ready!
[[17:19] <Frank> get it on: https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[17:25] <Frank> get it on: https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[17:25] <Frank> get it on: https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[17:25] <Frank> FFget it on: https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[17:25] <Frank> can i spam my own chat? :D
[[17:26] <laptop> Adding a link to it :)
[[17:26] <Frank> testing on another debian machine, it works! -> 3dc69c091fdb0976f02c19111a02b9e8:/page/index.mu
[[17:34] <Frank> And now... a pizza to celebrate the release, see you later! $e $e $e
[[17:34] <System> Frank is away. (Status: pizza time!)
[[17:37] <Frank> c u later!
[[17:41] <laptop> Thanks Frank!
[[18:20] <JC> Pff, and now everyone and their dog will have a chat like this and everyone will dissipate to their respective directions and soon this place is going to be a ghost town... -.-
[[18:30] <laptop> Nah, it's just a backup, you see most people turn their devices off and the micron sites go offline, this gives others the option of maintaining their own backup, in the event that the original goes down temporarily.
[[18:43] <Frank> many people asked to release it, so...
[[18:44] <Frank> of course The First & Original ChatRoom is this :D
[[18:46] <Frank> the release could be useful to create a personal private chat via lora or in a closed network also! in case of emergency you can deploy a chat group in few minutes!
[[19:52] <laptop> mhm
[[20:13] <Frank> its possible also to put in your nomad node to implement a chat, not necessarily should be the main page of a node
[[21:00] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: goodnight!
[[23:47] <JC> Ohmedog! I spotted my pedantic corrections of my typos on the screenshot imsge on github! %-O
[[23:47] <JC> s/imsge/image/ ;D
[[07:09] <Cla> Buongiorno0
[[07:11] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Cla: Weather in novara: 19.4C, Partly cloudy
[[08:10] <Frank> Buongiorno Chat! / Good Morning!
[[13:59] <Kraven> Good morning Mesh
[[17:10] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in moskow: 12.9C, Mainly clear
[[07:30] <laptop> Added an audio page 🎵
[[07:37] <Frank> good morning!
[[07:37] <Frank> @laptop audio page? where? how?
[[07:39] <laptop> 6b05715f72c994c837fd6b6431caa9cf:/page/audio.mu
[[07:59] <Frank> 👍👍👍
[[08:02] <Frank> did someone tested this? https://github.com/trindade99/FreeNetBrowser it seems very interesting but i cannot make page hosting work...
[[08:08] <Cla> Buongiorno
[[08:09] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Cla: Weather in novara: 22.1C, Mainly clear
[[08:25] <laptop> >tested not me
[[09:08] <laptop> bbl
[[13:03] <Guest> test
[[13:37] <Meteo> Meteo Request from thomas: Weather in cape town: 17.0C, Mainly clear
[[13:40] <thomas> What a great winter day in Cape Town today! I got my inverter batteries to 100% for the first time in a while... :D And spring is fast approaching, cannot wait!
[[15:57] <Frank> hi @thomas ! great! :))
[[18:26] <JC> @Frank Hmm, no, I haven't tried, and won't be trying till it's offered from Linux; I have no Windows computers, not to even mention Mac.
[[18:26] <JC> s/from/for/
[[18:55] <laptop> .
[[18:59] <JC> •
[[19:00] <JC> My dot is bigger than yours!
[[19:13] <JC> @laptop Soothing sounds, the longer ones, I just listened to them.
[[19:14] <JC> I'm waiting for some practical demonstration of LXST. By the way, that is.
[[19:40] <laptop> most streams on here are just mp3's for now it seems.
[[19:50] <laptop> Setting up a live one doesn't look too complicated..
[[19:53] <laptop> https://github.com/markqvist/lxst
[[19:54] <laptop> Probably better on a raspberry pi, a dedicated device.
[[19:55] <laptop> Or just an old laptop
[[20:17] <JC> The last I twiddled with any shoutcast/icecast/whatever server they had problem accepting, for instance ogg.
[[20:20] <JC> Actually, now that I think of it, meshchat support voice but I've never really got around to test it.
[[20:25] <JC> It seems to come with rnphone, lxst that is. I wonder if anyone has set up a echo chamber service with that to let people test it. There's Liam's EchoBot but as far as I know it's for text.
[[20:42] <laptop> there are examples on the lxst page, you can crank em up and see
[[20:46] <Frank> hey @laptop ...banging my head to create a streaming server with lxst, just today made some new trials...still nothing :D
[[20:49] <Frank> no success until now :/
[[20:49] <Frank> goodnight chat!!
[[21:16] <laptop> The mp3 solution isn't a bad idea really, imo.
[[05:37] <Frank> good morning!
[[05:40] <Frank> @laptop mp3's are ok, but its just file downloads not an audio stream, my idea is to create a sort of reticulum radio...i need to understand how lxst works
[[06:18] <laptop> Well, if you make any progress let me know. I've seen it done on raspberry pi's but really those are radio stations that play mp3's.
[[06:18] <laptop> those "radio throwies"
[[07:00] <laptop> not lxst of course
[[07:05] <Frank> creating a "classic" radio stream is easy, you can do it on raspy or whatever os you want, there are plenty of streaming servers out there, like the ones mentioned by @JC before, the idea here is to create a streaming server under reticulum using the lxst protocol
[[07:42] <laptop> off for now
[[08:04] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[11:39] <John> It's possible to recup this wanderful Chat program ??
[[11:42] <Frank> Hi @John ! i released it this sunday, digit /version to get the git link ;)
[[12:06] <Guest> Hello everyone!
[[12:06] <y9Kap> Salve a tutti
[[12:58] <John> Many thanks, I'll testing this ...
[[13:31] <Frank> salve a tutti, see you later!!!
[[17:23] <tomuk5> hi
[[17:24] <tomuk5> is there a defined frequency for Rnode in the UK or some RF co-ordination?
[[17:44] <Frank> hello @tomuk5 , take a look at rmap.world to see if you have some nodes near you
[[17:44] <Frank> https://rmap.world
[[17:46] <Frank> at the moment there are 4 rnodes in UK on rmap, i hope you can reach one of them!! maybe there are more, but they are not spotted on the map
[[18:47] <tomuk5> Cheers @Frank unfortunately im out of range of those, still working on the CE firmware to get full power on the E22 900M30S
[[18:53] <tomuk5> did list my RNS TCP server in DigitalOcean AMS DC though :)
[[19:11] <Frank> you can add also your tcp server on rmap if you want! :)
[[19:13] <Frank> ahh okk you already added it, sorry, i was lost in translation for a moment :D
[[19:15] <Frank> i use your server in my interfaces! (is it up right now? meshchat tells me Disconnected) :)
[[19:19] <JC> Wow, I'm already getting referred to here. %-o
[[19:32] <JC> -.-
[[19:33] <JC> @Frank Looks like your chat has me on spammer list just because I might be using a longer sentences... -.-
[[19:50] <laptop> ey all
[[20:17] <Frank> heyy
[[20:19] <Frank> @JC there is not a spam list, there is a spam filter in the sent messages, i need to make it less strict, i was blocked too sometimes :D it's not for the message lenght, just the words contained that triggers the antispam...the one that cath me always is: fr_ee , need to remove it!!
[[20:20] <Frank> s/cath/catch
[[20:20] <Frank> :D
[[20:21] <Frank> s/fr_ee/free
[[20:24] <Frank> Good night folks! It was a pleasure to read you again today!
[[20:24] <System> Frank is away. (Status: sleep time :d)
[[20:33] <laptop> c ya
[[20:42] <laptop> Just found out about maps over command line, "telnet mapscii.me"
[[20:43] <laptop> https://www.makeuseof.com/view-maps-in-linux-terminal-on-linux/
[[20:43] <laptop> ahh never mind, they don't recommend using telnet, meh
[[20:44] <laptop> "telnet is insecure" : (
[[20:46] <laptop> but you can install locally
[[06:27] <Frank> good morning!!
[[06:30] <Frank> yeah i know it, @laptop , i tried to implement it in the rmap nomadnet page with no success unfortunately.
[[07:38] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Frank: Weather in naples: 27.3C, Partly cloudy
[[07:39] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[08:13] <Cla> Buongiorno
[[08:14] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Cla: Weather in novara: 19.1C, Thunderstorm with slight hail
[[08:44] <tomuk5> Morning @Frank yeah rns.h.acked.co.uk should be up and running
[[08:44] <tomuk5> My node in Worcester UK should be up and running in about a week, waiting for a cavity filter to arrive and then its getting mounted up nice and high
[[08:45] <tomuk5> based on an E22 900M30S
[[12:30] <Frank> very interesting project, @tomuk5 !!
[[12:32] <Frank> yes, now it's connected to your server!! ;)
[[13:03] <tomuk5> yay! :)
[[19:02] <JC> @Frank I don't suppose it logged the "spam" anywhere?
[[19:04] <JC> I was just pondering that why are we following the Meshtastic people and using 868 MHz when the 433 MHz band would carry probably at least half farther.
[[19:05] <JC> And thanks to all the mobile frequencies being so close to 868 MHz we need cavity filters to "hear" anything.
[[19:21] <JC> I mean, nobody would die if the man on the Clapham omnibus had to press twice to use his garage opener remote.
[[20:15] <Frank> hi @JC , no, spam it's not logged anywhere, just stopped with and notified. i will improve the antispam message to show the word that triggered the block
[[20:18] <Frank> for lora factor...At least here in Italy, the 868, precisely 869.525 permit to use the full power of the module (22dmm max). on other frequencies like 433 and also some other 868 channel its limited by law, so if you want to use max power and stay legal, 869.525 is the best here.
[[20:19] <Frank> /s/dmm/dbm
[[20:23] <Frank> I did a bit of testing trying to jam the Lora signal and I will tell you that it is very very resilient, at least from my tests at home I have never noticed a drop in performance or decrease in link budget. I also shot 5watt with a radio directly on the antenna when sending and receiving messages, nothing, RTX works perfectly through the noise, which is just a characteristic of the LoRa.
[[20:26] <Frank> The real problem with the LoRa is not so much the interference but the visibility of the antenna. If the antennas are visible to each other in the optical line you do many kilometers, if you have no visibility you do nothing, especially in areas with obstacles.
[[20:27] <Frank> and that's all for today folks, tanks for passing by and see you tomorrow!! :)
[[20:27] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! Message: goodnight!
[[20:30] <Frank> p.s. : i don't follow meshtastic! ahahah :D
[[07:44] <Frank> Good Morning Chat!
[[08:36] <thomas> Good day everyone! Busy Friday today, but glad the weekend is fast approach!
[[11:25] <thomas> /s/approach/approaching
[[11:29] <Frank> this /s thing is contagious :D
[[11:34] <Frank> ok guys, improved the antispam message, now it show the filter pattern that triggered the block. if you notice some normal words getting blocked, please tell me the error you get and i'll resolve! tnx :)words or the
[[11:35] <Frank> mhh there is something wrapping words now... doh :D
[[11:37] <Frank> lets see what happens on new messages, tnx for your patience, the chatroom its in alfa version :)
[[19:08] <JC> Yeah, but mind the correct syntax. ;) s/foo/bar/
[[19:20] <JC> Yeah, looks like Meshtastic's default LongFast is 869.525 MHz. Okay, so that explains why it's used, by them, too.
[[19:24] <JC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-range_device#SRD860
[[20:31] <Frank> yes exactly! 869.4–869.65 MHz spaced by 25 kHz, max power allowed 500mW (869.525 is the middle channel in that freq. range) on the 433 i think max tx power is 100mw (or 10mw? mhh dont remember well atm)
[[20:32] <Frank> i'm not a meshtastic follower, but their preset are very well studied!
[[20:33] <Frank> defcon 33, mestastic flaws: https://youtu.be/0gHTO9LuPD4?si=71v7G5QUZVR7QV_r
[[20:33] <Frank> bitchat mitm flaws: https://youtu.be/N5pncSRl5Vo?si=fswjtQ_BDZTtk3v4
[[20:34] <Frank> the only secure network until contrary proved, it's reticulum! :)
[[20:34] <Frank> goodnight friends! see you tomorrow here! :)
[[20:35] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! Message: night!
[[02:36] <laptop> eyyy
[[03:42] <Guest> Good morning !
[[07:21] <y9Kap> Hello everyone!
[[07:24] <System> y9Kap has joined The Chat Room!
[[07:30] <System> Guest_5ec9 is leaving The Chat Room!
[[07:51] <Frank> Good Morning!!
[[10:19] <tomuk5> morning :)
[[10:40] <Frank> hello @tomuk5 !!
[[11:20] <Frank> FFHave a great Week-End folks!
[[11:21] <Frank> improved system communication for nickname fingerprint settings, info on bottom bar when needed or available.
[[11:22] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: see you later!
[[12:12] <Guest> i hope we can see soon mircroReticulm ready, i want make make some solar Rnode.
[[12:22] <Frank> after 1 year of inactivity semms that microreticulum is almost back!! follow the roadmap here: https://github.com/attermann/microReticulum
[[19:47] <JC> Yeah, I'd love to get a good and simple C base code for Reticulum. I have couple of tiny motherboards with AMD Geode which support MMX but lack SSE etc and it's aggravating that Python (cryptography which gets pulled in by just about anything but rnspure) has dependency on Rust and rust in turn doesn't provide correct LLVM... ;(
[[19:54] <JC> But then again, that microReticulum guy is detestably lazy and/or brainwashed/bribed by Micro$oft for even suggesting Visual Studio. ;-(P
[[07:18] <Frank> FFGood Morning Chat!
[[11:47] <gralexey> >after 1 year of inactivity semms that microreticulum is almost back! very excited
[[12:07] <Guest> I am very happy too!
[[17:50] <NLFO> yo
[[07:03] <Frank> morning!
[[09:26] <thomas> Hey everyone! Hope you're all having a great Monday 🚀
[[10:21] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room!
[[10:21] <System> y9Kap has joined The Chat Room! Message: sry
[[08:00] <Frank> Good Morning Reticulum!
[[12:06] <Corvo> good morning from Canada!
[[12:08] <Corvo> I really like this Frank
[[12:09] <Corvo> is topic working?
[[12:10] <Corvo> commmands cause the chat to crash
[[12:16] <C0rv0> hello world
[[12:16] <C0rv0> will this nick persist?
[[13:25] <Frank> hi @C0rv0 , topic works, let me check, but usually is ok...the nick will persist if you send fingerprint by pressing the button on meshchat, sometimes it can be lost due to reboot or similar, and pressing fingerprint again you'll recover it again
[[13:28] <Frank> topic works, you need to reload the page after the command to visualize it. what command causes to crash? to me seems all ok...
[[13:29] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Frank: Weather in roma: 27.5C, Overcast
[[13:30] <Frank> its all working fine apparently!!
[[13:31] <Frank> p.s. if a crash occurs in the python script you get a void black page
[[13:33] <Frank> only issue with the topic is that if you put a long topic it will be split in two lines or more and you loose the link button to reload, will fix it soon (maybe removing the reload link)
[[13:34] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: see ya!
[[05:45] <John> Many thanks for this wanderful Chat program ;)
[[08:25] <Frank> FFgood morning!
[[08:25] <Frank> hey @John tnx and welcome here :)
[[12:01] <C0rv0> can we post links like this? a18ed19a802a008fa430ffd3d93ff063:/page/index.mu
[[12:01] <C0rv0> @Frank links parsing would be great
[[13:35] <Frank> @C0rv0 it's done! :)
[[13:35] <Frank> $link
[[13:36] <Frank> to higlight and render a link, before the actual link, use $link
[[13:36] <Frank> example: $link d251bfd8e30540b5bd219bbbfcc3afc5:/page/index.mu for the chatroom
[[13:37] <Frank> or $link a18ed19a802a008fa430ffd3d93ff063:/page/index.mu for your page! :)))
[[13:47] <Frank> and also for http/https links: $link https://rmap.world (remember to include https://)
[[13:56] <Frank> tnx for the idea! see you later!
[[13:56] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[14:03] <C0rv0> this is my identity, message me $linkd2ab8ada4b0be45b3ad434e45072149e
[[14:04] <C0rv0> $link d2ab8ada4b0be45b3ad434e45072149e
[[14:05] <C0rv0> OK, so it's 'DOLLARlinkSPACEAdress'
[[14:07] <C0rv0> however, currently it's assumed that this is a Nomadnet Link, I wonder if would be possible to create a Chat link
[[15:46] <Frank> for a lxmf addres you need to use the lxmf@address format
[[15:47] <Frank> example: contact me at $link lxmf@0d051f3b6f844380c3e0c5d14e37fac8
[[15:56] <Frank> You have to use the same type of writing that you use for MU pages, it doesn't depend on the chat script but on how the prefix nomadnet:// is interpreted by the clients (MeshChat and Nomadnet)
[[16:00] <Frank> nomadnet://address is rendered and opened as a nomadnet page, nomadnet://http:// is opened in external browser and nomadnet://lxmf@youraddress is opened in a new chat window in meshchat
[[03:40] <superpanda> hello
[[05:31] <Doom> print("Hello World !")
[[06:30] <Frank> good morning Reticulum!
[[06:30] <Frank> hello @superpanda hello @Doom
[[06:31] <Frank> $e
[[12:16] <L0rv0> my contact is $link lxmf@d2ab8ada4b0be45b3ad434e45072149e
[[12:35] <Frank> hey @C0rv0 , i tried to contact but cannot fint the address....is the correct lxmf address?or the identity maybe...to be contacted you need the lxmf! the identity is for the reticulum routing etc, for the chat: lxmf address
[[12:37] <Frank> /s/fint/find/ :D
[[18:25] <C0rv0> the lxmf adress is this $link lxmf@c923c012244cd0a35b22a0ae02d848b4
[[19:27] <Frank> yeah now its working! :)
[[19:30] <Frank> guys take a look at this amazing project by @thomas : $link https://pypi.org/project/micron-builder/ it lets you build nomadnet micron pages in python with an easier syntax!
[[19:45] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: good night!
[[23:17] <teapot> hey there! I recently wrote a converter from html to micron, so now you can browse simple internet pages straight from nomadnet!
[[23:18] <teapot> here's the link: $link aef10ff6b4b19c48deba8c50b02ae328:/page/browser.mu
[[23:19] <teapot> let me know of bugs/feedback :) link to source code is there also
[[04:20] <Doom> Nice job @thomas !
[[07:40] <thomas> Thanks @Doom! And great stuff @teapot! That's also some very cool project!
[[07:56] <Frank> Good Morning Chat!!
[[07:56] <Frank> yeah nice project @teapot
[[17:37] <beduino> salve
[[17:38] <beduino> come state gente?
[[18:19] <laptop> è bene
[[18:32] <Frank> ciao @beduino , ciao @laptop :)
[[18:33] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Frank: Weather in london: 20.2C, Overcast
[[18:46] <laptop> ey man
[[22:03] <laptop> So hypnotix wouldn't work for me so I tried this, https://www.watchiptv.xyz
[[06:41] <Frank> Good Morning Reticulum! Have a great weekend!!
[[14:53] <Astra> omg this is pretty cool
[[15:20] <Guest> Anyone use cb-radio and kiss modemn reticulum?
[[21:09] <JC> I believe CB radio is 'murican concept. And the legality of sending data over similar licence free public radio services varies around the world.
[[23:12] <Arg0> Grande Frank! Ottimo lavoro come sempre :-) Bellissima chat! Ti stimo ;-)
[[23:36] <Varx> Ive tried it via KISS on a mobilinkd. Didn't actually allow it to transmit as they may or may not be illegal. Any idea how to test without transmitting? maybe 2 mobilinkd connected via an audio cable or something? lol hacky but it might work.
[[23:54] <Guest> hello
[[02:59] <Guest> @Varx you could use dummy loads instead of an antenna
[[07:30] <Frank> Good Moring Ladies and Gent's :)
[[10:39] <Guest> test
[[11:51] <Frank> test received!
[[16:31] <Frank> 🌮 🐱 💯 🐣 🤞 🐻 🧂 🐹 🥗 🧑🚀
[[18:39] <JC> @Varx I'm sure tha would be easiest way to test and quite good idea in fact. No need to take it to RF before you've worked out it works.
[[18:42] <JC> @Frank Moring? Present participle and gerund of more.
[[18:43] <JC> Drop off the apostrophe.
[[18:44] <JC> In other words, your favourite pedantic party-pooper is here.
[[20:34] <me> thank you so much for making all of this 💜
[[21:21] <Guest> Is it possible to use analog radios to establish connection to Reticulum based network ?
[[21:22] <Guest> Analog like cb, ham hf, pmr, etc.
[[23:22] <JC> Well, assuming there is someone with a modem hooked to his radio to turn the analog into digital and the other way around as a sort of point of interface to the network. And you in turn of course having a modem of your own hooked to your radio in turn. I doesn't really matter - heck, you could just play the tones over your desk from one modem to another, with no radio in between.
[[23:24] <JC> The problem with the audio radios usually is, that they are designed for voice, with a limited bandwidth, often from 300 Hz to 3400 Hz, which limits how much bandwidth you can use with your modem and in turn making the speed limited.
[[00:18] <ZenTheFox> Good evening from Indiana
[[04:27] <Doom> On CB radio try JS8Call
[[04:28] <Doom> Reticulum is possible on CB radio with Direwolf for exemple
[[07:57] <Frank> good morning chat! :D
[[08:01] <Frank> tnx to @JC for pointing out my problems with my English and my typos :D
[[08:03] <Frank> @Guest yes, its possible to use analogic radio as radio modems, the easiest way is with: 1 an AIOC Cable , 2 a radio, 3 enabling serial interface in reticulum connected to the usb of the aioc cable
[[08:04] <Frank> hello @ZenTheFox
[[08:06] <Frank> hello @Doom , yes, correct, also direwolf can be used between radio and reticulm, there is also som user who tested tncattach with success.
[[08:06] <Frank> hello @me , thanks for passing by :)
[[10:38] <Nick> Ciao ragazzi, ditemi se arrivo
[[10:54] <Frank> ciao @Nick , ricevuto!!! benvenuto :)
[[10:58] <Guest> Ottimo Frank, grazie per il riscontro, buon pranzo!!
[[10:59] <Guest> la pagina si autoaggiorna ogni tot secondi o devo fare il reload?
[[11:04] <Frank> no, reload manuale purtroppo, nn c'è verso di farlo in automatico purtroppo!! consiglio di usare il reload della barra utente, se lo fai da meshchat si perde l'username (a meno che non invii il fingerprint e quindi il nick resta salvato!)
[[11:07] <Nick> ok grazie!
[[11:09] <Frank> è un piacere averti anche qui!! :))
[[11:09] <Frank> buon pranzo a tutti!!!
[[11:11] <Nick> Ottimo lavoro !! Mi confermi che non e' stato ancora implementato per momadnet?
[[14:55] <Frank> ancora no @Nick , devo farne una versione semplificata, puoi hostarlo con nomadnet o rns_server_pager, ma la UI non viene renderizzata bene su nomadnet, devo farne una versione light per quello appena riesco :)
[[17:05] <Nick> grazie per il tuo ottimo lavoro
[[19:32] <JC> @Frank Incidentally, any idea where to source them? AIOC, that is.
[[23:27] <Guest> Anyone speaks english? I am flying to Rome ext week
[[06:20] <Frank> FFGood Morning Reticulum!!
[[06:21] <Frank> hey @JC AIOC link: $link https://na6d.com/products/aioc-ham-radio-all-in-one-cable
[[06:25] <Frank> or: $link https://g1lro.uk/?p=85
[[19:15] <JC> @Frank I meant this: https://na6d.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions "Currently we only ship to the USA." But that latter link seems more fruitful. Thank you.
[[19:15] <JC> https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/gu1lro
[[06:23] <laptop> span detected? eh?
[[06:23] <laptop> spam*
[[06:28] <laptop> Is anyone on a 2.4GHz mesh networks? The kind that actually transfers http sites.
[[06:28] <laptop> network*
[[07:45] <Frank> good morning guys
[[07:47] <Frank> @JC there are many resellers worldwide for the aioc, i sent just a link to let you know what is. you can also "print" your own from jlpcb or other chip manufacturer, just search on the web or youtube, you'll get all the info
[[07:49] <Frank> hello @laptop , some word you digited triggered the antispam, in the error there is the word that was blocked, if you can provide it to me i can check and remove it from the spam filters if is not spam. for the 2.4ghz , no, never tested personally
[[17:28] <laptop> I forgot what I typed now but it doesn't matter, anyway 2.4GHz mesh is a big thing in Germany and Spain, so I figured you guys in Europe might be into it.
[[18:51] <JC> @laptop This hardware apparently supports both, 35 cm and 12.5 cm bands. https://store.liberatedsystems.co.uk/product/opencom-xl/
[[18:56] <JC> I sort of think that why go towards 2.4 GHz and would rather go towards 433 MHz as it would double the range.
[[18:59] <JC> And one wouldn't need some cavity filters to filter out the ubiquitous mobile networks.
[[20:01] <laptop> I've seen it, it's nice.
[[21:02] <laptop> I'm more talking about for exp openWRT, BATMAN-adv, etc
[[21:03] <laptop> hostapd, all that
[[21:35] <laptop> So essentially openCOM XL can pick up rns packets via wifi too then? If so, neat. I was talking about access points and mesh stuff.
[[21:35] <laptop> freifunk seems big in Germany
[[09:17] <hobo> slick setup, I'll have to lurk more
[[13:04] <Frank> Hello world! :D
[[21:00] <JC> @laptop I think that openCOM XL works on 2.4GHz but still LoRa, so nothing to do with Wi-Fi.
[[05:53] <laptop> hmm alright
[[07:59] <Cla> Buongiorno
[[08:00] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Cla: Weather in novara: 20.2C, Partly cloudy
[[11:39] <Frank> buongiorno & good morning! :D
[[20:22] <JC> Anyway, yeah, I've looked into that but since everyone and their dog and their dog's granny is on Wi-Fi I've sort of lost my interest. -.- Besides, it wastes huge amount of (battery) power to xmit on that.
[[20:26] <JC> And the range is really abysmally small unless you use some 100 m high mast towers and directional antennas and so on.
[[20:35] <laptop> that's when amplifiers and filters come on
[[20:40] <JC> That's when radio amateur licence come on.
[[20:49] <laptop> not if it's a directional point to point link, far as I know
[[22:46] <laptop> https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=Qvw9w3N1TO4
[[22:46] <laptop> I loved this episode, figured I'd post it here.
[[02:17] <Guest> Hello. Could someone please direct me to a place I can get assistance and troubleshoot messaging with either meshchat or nomasdnet? Direct messages are failing and I dont know why
[[03:32] <Guest1> Fun!
[[04:40] <Guest> Good morning :)
[[07:40] <Frank> good morning and goo weekend folks!
[[07:44] <Frank> @Guest do you have all your clients updated? you can find the official reticulum chat on matrix and there are also some telegram groups that can help
[[07:45] <Frank> /s/goo weekend/good weekend! :)
[[15:27] <Zen> Howdy howdy
[[15:56] <Frank> hi @zen !
[[17:31] <CarL_PetErson> @laptop I think reticulum should work over batman adv. with the auto interface. I tested it a bit with the local Freifunk mesh but had no luck. Maybe they installed some anti flooding measures or I'm just wrong. But it would be nice to have an already working local mesh infrastructure. I think I'll test some more :)
[[18:10] <JC> @Frank Mind the syntax. ;) s/foo/bar/
[[22:48] <laptop> Interesting, the last thing I found interesting going on in the mesh community over there was this https://github.com/mwarning/KadNode
[[23:10] <laptop> Check this out https://hamnetdb.net/map.cgi
[[05:59] <Guest> Good Morning from Germany
[[06:36] <Frank> Good Morning Reticulum! Have a Great Sunday!!
[[08:29] <laptop> gm
[[11:06] <CarL_PetErson> Oh yeah, reticulum over hamnet (AMPRNet/network44) would be a dream, but it's only for people with a licence and as far as I know you are not supposed to use it for external stuff
[[11:11] <CarL_PetErson> On the other hand...you don't have to tell everybody that you route reticulum traffic trough it :D
[[18:14] <laptop> I was just amazed at the size of their mesh, it's neat.
[[20:33] <Guest> Hmm, I've been pondering that, Reticulum over B.A.T.M.A.N. Adv but I can't think of any obvious reason why it wouldn't work. Feel free to elaborate if you know why not.
[[20:33] <JC> My comment ^
[[01:04] <Zen> Good evening from Indiana
[[07:26] <Frank> Good Morning Reticulum!!
[[11:18] <thomas> Hey everyone! What are you up to? Busy month at work so I am not very active recently... Have a great one!
[[11:23] <Frank> thanks Thomas, have a great day!!
[[11:28] <JC> @thomas I'll have a great cup of coffee.
[[11:34] <JC> Apropos, anyone really paid attention and/or made any stats of how many/much of the nodes are connected to whichever, well node. I mean, Dublin Testnet is without doubt the most dense with connected nodes, but which other ones are densely connected? From my point of view / meschat Germany 001 and 002 might be the next ones, through far behind Dublin and SparkNode might be somewhere on the level with Germany00{1,2}.
[[11:36] <JC> Actually RMAP.WORLD too. Though of course this is just a visual impression.
[[11:44] <thomas> @Frank 🫡
[[11:44] <thomas> @JC ☕️
[[13:14] <CarL_PetErson> @JC I don't know much about it. I think it's possible to filter/limit multicast in batman adv. In the one Test I did there was also a tunnel involved. I will get myself a router and test a bit more. Linking small LoRa meshes over Freifunk would be great
[[13:21] <CarL_PetErson> @JC For me the biggest ones are Amsterdam, Sideband and the 2 german nodes. I think your own location plays a role
[[16:13] <Diego> FFBuonasera Tutti quelli del Bastione!
[[16:36] <undersiege> hi there
[[13:01] <Frank> FFGood Morning Reticulum!!
[[13:01] <Frank> ciao @Diego , benvenuto! welcome here @undersiege
[[13:02] <Frank> optimized char lenght to adapt the page on long nicknames, tnx @CarL_PetErson for making me discover this little issue :D]
[[13:04] <Frank> also working on a great new project together with @thomas , stay tuned folks!! ;)
[[14:03] <thomas> Whoop whoop!
[[15:39] <Frank> 🚚 🚛 🚜 🛴 🚲 🛵 🏍 🛺 🚨 🚔
[[19:00] <JC> Even bigger coffee cup?
[[07:47] <thomas> @JC Yes, please!
[[09:11] <Frank> yeahh i need it too this morning :D
[[09:12] <Frank> FFHello Folks :D
[[17:47] <laptop> Hey
[[18:00] <thomas> Hey everyone! Cannot wait for the weekend to begin... This week at works as been pretty tough! Hope everyone is doing well... anyone doing any interesting experiments with Reticulum?
[[18:12] <laptop> Tested lxst, nothing happened yet, maybe I'm using it wrong.
[[19:05] <Frank> hey @laptop i tested it too with the example given by mark, same here, no result for now , we need to understand how it works!
[[19:12] <laptop> mhm
[[19:17] <laptop> Well, the tone_generator.py works but it didn't display anything, so maybe I gotta link it to some kind of index.mu file. But if you cd into LXST-master/examples, simply type 'python3 ./tone_generator.py' and see.
[[19:18] <laptop> You should hear a sine wave tone.
[[20:20] <Frank> yeah this works, but how to connect to it to listen in another machine or instance? this was my problem!
[[20:21] <Frank> so tired, i go, see you tomorrow!!
[[20:21] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: goodnight!
[[17:54] <Frank> hey hey
[[17:55] <Frank> have a great friday!
[[05:00] <fwfy> woah, this is pretty neat. is it active? hard to tell w/ the timestamp format
[[05:01] <Guest> at the minimum it's been half a day since the last message
[[06:50] <Frank> FFGood Morning Reticulum! Have a great weekend!
[[06:51] <Frank> hello @fwfy , welcome here!
[[06:56] <Frank> Of course, up and running, everyone writes when they have time to visit the page! unfortunately timestamp at the moment can only be obtained from the server machine and not from the client side due to meshchat limitations, i asked LiamCottle to add a variable to be able to get the local time, so it will display your own timestamp for each client. for the moment this is not possible, the page or the script cannot know remote time, only local (from the server)
[[06:57] <Frank> other option is by using a personalized user setting for each saved nickname with the local timezone, but its complex and user settings are still work in progress for now with other personalizations (custom nick color, timezone, and more...)
[[11:44] <nadeko> hello hello everyone
[[14:42] <Frank> hi @nadeko , welcome :)
[[19:15] <hehe> сегодня будут танцы
[[19:19] <hehe> и лица девушек горят
[[19:20] <hehe> с утра горят румянцем
[[19:24] <hehe> /q
[[19:37] <Guest> tst
[[19:39] <Frank> @hehe have a great Weeknd you too ;)
[[19:40] <rBrow> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[[19:41] <rBrow> oh yes!!!!!!
[[19:52] <JC> Duh, GMT/UTC will suffice just fine.
[[21:48] <nadeko> im thinking of hosting my own reticulum interface. how would you guys recommend i do. just over tcp or should i use a meshtastic device
[[23:38] <JC> Or both?
[[08:30] <Frank> good morning guys!
[[08:31] <Frank> @nadeko take a look at $link https://rmap.world to check other rnodes in your zone, if there is none, put your own first! :D
[[08:46] <Guest> hallo
[[10:48] <Guest> test
[[17:15] <Frank> 🧜 🧚 🧝 🧪 🧫 🧬 🧤 🧥 🧦
[[00:57] <Guest> 🌈 🌊 🌍 🌎 🌏 🌕 🌖 🌗 🌘 🌑
[[08:40] <Frank> hello chat!
[[09:30] <laptop> Hey
[[10:35] <Frank> hi @laptop :)
[[11:44] <rBrow> yeah
[[11:59] <JC> o/
[[12:16] <Guest> good morning
[[19:29] <rBrow> who am i?
[[02:01] <Guest> hi
[[06:24] <thomas> Good day chat room!
[[06:57] <laptop> eyy
[[07:52] <Lenny> Всем день добрый
[[08:41] <Frank> FFGood Morning Reticulum!!!
[[08:42] <Frank> hello @thom , eyy @laptop , welcome @Lenny !!
[[08:42] <Frank> hello @thomas , eyy @laptop , welcome @Lenny !!
[[14:55] <ITJunky> Hi from Russia. Good design. Admin
[[15:20] <Lia> Hi from brasil, has anyone noticed their network map looks very empty?
[[15:25] <ITJunky> Lia: send a link to servers list
[[15:38] <Lia> @ITJunky how?
[[15:41] <Lia> i just put all the nodes i could in my interfaces in meshchat since the reticulum docs said it would be fine since it should optimize the paths, should i limit the number of interfaces?
[[15:43] <Lia> im currently connected to 26 of them, i'm not sure if they are connected between each other or how this should be set up since the docs didn't really go into too much depth on how this should actually be set up and instead just focused mostly on how to set up RNodes instead
[[16:21] <Frank> hi @ITJunky , hi @Lia , welcome here :)
[[16:23] <Frank> for @Lia , first of all, its not sure that adding multiple servers (tcp interfaces) makes the paths optimized, some servers are not updated to latest rns version and breaks the connection to the destination if you get an outdated server in the middle of the connection, and you cannot know what version the server is running.
[[16:30] <Frank> so its better to use less tcp interface but quality ones. example? the official testents are always updated , rmap.world is always updated
[[16:31] <Frank> and here comes the next thing: if rns has the transport enabled, like rmap for example, the server in the interface are all interconnected, and this is the effective mesh that reticulum does (not only on tcp but on any interface)
[[16:33] <Frank> rmap is connected to about 30 working servers, so in this case if you connect only to this, you will have most of all the whole reticulum network. the visualizer is approssimative, the real users that you can see are in the announces.
[[16:39] <Guest> hi
[[17:14] <ITJunky> Lia: host it on pastebin or another service as a text paste with part of config where you set servers.
[[17:19] <Lia> @ITJunky previously they were all enabled, but here's the list: https://hastebin.com/share/votekimuge.ini also adding any i2p addresses causes reticulum to become instable and sometimes it gets into a crash loop if i add any i2p nodes:
[[17:25] <Lia> @Frank i can't figure out how to see announces in meshchat, unfortunately, sideband is very buggy for me (the python version refuses to install because they use some weird custom version of pycodec2 that doesn't work so pip throws out an error, and yes i tried installing the official pycodec2 and it just ignores the fact its already installed and tries installing it anyways)
[[17:51] <SPB_Chat> 1275feceae4b156a453aee521f78721d:/page/index.mu
[[17:57] <JC> Well, I haven't really even bothered with any i2p as it would need that I first set it up. On the tab Nomad Network you'll see the main window filling most of the screen on the right but between the left side menu column and the main text window you should have two tabs by names of Favourites adn Announces and on that latter you should see a live listing of the announced nodes. And the same structure applies to the Messages window as well.
[[17:57] <CarL_PetErson> @Lia are the crashes related to i2p occuring in meshchat? There seems to be a bug where meshchat automatically adds a line to the i2p interface in the config, but can't process it at start
[[17:57] <ITJunky> Realy cool chat. Thank you ;)
[[18:00] <CarL_PetErson> You have to delete "ifac_size = none" and it will start working again until the settings in meshchat are changed again
[[18:03] <JC> Ah yes, on the Network Visualiser page it lists that I have 22 interfaces online, but at least half a dozen of those are the internal ones and one of them to the physical RNode. But yeah, like Frank said if you add RMAP.WORLD and Dublin Testenet you should have plenty enough connectivity. The latter is without doubt the most connected node.
[[18:05] <JC> s/Testenet/Testnet/
[[18:09] <JC> @Frank Apropos, does this work yet with Nomadnet as client? (Yeah, I'm too lazy to test and besides, you know it best after all.)
[[18:22] <Goose> Hey uh is anyone online
[[18:23] <ITJunky> Yes ifac_ is fucking shit )))
[[18:34] <JC> Now that's a weird bug, but then again, like I said, I haven't really bothered with i2p.
[[18:34] <JC> @Goose Um, no, we're all offline?
[[19:10] <JC> Hmm, for some reason on my visualisation Sydney has gathered clearly a lot of connections. Dublin Testnet and Sydney are noticeably the biggest.
[[19:10] <Lia> @CarL_PetErson nope, happens in sideband and when i config manually too
[[19:25] <laptop> https://github.com/RFnexus/reticulum-over-hf/blob/main/README.md
[[19:34] <JC> I have I2P v2.8.2 installed from F-Droid repositories but I'm not sure if I've ever managed to connect Reticulum over it.
[[19:42] <JC> https://github.com/landandair/RNS_Over_Meshtastic ;)
[[04:20] <snack> I haven't personally had any issues with I2P connectivity; the initial setup was a bit goofy, though. I have I2PD installed via FDroid, and you have to be sure to enable SAM from the web console (within the app). I set up an I2P node at my home which has good connectivity to other nodes, and then use I2PD to connect from my phone to my home node, etc etc
[[04:22] <snack> Ahh, I should have read further up; I see now that it's a compatibility issue with MeshChat. I haven't tested that scenario :/
[[04:23] <snack> I use Sideband on my phone, which works fine with I2PD
[[10:47] <Frank> good morning chat!
[[10:49] <Frank> @Lia : on meshchat you have the main message window, then conversation, next to it there is the Announces tab, same for nomadnets, you have favorites and announces tab, they appears when a node or a peer is announced
[[13:29] <Casca> Ciao a tutti. @Frank è oneroso inserire il prefisso data nel prompt per i messaggi di ieri?
[[20:14] <JC> There is a distinct lack of Frank in here.
[[21:14] <Frank> hey guys, sorry, i'm very busy these days...good night, I'll make it up to you soon!
[[09:14] <Frank> Good Morning Reticulum!!
[[10:23] <Guest> nice
[[10:24] <Guest> its mirc
[[11:09] <F4JTC> bonjour a tous ; on me recois ?
[[11:59] <Guest> hi everyone
[[13:26] <Guest> Hello !
[[14:02] <Frank> hello @F4JTC , received!!
[[14:11] <Guest> test
[[14:37] <rBrow> Testing Fingerprint Detection!
[[18:24] <Guest> да мы здесь есть не бзди ты не один
[[18:32] <Frank> 🧑🔧 🧑💼 🧑⚖️ 🧑✈️ 🧑🎓
[[20:52] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: good night reticulum people!
[[22:01] <NotFrank> Quite the chat room indeed :)
[[22:20] <ReallyNotFrank> Ahoy.
[[07:54] <Ivan> hello
[[09:03] <Frank> FFGood morning :D
[[09:19] <Guest> Buongiorno a tutti
[[09:22] <Luca73> Oggi pioggia temperatura 13 gradi Settimo Torinese
[[10:00] <Guest> Hello!
[[10:01] <Guest> Is the source for this room available, for others who want to host similar?
[[10:15] <billy> I like this much too. I am also thinking to see the source please?
[[10:29] <Frank> ciao @Luca73 , qui freschetto, probabilmente pioverà
[[10:30] <Frank> hi @billy , of course the source is available, digit /version for the github project link!
[[19:40] <billy> @Frank, I have found now, thankyou!
[[19:46] <damp> By all the gods, we have given the world to geriatric men with the minds of damaged toddlers.
[[20:19] <JC> On each side of the pond. -.-
[[21:29] <Arne> Hallo all
[[05:01] <Guest> Good morning !
[[09:02] <Frank> Hello Reticulum!
[[11:54] <rBrow> i'm coming soon!! ;)
[[16:22] <Curiosity> Hey, can people give a quick message about how the honest state of their country is rn? Like for you personally, your own experiences. Are we all eating? Is there a lot of political unrest? How are things? It's important to use things like this while we can, before it gets regulated, to be honest and let the rest of the world know just what's going on.
[[16:23] <Curiosity> And feel free to not post where you are, just a statement about how your life is.
[[17:13] <Frank> hey @Curiosity, you are free to write what you want, with respect to others. there is a good chance (or hope) that reticulum will not be regulated. lets start: i live in Sheepland, eu and sheeps dont realize that we are governed by Wolfs, so apparently is all calm, nobody sees the destruction that is coming! :D
[[17:57] <Guest> they are centralizing everything, they started with the internet and now they are centralizing your life! did you realize it?
[[17:58] <Guest> accept digital id and see!
[[18:12] <GuestB> it's Orwell time, with 50 years more sophisticaded tech!
[[18:13] <Meteo> Meteo Request from GuestB: Weather in warsaw: 13.4C, Overcast
[[20:28] <Meggy> BTW in sheepland they try to start chatcontrol
[[20:32] <Lisa> that's why we have alternative chats! doh!
[[23:04] <laptop> Problems: Revelation 2:9, Ephesians 6:12. Solution: Jesus.
[[23:56] <laptop> This is a global issue, so in the meantime, shareholders and corporations buying up huge swaths of land, digital ID that wont change criminals in any way, NGO's funding migrants and local governments giving them everything at the expense of tax payers, job scarcity, population concentration in major cities creating all sorts of infrastructure and opportunity bottlenecks, low wages, liberal colleges polluting new generations with identity politics and leftism to keep people infighting needlessly, housing cost high, rent high, food prices high, loneliness epidemic, news agencies lying, wars of depopulation, children starving, political conflicts of interest due to cushy funding, more vaccines they say -while humans have been here for millions of years -not dead yet, and it just goes on and on like that. God (Jesus) is the answer, this life and everything in it is passing, including ourselves. God is the only real hope. Sure we can affect change to some small or dramatic extent, but in the end we face eternity, the question is ultimately a spiritual one. Without ignoring the very real faces behind human suffering, the answer is still God.
[[23:58] <laptop> God gives us life itself, hope, food, friends, family.. and we can be thankful for much, very much even.
[[00:04] <laptop> And I guess there will be those who disagree with me. Jesus loves you.
[[04:51] <Guest> Good Morning !
[[05:22] <laptop> eyy
[[05:30] <Guest-ghost> Howdy
[[05:36] <laptop> I was researching older software a bit ago, this might be interesting to you guys.
[[05:37] <laptop> https://www.cs1.tf.fau.de/research/system-security-group/ramcrypt/ https://www.cs1.tf.fau.de/research/system-security-group/tresor-trevisor-armored/
[[07:38] <Frank> FFGood Morning Reticulum, have a great Sunday!!
[[08:08] <thomas> Good morning everyone! @laptop very well said, thanks for sharing! @Frank have a great Sunday too!
[[16:04] <Ignazio> IMHO god is not the answer: it's the excuse for being idle
[[16:14] <CarL_PetErson> @Ignazio Amen!
[[16:25] <laptop> I think the evidence speaks for itself, the whole of Western civilization, all the beautiful architecture, the laws created to defend the innocent, the food banks created to serve the local community, etc etc is by no means idle. And many of the people opposing government overreach are believers. Just a matter of how you look at it. But yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
[[16:26] <CarL_PetErson> @laptop Hey, if you more or less given up on worldly matters, cool by me. But please don't bash the people who try their best to make things better for the rest of us :)
[[17:28] <Guest> Ignazio words are from a person who did'nt find God yet ;)
[[18:47] <Frank> ok lets talk about reticulm for now thanks
[[18:48] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Frank: Weather in roma: 20.0C, Overcast
[[18:48] <Frank> ❤️ 💛 💚 💙 💜 🖤 💖 💘 💝 💟
[[02:15] <laptop> You're right, anyway, has anybody tried that RNS over Meshtastic thing?
[[07:56] <thomas> @laptop Not yet, but that seems to be interesting. I would also like to find an RNS <-> Telegram bridge, I have made one for Meshtastic <-> Telegram but before I start making one I was trying to find something already existing...
[[08:24] <Frank> good morning folks!
[[08:30] <Frank> hi @laptop , i didn't test it personally beause i don't use meshtastic anymore but i've joined one of this bridge peers for my curiosity, this is the lxmf address: $link nomadnetwork://lxmf@5c16dcb8ccfaf6c8a85ff66aedb8f70d (i don't know what script they are using and if its still active, last announce was from yesterday but cannot reach by ping it now)
[[08:31] <Frank> $link lxmf@5c16dcb8ccfaf6c8a85ff66aedb8f70d
[[08:33] <Frank> (and last received message was from 10 days ago, maybe is down now)
[[08:34] <Frank> it seems they have switched to meshcore from the conversation $e $e $e :D
[[09:42] <Luca73> Buongiorno a tutti
[[11:23] <Luca73> Test
[[11:46] <Frank> ciao @Luca73 , buongiorno!!!test ricevuto!!! :)
[[11:58] <Frank> oh yes, @laptop , i found the official message on nomadnet: WARNING: AU Meshtastic Bridge is being sunset! The mesh network in Sydney is (slowly) migrating to Meshcore (http://nswmesh.au/). To aid with the transition, this bridge will be decommissioned and reflashed to Meshcore on the first of October. Thank you to all the members who helped make LXMBridge better. The python source code will always be available here: https://github.com/Aveygo/LXMBridge
[[11:58] <Frank> $link https://github.com/Aveygo/LXMBridge
[[14:13] <Guest> Does anyone know why the Amsterdam node is down or when it'll be back?
[[14:33] <Frank> hey guest, nope, it seems that the whole *.connect.reticulum.network is down at the moment , so amsterdam, dublin and all the others, maybe they are updating something?!
[[15:52] <Propeller> Should the mesh be unstoppable by ots own nature?
[[16:06] <Frank> there are other 100's of tcp server interface, these mentioned are called testnets and supposed to go up and down when they want, specified on the RNS manual! read before detract ;)
[[16:37] <Propeller> Yep! I was worried by the word "the whole"
[[16:46] <Frank> yeah, i meant the whole *.connect.reticulum.network domains , no problem, now they are UP again!! :D
[[16:48] <Frank> add other tcp interfaces for backup in these cases and you'll stay online even if a server goes down. a 100% online and stable is rmap running on a VPS, target: rmap.world port: 4242
[[17:00] <rBrowser> i'm coming soon! :D
[[17:02] <laptop> @thomas I think I saw a telegram bridge but I dunno why anyone would want to use it, since telegram uses phone numbers for sign up no? Or am I thinking something else? Not sure anymore, so many apps everywhere. @Frank yeah I don't use meshtastic either is why I ask. I don't use meshcore either, since neither of those have nodes (webpages).
[[17:06] <laptop> Unless something has changed and I've been in a cave all this time.
[[17:07] <laptop> In other news, heltec released the lora32 V4.
[[17:10] <laptop> @thomas these bridges https://github.com/SebastianObi/LXMF-Tools
[[17:10] <thomas> @laptop nah you are making great points... it's just different use cases... for instance, I made that meshtastic <-> telegram bridge to make sure I can reach my family group (on telegram) from meshtastic in case I don't have data, but lora range... most of my family members are not onboarded with meshtastic nor reticulum yet so that's just baby steps, and ways to make them see the potential. If they are keen, I will convince them to adopt the tech and get off grid, that's the plan :)
[[17:12] <thomas> @laptop those v4's seem nice, but I am more a fan of nRF52 chips... thanks for the link!
[[17:14] <laptop> That's definitely a good usecase, I doubt my family wold ever use something like this except as a last resort, but we can!
[[17:15] <thomas> @laptop it looks like the telegram bridge is not implemented lol: https://github.com/SebastianObi/LXMF-Tools/blob/main/lxmf_bridge_telegram/lxmf_bridge_telegram.py (empty file). Some of those files are just placeholders, it seems...
[[17:16] <laptop> Surprising they even use telegram, most ppl use whatsapp now a days. I also don't hear of a lot of ppl using Tox protocol much anymore.
[[17:16] <laptop> hmmm
[[17:18] <laptop> dang, well that sucks, well, guess the option is creating one.
[[17:20] <laptop> ON ANOTHER NOTE! I found a script that shrinks pdf's and I spent all day decreasing image sizes for nothing yesterday, so this may help someone. https://github.com/aklomp/shrinkpdf
[[17:23] <Frank> same here @laptop , only reticulum, no you are not in a cave, there is huge difference between all these protocols, its like comparing toys vs professional tools :D
[[17:24] <Frank> yes @thomas , the SebastianObi bridge is not developed yet, repo is this way from 3yrs :D
[[17:36] <laptop> There is aTox and Antox for android, those seem secure as well. I also recommend NetGuard (application firewall).
[[17:42] <Frank> i had atox installed for a while but never used :D
[[17:56] <laptop> I like qTox, but I rarely use it now. Meshchat just works.
[[18:19] <laptop> I was actually taking about this one, Frank https://github.com/landandair/RNS_Over_Meshtastic
[[18:21] <laptop> I guess it piggybacks on existing meshtastic infrastructure.
[[19:03] <Frank> yes it would be nice to test it, but in my zone i'm alone, don't have any other lora
[[19:05] <Frank> maybe it could be used to make the standalone repeater that we dont have at the moment in reticulum...setting a meshtastic as standalone repeater...one of these days i'll try it, maybe is the missing ring in the chain until the microreticulum will work again...
[[19:07] <Frank> this other project seems to be very interesting to try: $link https://github.com/BeechatNetworkSystemsLtd/rns-vpn-rs
[[19:09] <laptop> saved.
[[19:39] <JC> Seems Meshtastic can be used as a transparent pipe, so feeding Reticulum stream over it should be very easy. https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/module/serial/
[[20:01] <Frank> goodnight guys, speak you soon! :D
[[20:05] <laptop> later
[[20:08] <JC> Good night, sweet dreams @Frank.
[[20:19] <JC> Did you already spot this @laptop? RNS-over-HTTP ec9c62ae0eea5b813907bd90642df57d:/page/index.mu
[[20:21] <JC> Though I'm not so sure how useful that is. Perhaps in some extremely strict firewalled environment.
[[20:40] <laptop> I noticed it, and it seems like something useful on top of a piratebox or shareboxx. Or just over batman-adv on freifunk. Http is obviously not encrypted so it would be nice to do a wireshark test. But it would essentially be a wifi/lan version of an rnode I guess.
[[20:43] <laptop> probably better to have two dedicated devices in that case, and host an rnode (device) and a standalone wireless lan device; both intercommunicating. But it may be useful to someone, certainly.
[[20:46] <laptop> Saved it just in case.
[[20:51] <JC> Duh, if that is needed to get the Reticulum to work over batman-adv, that's..morbid.
[[21:02] <laptop> I think it just extends the network no? For people who don't have internet access and are in isolated networks.
[[21:02] <laptop> This is a thing too. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=T1itQcdf5cc
[[03:01] <Guest> RNS-over-HTTP supports HTTPS as well, idea is to make it harder to block or behind firewalls etc....
[[03:41] <laptop> Can you give an example use case?
[[04:52] <Ivan> Bypass firewalls with DPI by looking like legitimate HTTPS traffic. The ISP or Firewall just sees you accessing https://totallynotatunnel.com since https it is encrypted with TLS so they cant see that its Reticulum data.
[[04:54] <Ivan> Similar things might be WebTunnel (Tor) and the Hysteria proxy.
[[04:56] <laptop> Ah alright, so I was wrong. Interesting. Isn't reticulum doing something similar simply hosting I2P sites?
[[05:03] <laptop> Well no, I2P is it's own garlic routing, but it does have tunnels from what I've researched.
[[05:10] <laptop> it's a bit confusing to me honestly, not my field of expertise.
[[05:13] <Guest> Yeah no worries, right now dont have time to explain. I need to do a post on my node. Will post here when its ready.
[[05:29] <laptop> If it's anything like tor, and tor is fairly compromised via exit nodes, then it definitely needs a wireshark test.
[[05:30] <laptop> But maybe you know something I don't
[[05:51] <laptop> and the rns encryption is enough
[[08:47] <Frank> good morning!
[[08:47] <Frank> nice discussion :)
[[08:49] <Frank> @Guest of RNS-over-http will you create a github for the project?
[[08:51] <Frank> this and the rns-vpn are 2 really valid project to try!! tor is gone since gov founding ;)
[[09:21] <Luca73> Buongiorno
[[10:04] <Luca73> Ciao franky i messaggi che ti invio non partono prova a verificare.
[[Tue, 11:45] <Frank> ciao @Luca73 , ho aperto da poco dopo aver riavviato, nessun messaggio ricevuto, neanche dopo il sync
[[Tue, 11:46] <Frank> testing the new timestamp format, what do you think guys? like it or not?
[[Tue, 11:46] <Frank> let's see what happens on long messages
[[Tue,11:57] <System> Frank is away. (Status: lunch time!)
[[Tue,13:37] <System> Frank is back! hello! :d
[[Tue,14:11] <Casca> Pasra coi ceci? ;-)
[[Tue,14:22] <Frank> @Casca ...oggi funghi!! $e $e $e
[[Tue,19:52] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: goodnight chat! :)
[[Wed,02:04] <laptop> Dude I didn't even notice it was you, the guy who made ren browser hah https://github.com/Sudo-Ivan/RNS-over-HTTP
[[Wed,02:06] <laptop> I was interested in that browser a while back, because it used to say it had http capability before if I remember correctly.
[[Wed,02:09] <laptop> But after trying my rnodes I realized how had it is to send data over these little devices, so full on http sites seems complicated. Plus I'm beginning to like micron, it's not bloated, it's neat.
[[Wed,02:09] <laptop> how hard it is*
[[Wed,03:34] <Ivan> I am building it to support multiple renderers. So it could support Markdown, HTML or whatever else but someone else will have to add that. My focus is implementing Micron and core stuff to work across platforms..
[[Wed,03:54] <laptop> neat
[[Wed,08:58] <Frank> good morning Reticulum!
[[Wed,08:59] <Frank> hello guys, hi @Ivan , very glad you are here!!!
[[Wed,09:00] <Frank> also writing a nomad browser here because i need it and cannot wait 😅
[[Wed,12:03] <nomad> test!
[[Wed,12:16] <PapaBear> Howdy, greetings from Norway
[[Wed,12:20] <Frank> welcome @PapaBear !
[[Wed,12:37] <Frank> welcome @PapaBear !
[[Wed,12:38] <guest> test
[[Wed,12:43] <PapaBear> thank you @Frank, I am just browsing atm... But will check in regulary
[[Wed,12:44] <Frank> when you want, @PapaBear ! :)
[[Wed,13:49] <LFM-ADMIN> I like it. Looks clean.
[[Wed,13:56] <Frank> welcome @LFM-ADMIN
[[Wed,16:53] <Guest> /$e $e $e $e $e
[[Wed,16:53] <Guest> $e $e $e
[[Wed,16:54] <Guest> $e $e $e
[[Wed,17:07] <Guest> FFtest test
[[Wed,17:12] <Guest> test test
[[Wed,17:16] <Trick> hola!!
[[Wed,17:16] <Trick34> msg er r]
[[Wed,17:17] <Trick34> *Baac asd af faf a
[[Wed,17:18] <Trick34> *Baac asd af faf a
[[Wed,17:42] <laptop> Hola, buenas tardes.
[[Wed,17:46] <Frank> hola laptop!
[[Wed,17:59] <laptop> I see the update, Frank! New landing page.
[[Wed,18:13] <Frank> yess!!
[[Wed,18:13] <Frank> now compatible with NomadNet clients!!!
[[Wed,18:14] <Frank> The ChatRoom v2.0 is officially out now!
[[Wed,18:14] <Frank> $link https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[Wed,18:14] <laptop> sweet
[[Wed,18:34] <laptop> QO-100 waterfall (Click to start sound!) https://eshail.batc.org.uk/nb/
[[Wed,19:08] <laptop> be back later
[[Wed,19:57] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: goodnight reticulum friends!
[[Thu,06:18] <Frank> and good morning
[[Thu,06:44] <laptop> mornin
[[Thu,06:53] <thomas> Good morning / afternoon / evening everyone!
[[Thu,10:07] <Guest> hello
[[Thu,10:17] <rBrowser> i'm coming soon!! stay tuned!!!
[[Thu,16:55] <Frank> FFhow are you folks?
[[Thu,17:21] <Meggy> Fine, tnx. And tnx for v2
[[Thu,17:54] <JC> Good nychthemeron, @thomas.
[[Thu,18:08] <JC> Oh, and others too of course.
[[Thu,18:09] <JC> So, has anyone tested this ren-browser thingie? I got it installed("?") but it doesn't seem to render micron after all.
[[Thu,18:11] <JC> I'm talking about this: https://github.com/Sudo-Ivan/Ren-Browser
[[Thu,18:12] <JC> I think I would have a use for a sort of kiosk-mode slide show viewer thingie for one project and I thought this might've worked.
[[Thu,19:30] <Ivan> Its still a very WIP browser, Flet is a pain. Flet + writing a micron parser/renderer is even harder.
[[Thu,21:13] <Guest> this is cool.
[[Thu,21:25] <Guest> oh so that's why this page didn't load on nomadnet before...
[[Fri,00:32] <laptop> mmmhm
[[Fri,02:44] <laptop> So, "Based Recipes" node. Luke, if it's you brother, welcome home.
[[Fri,02:45] <laptop> :)
[[Fri,03:03] <Lysergic> Good evening everyone.
[[Fri,03:08] <laptop> Hey
[[Fri,08:22] <Luca73> Buongiorno a tutti
[[Fri,08:41] <Frank> FFBuongiorno Chat! Good Morning Room! $e
[[Fri,08:43] <Frank> yeah @Guest , the previous version was only for meshchat due to too complex code to load on nomadnet, with version 2 now we have 2 different version compatible with both clients!
[[Fri,08:44] <Frank> on the index page you can choose the correct interface for your client ;)
[[Fri,08:44] <System> Frank is away. (Status: see you later folks!!)
[[Fri,18:28] <Guest> hey
[[Fri,18:56] <JC> Good nychthemeron, once again, everyone.
[[Fri,19:07] <Frank> hey lap!
[[Fri,19:07] <Frank> hi @JC
[[Fri,19:38] <JC> Hello, hello, boss.
[[Sat,01:27] <Spaceman> add new node yggdrasil target_host = 201:e73a:61ee:ca68:4bc5:99d5:fd70:ded1 target_port = 4343
[[Sat,07:25] <thomas> @JC thanks for teaching me about the existance of the word "nychthemeron"... And good nychthemeron to everyone in the chat!
[[Sat,07:31] <Frank> FFgood morning Reticulum!
[[Sat,07:31] <Frank> have a great weekend guys!!!!
[[Sat,07:33] <Frank> @JC we need a word for 48h to wish a good weekend (sat/sunday) $e
[[Sat,09:07] <savaa> THE chat room, Huh? ;)
[[Sat,10:59] <Guest> oh yes, the chat room!
[[Sat,17:58] <JC> Indeed, The definite chat room.
[[Sat,18:14] <JC> Yeah, that nychthemeron is the scientific term for the 24 hour period, but apparently some languages have a native word for that. English though is not one of them alas.
[[Sat,19:17] <laptop> So does anyone use Translatium? I linked it on my page, it's a translator app image, since I notice people speak different languages in here, it may help, it's a standalone option that doesn't require google or any of that. You can sandbox it too using firejail.
[[Sat,19:17] <laptop> https://appimage.github.io/Translatium/
[[Sat,19:18] <laptop> I dunno, may help someone. I'm off for a while, later.
[[Sat,19:21] <laptop> They also made this thing it seems, I'm way behind. https://lexibird.com/en/translatium
[[Sat,19:21] <laptop> Of course, it is always wise to test these things before regular use.
[[Sat,20:46] <Frank> mhhh...a translator...mhhh... interesting idea coming in my mind for the v2.1...mhh.... $e $e $e
[[Sat,20:56] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: good night folks, have a great saturday night!
[[Sat,21:16] <JC> https:/deepl.com/translate/
[[Sun,02:10] <Guest> I'm not a fan of AI personally, so lexibird, meh. But someone may wanna try it.
[[Sun,02:11] <laptop> above post was me, forgot to change name
[[Sun,07:13] <Ivan> I have a bot that uses offline translation (ArgosTranslate) as well at $link lxmf@d2a119064c0d4755224f70f1d9cb94b1
[[Sun,07:13] <Ivan> hmm $link lxmf@d2a119064c0d4755224f70f1d9cb94b1
[[Sun,07:13] <Ivan> there we go
[[Sun,07:16] <Frank> Good Morning Reticulum!! Have a Great Sunday!!
[[Sun,07:17] <Ivan> Good Morning Frank :)
[[Sun,07:26] <Frank> hey @Ivan , spoiler alert, my idea was exactly this, include an offline translator (probably argostranslate) in the chatroom with /translate <text> <dest-lang> command and optional installation code, install dependencies and language packs only if needed to avoid too mutch resource usage on low mem devices...workinprogress ;)
[[Sun,07:27] <Frank> it's raining here, a great day for some reticulum Sunday projects! $e $e $e
[[Sun,11:15] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank: rbrowser - standalone web-ui nomadnet browser is out now!
[[Sun,11:15] <Frank> Get it now! $link https://github.com/fr33n0w/rBrowser
[[Sun,11:16] <rBrowser> I'm Here! -> $link https://github.com/fr33n0w/rBrowser
[[Sun,14:16] <Guest> rBrowser error CICDA Forums -> 404! You tried accessing data that we do not have. F000Bbbb >BACK TO BOARD VIEW< c1c4d4deec691ad364853ff6c06879ff:/page/boards.mukey=anonymous]bf
[[Sun,15:18] <Frank> yeah, you catched one of the 5% of pages with complex url and parameters that dont works properly, to make it work i should understand how this specific forum page works
[[Sun,15:20] <Frank> maybe, or maybe the content is nor really there
[[Sun,15:27] <JC> (caught)
[[Sun,15:30] <Guest> Hi, page works MeshChat, but rBrowser when you choose Board "all" then hang error 404
[[Sun,15:32] <Guest> But i like rBrowser :)
[[Sun,15:33] <JC> I'm still pondering the kiosk-mode slideshow style test-mode thingie, so that there's a CPU or microcontroller which just about knows how to toss the text on the screen, maybe, meybe even knows how to convert MarkDown to micron on the fly or then just knows knows how to present the micron on VT100 terminal, and the "slides" could be sent over the LoRa. So essentially info screen but instead of using IP over WLAN or Ethernet the updates are sent over LoRa.
[[Sun,15:34] <JC> s/test-mode/text-mode/
[[Sun,15:41] <JC> Hmm, not sure I follow. Looks like rBrowser works just fine with either of the two modes; NomadNet or MeshChat.
[[Sun,15:45] <JC> I don't think I've ever before seen so much emoticons used on a github page. ;)
[[Sun,16:27] <rBrowser> Im rBrowser and i like emotocons!: D
[[Sun,16:45] <Frank> @JC yes, rBrowser works just fine with either of the two modes , its nomadnet that cannot load the chatroom meshchat version due to more complex code under the hood
[[Sun,16:45] <Frank> the nomadnet version is a lighter version of the meshchat one
[[Sun,16:46] <Frank> didnt got this kiosk-mode thing, i'll study better later ;)
[[Sun,16:47] <Frank> @Guest ok so its rBrowser that cannot talk well to that page i'll try to improve it to make work with 100% of the pages in the next release
[[Sun,16:48] <Frank> at the moment 95% works just perfetly, the 5% are using not standard micron input fields or parameters and i need to figure precisely how each page works to implement the correct parameter parsing to remote node
[[Sun,16:49] <Frank> source pages are needed for this!
[[Sun,19:09] <laptop> Translatium officially removed from links, turns out translatium is using google translate in the background so it's gone.
[[Sun,19:12] <laptop> I turned off wifi and tested it without internet wondering why it's a bloated appimage, perhaps containing all possible translations? No, just bloat and google services.
[[Sun,19:12] <laptop> I'm sorry I even suggested it, if anybody has a TRUE stand alone translator, requiring NO internet access, please share.
[[Sun,19:25] <laptop> sudo apt purge Translatium* && sudo apt purge google*
[[Sun,19:25] <laptop> that may help
[[Sun,19:43] <laptop> I see argos translate, you guys suggested that, think I'll link that instead.
[[Sun,19:54] <laptop> but that is honestly equally bloated tbh.. stanza is pretty bulky (an argos requirement)
[[Sun,20:34] <Ivan> Yeah its Neural machine translation so will be bloated. Maybe check out rule-based https://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Installation
[[Sun,21:02] <laptop> sadly no appimage, but much better yes
[[Mon,04:49] <Guest> ............
[[Mon,04:59] <Ivan> Test from rBrowser mobile 😀
[[Mon,05:15] <laptop> and the styling is done in a css file, sweet, we can create unique skins for it then?
[[Mon,05:17] <laptop> It looks great as is really
[[Mon,08:59] <Frank> good morning guys!!
[[Mon,09:07] <Frank> hi @Ivan, i need to improve a bit the mobile layout, i knwo, but it works for now :) @laptop yes, you could skin it, i started making a dark/light theme option switch, i think i will introduce it in next versions :)
[[Mon,09:32] <casca> Eccomi! Ho recovered il Nickname ancehda rBrowser :-)
[[Mon,09:40] <Frank> ciao @casca $e $e $e
[[Mon,15:16] <Ivan> @Frank I am contributing to the project as well to help with what I can :)
[[Mon,15:33] <JC> I'm just overwhelmed by the productivity of you people... *smh*
[[Mon,17:06] <rBrowser> @Ivan just found your pull request on github, great idea!!!thanks!! (Frank from rBrowser :D)
[[Mon,17:56] <thomas> @Ivan thank you legend!
[[Mon,19:32] <thomas> @Ivan PR merged, thank you!
[[Mon,19:38] <Ivan> No problem, happy to help.
[[Tue,05:47] <Frank> FFGood Morning Reticulum!!
[[Tue,05:51] <thomas> Good nychthemeron everyone!
[[Tue,06:09] <Guest> hi there
[[Tue,06:17] <Frank> hi chat! $e $e $e :D
[[Tue,06:21] <Guest> something like zeronet + i2p + gemini protocol
[[Tue,06:22] <Guest> no, i2p -> dapps
[[Tue,06:22] <Guest> I'm using it over Yggdrasil also :)
[[Tue,06:23] <Guest> anyway bookmarked your room, it's my first experience and this community will be my home page
[[Tue,06:24] <Guest> Reticulum looks awesome in this screwed world, seems I start to <3 it.
[[Tue,06:29] <Frank> 💞 💞 💞
[[Tue,11:43] <Frank> if you need reticulum software alternative download:
[[Tue,11:43] <Frank> $link d251bfd8e30540b5bd219bbbfcc3afc5:/page/repo.mu
[[Tue,11:44] <Frank> (i will make an apposite nomadnet for this soon)
[[Tue,14:25] <Guest> Thanks, after connecting few machines together, not I'm learning how to make the page on my node. It seems I want to learn new language called Micron..pff
[[Tue,14:27] <Guest> this .mu format is just for privacy? why not to transfer content bytes directly?
[[Tue,14:27] <Guest> for example md, or just html..
[[Tue,14:28] <cascalora> Bene, sono in LoRa e la pagina risponde bene sf9 bw250
[[Tue,14:29] <Guest> where is repository of this chat implementation?
[[Tue,14:29] <Guest> ah, the link on the main page :) https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[Tue,15:15] <rBrowser> @Guest you can learn the basics of micron here: https://rfnexus.github.io/micron-parser-js/ , the choice of micron instead of html is due to the main idea of reticulum to work in low bandwidth conditions (lora, radio interfaces etc..)
[[Tue,15:15] <rBrowser> please set a nickname :D
[[Tue,15:15] <rBrowser> @cascalora grande!! :D
[[Tue,15:17] <rBrowser> low bandwidth and low resoruce hardare , not attinent with the privacy factor
[[Tue,15:17] <rBrowser> resource*
[[Tue,15:17] <Guest> ah really, thanks much for reminding
[[Tue,15:18] <Guest> about the nickname, will it identify me for this node after fingerprinting or everywhere?
[[Tue,15:18] <rBrowser> hardware* :D i'm loosing keys today :D
[[Tue,15:19] <Guest> and last question: how to simply enable my node to publish simple page and start .mu learning?
[[Tue,15:19] <rBrowser> if you fingerprint it will be saved together with the lxmf address so next time you enter, just press fingerprint again and the nick is automatically recovered
[[Tue,15:20] <Guest> I'm using MeshChat, not NomadNet, not sure if I can to publish page with it..
[[Tue,15:20] <rBrowser> if you change it only in the bottom-left input box it will not be saved in any way, but is temporary, everytime you come here you need to set it again or appear as guest
[[Tue,15:21] <ps> testing nickname change...
[[Tue,15:22] <rBrowser> no you can publish page only on nomadnet or script like rns_server_page by sebastianobi https://github.com/SebastianObi/RNS-Tools/tree/main/rns_server_page
[[Tue,15:22] <rBrowser> meshchat can only browse
[[Tue,15:23] <ps> About me: I'm using wired connection over Yggdrasil network, I'm not radio user, just experimenting with the networks without much of experience :)
[[Tue,15:24] <ps> I know about ZeroNet, NomadNet looks similar but privacy-oriented (such as Gemini protocol / Gemtext)
[[Tue,15:24] <rBrowser> you need to install nomadnet or this script and put the index.mu file in the correct folder for nomadnet usually in user/.nomadnet/storage/pages
[[Tue,15:25] <rBrowser> going back to work guys, see you soon!!
[[Tue,15:25] <System> rBrowser is away. (Status: busy day!)
[[Tue,15:25] <ps> rBrowser, thank you!
[[Tue,15:48] <ps> which file should I backup to keep my identity keys? sorry if lot of questions...
[[Tue,15:48] <ps> as understand the private key stored somewhere in ~/.reticulum
[[Tue,15:51] <ps> would be funny if I run the node which is linked to this dir :D
[[Tue,15:55] <ps> anyway, I found MeshChat super useful, finally I got how to interact with this network. With NomadNet is was not clear for me.
[[Tue,17:23] <Frank> yeah nomadnet is very nerdy old school, meshchat is better, rBrower is best.... https://github.com/fr33n0w/rBrowser
[[Tue,17:27] <Frank> mhh identity is stored in /.reticulum folder usually, or .reticulumstorageidentities its a file without extension
[[Tue,17:27] <Frank> meshchat saves it in: /.reticulum-meshchat same faile called "identity"
[[Tue,17:33] <JC> @ps Take a look at this converter from MarkDown to micron; https://github.com/randogoth/md2mu
[[Tue,17:35] <JC> Oh yeah, and good nychthemeron to @thomas and everyone.
[[Tue,17:38] <rBrowser> good decameron to everyone! :D
[[Tue,17:38] <JC> Hmm, yeah, the user interface of NomadNet is a bit complex, but then again it's a text-only UI for traditional screens with a limited landscape.
[[Tue,17:46] <rBrowser> exactly @JC , if you get used to it, also nomadnet is nice!! on raspi with no desktop enviroment its a good way to interact with nomadnets (sites) and lxmf (chat) protocols!
[[Tue,17:51] <ps> Frank, JC, thanks guys I just received your messages after 3 hours (when browsing fullchat.mu)
[[Tue,17:58] <ps> rBrowser looks awesome, that's exatcly that I want!
[[Tue,17:59] <rBrowser> i am awesome!! $e $e $e
[[Tue,17:59] <Frank> :D
[[Tue,18:01] <ps> about identity, I found it in ~/reticulum-meshchat/storage/identity (thanks for your tips)
[[Tue,18:02] <ps> ~/reticulum-meshchat is where I've build the app and running it from (WorkingDir)
[[Tue,18:02] <ps> Hope this is really it :D
[[Tue,18:03] <ps> Looks like everyone coding here in Python
[[Tue,18:04] <ps> I'm currently coding in Rust and GTK
[[Tue,18:06] <ps> Just interesting: does Reticulum protocol store the data somewhere in swarms / DHT or the data transfered removed after delivery to the destination?
[[Tue,18:08] <ps> It looks like protocol implements decentralization on transport only, then it is depending of app implementation (e.g. rBrowser, NomadNet, MeshChat, etc)
[[Tue,18:09] <ps> My profile folder is not growing even I've enabled transport mode in Reticulum
[[Tue,18:11] <ps> Other apps like Zeronet stores data after read, then retransmit it. Seems, that Reticulum + LXMF work as client-client-..-server, and same in reverse.
[[Tue,18:17] <ps> About micron: did you heard about the Gemini protocol and Gemtext? Pretty cool tech and would be compatible with Reticulum ecosystem as minimalistic https://geminiprotocol.net
[[Tue,18:18] <ps> Compatible in size context, and privacy. But it is definitively classic IP client-server model impl.
[[Tue,18:19] <ps> it is something about the Gopher, in other words.
[[Tue,18:20] <ps> I spent few years to learn this 'simple' protocol and finally I'm here, and know nothing about Reticulum. Long road this internet, never ends in experience.
[[Tue,18:23] <ps> Identity: 64 bytes file, right?
[[Tue,18:24] <ps> Just won't lost access to my account here :p
[[Tue,18:37] <laptop> meshchat identity is in -cd .reticulum-meshchat, you copy that an replace the identity file in a new install.
[[Tue,18:39] <laptop> nomadnet id is in - cd .nomadnetwork/storage. Same operation, copy it, and replace a new install. Making sure to back up the .mu files inside .nomadnet/storage/pages and .nomadnet/storage/files.
[[Tue,18:41] <laptop> then, once you've replaced your new install ID with your old (original id) you can simply dump the .mu files in their respective folder (/files /pages).
[[Tue,18:42] <rBrowser> mhh briefly, its a peer 2 peer based link, so even if you do transport, the final data are stored only on the destination device, no data elsewhere, and its all encrypted and decrypted only on your local machine, its a huge protocol, its not easy to understand it in full!! mark is a genius!!
[[Tue,18:42] <ps> thanks, I maybe will copy entire the profile dir even with cache :)
[[Tue,18:44] <ps> rBrowser, haha I would like to try :D
[[Tue,18:45] <rBrowser> in my experience iv never lost an identity, never had any issues about it, so never baked it up...in case you miss it there is no problem, it will be generated a new one, set your username and is done, its a bit like static vs dynamic ips
[[Tue,18:47] <ps> rBrowser, as understand identity is the private key, if I lost it, then can't sign myself to identify myself somewhere like this chat (by sign the fingerprint)
[[Tue,18:48] <ps> I can lost it with access to VPS (where my node is running) maybe you are running it locally, who knows
[[Tue,18:55] <laptop> Or you can just say....it's me! and then everyone will know it's you. Because there's like 5-6 people who talk in here, so yeah heh
[[Tue,19:07] <ps> sure, just globally, fundamentally interesting where is my data. it is important moment in cryptoworld, especially if I want to publish the 'website' later, using it.
[[Tue,19:08] <ps> 5-6 people? haha, like everywhere! 5-6 people is more than expected :D
[[Tue,19:13] <laptop> Well there are other chatrooms as well now, but mostly very few people active. Batumi is another.
[[Tue,19:13] <laptop> 585f25214d432629c509e176ce7d386f:/page/index.mu
[[Tue,19:13] <laptop> not active at the moment sadly
[[Tue,19:15] <ps> thanks, bookmarked
[[Tue,19:16] <ps> i'm wtriting articles by the my experience way, maybe some people join
[[Tue,19:17] <JC> I think he means regulars chatting here, who bother to use any kind of permanent nicks.
[[Tue,19:17] <ps> i have some party in yggdrasil (mesh) net, but there is also few people
[[Tue,19:20] <ps> batumi room, georgia?)
[[Tue,19:20] <JC> The id may not be so important to this chat but if you, say, for instance set up remote access to other computers using rnx or rnsh it'll be quite crucial. Like losing your ssh keys or the password.
[[Tue,19:21] <ps> jc, yes + for website id (if I publish the node)
[[Tue,19:22] <ps> as understand wihout key I cant sign the server hash
[[Tue,19:22] <ps> hash == domain
[[Tue,19:24] <JC> As in HTTPS, SSL and certificates and all that? Yes.
[[Tue,19:27] <JC> Apropos, @Frank. You better make note of the exact date you opened this, while you still can and remember. Next year by that time we can celebrate the first birthday of the baby.
[[Tue,19:27] <laptop> I used to browse yggdrasil often, but then i went on i2pd + retroshare for a while, then just i2p, but this I find more active and sanitized in comparison, which is nice.
[[Tue,19:30] <ps> yggdrasil and i2p have different goals; ygg is VPN when i2p is anon layer
[[Tue,19:31] <laptop> ygg sadly didn't have a lot of content, and the little content it did have was mostly in Russian, and I couldn't understand it.
[[Tue,19:31] <ps> and reticulim is latency-resistant, IP-less network protocol. everything over that is just daps
[[Tue,19:34] <ps> yggdrasil for me is useful to build the network without provider restrictions, I'm running and using torrents over it + connecting i2p without direct access to its nodes (via provider) same for tor, same for reticulum.
[[Tue,19:35] <ps> never using ygg for content research, there is nothing to read, such as in the geminispace or even here... it could not be comparing to the www
[[Tue,19:37] <ps> about the reticulum, I found it interesting in the alternative to IP. unfortunately I can't test this tech in radio context because it's no time for signal emission in my area.
[[Tue,19:39] <laptop> I like the feel of ygg too, the only downside felt was the limited amount of content, which lefts face it, ALL of these types of anon systems suffer from, even here -nomadnet pages go down, come up, disappear forever, etc. And I guess that has to do with learning curve, adoption rate, and every other factor but eh, what can we do. It IS easier to find people here, unlike most of the other places (except maybe RetroShare) you'd have to join some xmpp server or find an imageboard to share an ID or something. Not here, everything and everyone is easy to find.
[[Tue,19:40] <laptop> let's face it* sorry
[[Tue,19:45] <ps> I need some time for learning, everything looks new it's my first day here. Thanks guys for yours help as reading the docs is not always clear, human support and the community has it value! Glad this place is live
[[Tue,19:47] <laptop> There are other programs too, but they serve very different purposes. I mean old P2P style file sharing programs that include chat interface. But here it's mostly radio community and an internet alternative, which is neat.
[[Tue,19:47] <ps> if somebody running the node for ygg, just let me know anyhow, because I connected with only one available here: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/services.html#reticulum-nodes
[[Tue,19:47] <laptop> c ya
[[Tue,19:49] <ps> also, here is my node, but it is connected to only one above 202:68d0:f0d5:b88d:1d1a:555e:2f6b:3148 port 4242 proto tcp
[[Tue,19:50] <ps> and one for mycelium (yet another mesh in rust) 505:6847:c778:61a1:5c6d:e802:d291:8191 port 4242 proto tcp
[[Wed,09:16] <Frank> good morning chat!
[[Wed,09:17] <Frank> whts happening here :D
[[Wed,09:23] <Frank> yeah for the identity @JC clarified it well, if you want to make a fixed service, keep it safe, if you just browse or explore the network its not a problem changing it
[[Wed,09:24] <Frank> neither for this chat, if you change identity and fingerprint again with the same nick, your new lxmf address will be associated with the set nick that can be the old one with the new id, its not a registration here, it's only made to save the nick to avoid inserting it everytime you join
[[Wed,09:30] <Frank> identity is used by the reticulum stack layer to enter the network and it contains: identity hash, primary encryption keys, lxmf hash address, display name and some other secondary optional parameters if set by the app that creates the ident (appname, display icon for meshchat and sideband, telemetry in sideband etc)
[[Wed,09:31] <Frank> for other networks i know just a little, i tested some retiulum gemini / gopher proxy found on nomadnet, but never used personally
[[Wed,10:21] <ps> why nobody host the classic websites over Reticulum? I believe it's possible, because there is no different which bytes to send, even larger
[[Wed,10:22] <ps> or there is packet size restriction?
[[Wed,10:22] <ps> Not sure I want to use this Micron, or adapt existing resources (Gemtext) to it as already small.
[[Wed,10:25] <ps> and about Micron, it's Reticulum (transport level) or LXMF (interaction level) level?
[[Wed,10:26] <ps> If LXMF level, so I can use Reticulum to transport regular HTML files, right?
[[Wed,14:54] <Frank> its nomadnet protocol, another protocol on top of the reticulum stack, its made for low bandwidth, low resource hardware, as already told here, the official client is the "nomadnet" app, as you can see its so bare, and includes the micron parser that is a very small parsing lib to render pages. html rendering will be huge to implement in a client, and produce higher bandwidth traffic. its also a choice by the author in the end
[[Wed,14:56] <Frank> reticulum is a stack on which you can implement mostly everything, if you can program and its not excluded that in future will be out some html page server and clients coming!
[[Wed,14:58] <Frank> im a webdesigner, imagine what i can do with html...but for the moment i learnt micron that i never heard before the reticulum adventure!
[[Wed,15:00] <Frank> and the micron its only the graphic part!! .mu pages can be written in python (like this chatroom for example) or bash scripts
[[Wed,15:02] <Frank> reticulum is intended also for emergency or completely off grid situations in mind. imagine the bandwidth of a lora infrastructure or kiss radio modems...you cannot generate huge traffic as html does!!
[[Wed,15:03] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: see you later!!
[[Wed,17:39] <JC> @ps If you are familiar with the OSI model, I'd say Reticulum itself goes to the Media layers, and LXMF to Host layers, perhaps comparable to HTTP on the Application layer, but I don't want to speculate, as TCP/IP for instance does not really follow OSI model as it predates it.
[[Wed,17:42] <JC> @Frank Hmm, doesn't seem that I used any of those trigger words.
[[Wed,17:43] <JC> For the spam, that is.
[[Wed,17:46] <JC> @pa Once agan, here is the link to the MarkDown to Micron converter; https://github.com/randogoth/md2mu
[[Wed,17:48] <JC> @ps And Reticulum really doesn't care what you transport over it.
[[Wed,17:50] <JC> Personally I don't see much sense reinventing the wheel with some Gemtext if Gopher is already invented.
[[Wed,17:55] <JC> And when it comes to the NomadNet it is just the model client with some basic features for the text screen.
[[Wed,18:22] <Frank> hey @JC the spam notice is only local and blocks the message, we cannot see it in chat and is not logged anywhere, maybe did you note the words that triggered the antispam? i can remove them in the filter code
[[Wed,18:22] <Frank> let me know, maybe writing them here like: s e x to avoid another block :D
[[Wed,18:23] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: dinner time!
[[Wed,22:59] <JC> @Frank Yeah, but that's just it, I don't think I used any of the words it listed.
[[Wed,23:01] <khimaros> hello mesh
[[Wed,23:34] <ps> thanks for answers, got it!
[[Thu,00:01] <laptop> hello welcome
[[Thu,07:36] <Frank> god morning Reticulum!! :)
[[Thu,08:03] <laptop> gm
[[Thu,11:30] <casca> Good afternoon (CEST) Sirs!
[[Thu,14:58] <Frank> a voi! :D
[[Thu,17:52] <JC> Good nychthemeron to everyone and their dogs and grannies.
[[Thu,20:49] <Frank> 🧑🏫 🧑🍳 🧑🌾 🧑🚒 🧑⚕️
[[Thu,20:49] <Frank> good night folks, see you tomorrow!! :)
[[Fri,07:21] <Frank> Καλημέρα σε όλους!
[[Fri,08:32] <Luca73> Good morning
[[Fri,12:41] <nrrdio> Happy Friday
[[Fri,12:47] <nrrdio> ah now i see how to retain a name
[[Fri,12:52] <nrrdio> Is there a way to keep this chat open somewhere while also exploring other nodes?
[[Fri,12:52] <nrrdio> I guess it depends on my client. I'm using MeshChat.
[[Fri,15:00] <JC> @laptop You wouldn't happen to have the link? I think I saw a cake recipe for a headless Raspi with MeshChat you could use remotely with browser.
[[Fri,15:03] <JC> @nrrdio You can of course use several browser tabs in which you can leave one page/site open and browse another one on the next tab.
[[Fri,15:04] <JC> Ah yes, and good current nychthemeron to everyone.
[[Fri,15:04] <JC> Incidentally, where is @thomas.
[[Fri,15:45] <laptop> @JC https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=T1itQcdf5cc
[[Fri,18:01] <thomas> @JC apologies for the delay, and good nychthemeron to you too! ;)
[[Fri,18:05] <JC> @laptop Yes, I thought it was you who tossed that.
[[Fri,18:05] <JC> @thomas o/
[[Fri,18:07] <JC> Now afterwards, I remember even downloading that for later watching.
[[Fri,18:12] <JC> Talking of videos, "Quake on an oscilloscope" https://youtu.be/aMli33ornEU
[[Fri,20:00] <rBrowser> hey folks! @nrrdio you can use rBrowser with its multi tab navigation and open as many pages as you want! :)
[[Fri,20:13] <Guest> link in topic
[[Sat,01:59] <nrrdio> Ah ha! thank you
[[Sat,02:08] <nrrdio> That was pretty painless.
[[Sat,02:27] <nrrdio> so what's the most active locations on reticulum?
[[Sat,03:08] <Guest> Sup
[[Sat,03:10] <nrrdio> @laptop that video is quite inspiring. I happen to have a couple 02W's laying around. I should start trying to ramp myself up on the hardware side of this. I'm just exploring TCP for now, having discovered reticulum yesterday.
[[Sat,04:13] <laptop> @nrrdio I used to have a zero w, ran PirateBox over it, fun project, learned a lot tinkering with it.
[[Sat,06:51] <Frank> good morning Reticulum!! Have a great weekend!!
[[Sat,07:29] <laptop> eyyy
[[Sat,08:13] <thomas> Have a fantastic weekend, everyone!
[[Sat,16:34] <JC> Good nychthemeron everyone.
[[Sat,16:39] <JC> I was just wondering, is there any de facto list of gateway nodes? I have couple of dozen in my config and I've pruned off the oness that show offline. What I'm thinking of is a handy list to copy to a new node. Dublin Testnet is a good starting point sure, but as its name implies it may not always be reachable so it alone on the list would be the one point of failure.
[[Sat,16:44] <JC> Hmm, single point of failure I believe the phrase is. Why did I write one.
[[Sat,16:49] <JC> Apropos, why hasn't anyone made a Wikisource portal, or a portal to Gutenberg plain texts.
[[Sat,18:09] <Frank> hey @JC , on rmap.world you can find user posted rnsd or so called tcp interfaces (the gateway you are looking for)
[[Sat,18:11] <Frank> the spots in red, you can filter the list with the bottom bar (on desktop pc only, not from mobile) to look only at the rnsd nodes
[[Sat,18:12] <Frank> having a couple of tcp server is ok, having too mutch of them in the list can create trobules (if there is some not working or not updated node in the middle of a connection, you can't reach the destination)
[[Sat,18:13] <Frank> so its better to have a maximum of 4 , 5 perfectly working tcp servers than 100...
[[Sat,18:15] <Frank> there is also the "transport" function enabled on some nodes...for example host: rmap.world port 4242, that is connected to almost 30 other tcp nodes and with the transport enabled, when you connect to it, you receive the traffic of all other "gateways", so 1 server only that routes other servers to you
[[Sat,18:16] <Frank> (it was connected to more than 50 tcp servers worldwide, but i had to remove many of them, manually, one by one, due to unupdated servers that was causing trobules in the middle)
[[Sat,18:17] <Frank> so use a couple of testnet server found on the reticulum manual and add also rmap.world and you'll see more nodes and traffic and also have a backup connection if one goes down, its more than sufficient in this way
[[Sat,18:18] <Frank> you you want to find more of them by yourself, explore rmap.world web and search on nomadnet and on the official manual
[[Sat,18:19] <Frank> https://rmap.world/ has 30 nodes uploaded by users, you need to verify if they are still working, some could be down
[[Sat,18:19] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: dinner time!
[[Sat,19:11] <JC> Thank you @Frank. I was thinking of and knew you'd refer me to RMAP. Looks like I have some half a dozen active gateways. Maybe I'll stick to Testnet and RMAP as starter gateways for new nodes. One can always add them later if need be.
[[Sat,19:51] <laptop> I had 10 running with no problem.
[[Sat,20:06] <JC> I suppose it depends much on what kind of hardware are you running it on, how much does it have memory. For something like Raspi Zero it might be strunggle to run too many. I don't know, I haven't tried and hence have had no problems.
[[Sat,20:49] <Frank> no its not an hardware problem, there are some outdated servers that are not compatible anymore with the new rns v1.0.0 due to aes256 implementation. make this experiment: navigate some nomadnet pages...sometimes you encounter nodes that announces themself on the network but they are not reachable when you try to navigate them. it's caused by some server in the middle that has transport enabled but with outadated version of rns. you still see announces that are not crypted and sent broadcast, but when you try to connect the link don't happen with the destination for the mentioned problem, you have aes 256, server in the middle of connection not anc link fails to create
[[Sat,20:50] <Frank> every server owner should update to rns v1.0.0 to resolve that problem!!
[[Sat,20:53] <Frank> when you find one of that nomadnet that are not reachable, verify the hops info for that node and probably the server that you get as last hop is the outdated server (or between you and the last hop there is some outdated server in the middle and in this case is very hard to understand where is the broken link unfortunately!)
[[Sat,20:55] <Frank> in contrary case, if you can reach 100% of the announced nomadnets, your tcp interfaces are perfectly working and the owner has them updated. testned nodes are mostly all up to date, especially them in the *.reticulum domain, other we cannot know, but if you get that issue, you can know that the problem is this.
[[Sat,20:55] <Frank> sorry for my bad english, i hope i was clear enough :D
[[Sat,20:59] <Frank> on my pi zero w i had more than 50 tcp server interfaces, no problem at all, the problem started with the new update, the connection started to have problems because of the outdated servers in the middle and i removed all of them and recreating a new collection with working servers tested one by one :D (now i have about 10, less but trusted and 100% working)
[[Sun,14:12] <nrrdio> The concept was clear enough to me. It's interesting that something so resilient can also be so delicate at the same time. I suppose that's the nature of being resilient through flexibility (as reticulum is) versus being resilient through strength (like the traditional internet).
[[Sun,18:12] <rBrowser> the problem is not in the stack, its in people that haven't updated, before rns v1.0.0 it was still in beta, from v1 we have the real protocol, with improved encryption also. everyone should update, the weakness is in people that abandoned their tcp servers somewhere without upgradine and with transport enabled, so they route traffic but dont permit link connections, breaking the network and our bal** :D
[[Sun,18:16] <rBrowser> it could be simple to solve, in next releases: add a version output in the tcp server interface and a verification in connection handshake phase, if server is outdated or non responding to version, aviod them in the hop route. i need to study better this behaviour and maybe create an issue on mark github, but its a blind test, we cannot know precisely, but just guessing and with trial and errors, what is the not working server in the middle
[[Sun,18:53] <GueGrayOwl> Frank, rBrowser is such a useful tool! Thank you for your work on it
[[Sun,18:54] <GrayOwl> It brings nomadnet page viewing to mobile. Very well done
[[Sun,19:26] <Frank> thank you @GrayOwl !!! i'm very glad to hear it!!! :))) (the mobile layout version should be improved a bit, i know, but the interface has become imponent with all the features inserted and it's not easy to fit in a small screen device also rendering can vary from mobile to mobile. tablets are fine, i'll try to adapt it better on mobiles but already did my best at the moment)
[[Sun,21:31] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: good night folks!
[[Sun,22:29] <SPOOKY> hey
[[Sun,22:51] <laptop> hello
[[Mon,02:03] <mine> i haven't been active in a while is there a nomad browser for android?
[[Mon,02:10] <laptop> you can actually install nomadnet in termux, but apparently rBrowser works on mobile from what I'm reading in here.
[[Mon,02:17] <mine> cool, ill look into it.
[[Mon,02:43] <laptop> Downside is, I've never been able to use an rnode over nomadnet on mobile, a termux limitation if I remember correctly. But there's always sideband.
[[Mon,07:30] <Frank> good morning reticulum!!
[[Mon,07:32] <laptop> gm
[[Mon,08:41] <Frank> gm @laptop!!
[[Mon,09:11] <thomas> Hey everyone!
[[Mon,10:05] <User> o
[[Mon,11:39] <Frank> hi @thomas!!!! :))
[[Mon,12:13] <rBrowser> hello world!
[[Mon,13:41] <Guest> hi
[[Mon,13:48] <Guest> test
[[Mon,14:41] <Guest> s
[[Mon,14:50] <rBrowser> test received! @Guest
[[Mon,18:17] <Frank> yeah
[[Mon,20:04] <rBrowser> New rBrowser update is here!! -> https://github.com/fr33n0w/rBrowser (Fixed link
fields parsing, now 100% of nomadnet pages are working!! improved mobile device
s UI!!)
[[Mon,21:04] <laptop> Sweet!
[[Mon,22:22] <JC> Seeing these on the terminal still: Error] Could not decode display name in included announce data. The contained exception was: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'
[[Tue,05:17] <EchoMike1> Does this work on iphone aswell?
[[Tue,06:23] <thomas> Great stuff! @JC that's an interesting one, do you mind sharing the full error to my address 62d6ecac2fa25689106d3bb7a90d1f3a please? Then we can look into that!
[[Tue,06:23] <thomas> @EchoMike1 it has not been tested, but you could technically use iSH on iPhone. It may require some fiddling, but it should be doable...
[[Tue,07:45] <Frank> good morning folks!!
[[Tue,07:46] <Frank> welcome to the q/a forum $e $e $e :)
[[Tue,07:48] <Frank> @JC i can see from what you posted that the error starts with Error] etc... so it's an error from the reticulum log and not from rbrowser, with more details we can inspect this...did you install all requirements.txt? pip install -r requirements.txt
[[Tue,07:50] <laptop> Mornin.
[[Tue,07:54] <Frank> @EchoMike1 i'm not an ios guy, so i didn't test it, if you have a terminal and python on the iphone you can try to launch the pithon script and access the localhost:5000 with a web browser. maybe with iSH as told by @thomas . another option: you could run the script on another machine and access the web UI from the phone with the web browser pointing to that machine http://ip:port
[[Tue,08:14] <thomas> Hey @laptop, hey @Frank :)
[[Tue,08:19] <Frank> gm @thomas :)))))
[[Tue,08:23] <laptop> hey man
[[Tue,08:29] <laptop> Frank, I've tried everythiiiing...I can't get LXST to work, I see some kind of codec error...
[[Tue,08:33] <laptop> doesn't recognize module Pipeline or Codec, Raw
[[Tue,08:41] <laptop> even the setup.py wont run
[[Tue,08:45] <Frank> gm @laptop , i stopped the lxst experiments due to many more new projects, i'll retry when possible. to make it work we need to open sources and understand how the lxst protocol and the examples works because there are not many precise info available right now
[[Tue,08:54] <laptop> ah well, someday
[[Tue,17:52] <JC> Oh yes, it's not just rBrowser. I assume all the logging is done to the terminal, but there is really nothing more to that error.
[[Tue,17:53] <JC> Oh yeah, and hello guys.
[[Tue,17:54] <JC> I understood the phone thingie makes use of LXST?
[[Tue,19:14] <laptop> Phone thingie on meshchat? Dunno. Here's what I DO know!.... when i type "python3 ./pipeline.py codec2" it begins some kind of process, but it gives me 3 separate errors..
[[Tue,19:47] <laptop> it locks up almost immediately, nothing happens
[[Tue,20:44] <laptop> no wait...nevermind that was actually just my terminal appearing to lock up, but nothing actually happens
[[Tue,21:02] <Omgnw> Sup
[[Tue,21:05] <laptop> nm
[[Tue,21:08] <Omgnw> Cc just checking out this chat it’s pretty slick
[[Wed,07:19] <Frank> FFgood morning folks!!!! :)))
[[Wed,07:20] <Frank> gm @ JC, gm @laptop, tnx @Omgnw
[[Wed,07:20] <laptop> mornin
[[Wed,07:28] <Frank> @JC ah ok, the error doesn't prevent the script to run?its the reticulum error log as said, i think i understood what is but i need to find the cause to solve (if possible)...its caused by emoji in some node names, when decoding the node name from an announce to text string, we try to decode the emoji also that is already a decoded ascii string, so decoding a decoded string gives that error but is not a critical issue as it seems to be
[[Wed,07:30] <laptop> A slash (/) auto reload feature might help the chat, a simple countdown that the user can trigger until the page refreshes by itself.
[[Wed,07:30] <laptop> But maybe it's not possible on micron? I dunno..
[[Wed,07:46] <laptop> If I remember correctly you mentioned a micron limitation was automatically updating the text, but an auto page refresh may be possible.
[[Wed,07:54] <laptop> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16399355/refresh-a-local-web-page-using-python
[[Wed,07:55] <laptop> last comment might be the answer
[[Wed,07:57] <Frank> @laptop unfortunately is not possible, an auto-reload feature should be implemented first in the clients (nomadnet meshchat etc..) , the page itself is a subprocess of the clients so cannot interact with it for now.....maybe i can implement it on rbrowser.... :)
[[Wed,07:59] <laptop> Well, if it doesn't work here, at least it may help someone.
[[Wed,08:03] <Frank> idea: autoreload function on the browser that detects a tag on the page so it will automatically apply the autoreload only on the page with that code in it...but it could be a problem if you are writing a message at reload time, you could potentially loose what was writing....added a new work in progress...stay tuned!! :))
[[Wed,08:07] <laptop> you're right, it's probably a bad idea, it could erase a message
[[Wed,08:08] <laptop> Honestly, it's fine as it is right now, just thought an ease of use case would help, but you make a good point, could be something lengthy being written and then it gets deleted automatically.
[[Wed,08:42] <thomas> @laptop @Frank we should be able to do autoreload in rBrowser, and just before we run it, we should be able to scan all fields, store them in local storage, refresh and put them back where they were... that would somehow simulate a background auto-refresh...
[[Wed,08:58] <laptop> hey thomas
[[Wed,09:03] <Luca73> Hallo
[[Wed,09:06] <laptop> hello, welcome
[[Wed,09:10] <Luca73> hello
[[Wed,09:44] <laptop> later
[[Wed,10:12] <Frank> ciao @thomas si quello che stavo pensando!! salvare temporaneamente gli input, cercando di recuperarli dai field con python o javascript, non da os env che senza premere il link non vengono inviati, si può fare ;)
[[Wed,10:12] <Frank> ciao @Luca73!!! Hello :))))
[[Wed,10:19] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB! Message: later!
[[Wed,10:50] <thomas> @Frank esatto... beh sarà di certo javascript dato che è lato client, non che non si possa fare in altro modo, ma di certo è il modo più veloce, semplice ed efficiente! ;)
[[Thu,02:07] <laptop> @Frank there again, it definitely CAN work if a person is able to both activate it and turn it off, since most of the time the chat is inactive.
[[Thu,08:50] <iacore> Hi!
[[Thu,08:53] <Frank> /good morning chat!!!
[[Thu,08:53] <Frank> hi @iacore welcome!
[[Thu,08:54] <Frank> giusto, javascript frontend!! @thomas :D
[[Thu,08:55] <Frank> hi @laptop , yes, double options: auto activate if page has the trigger, user button to enable or disable it, work in progress ;)
[[Thu,09:12] <iacore> Do you guys have MeshChat always open? Is there a way to get system notification for this BBS?
[[Thu,09:14] <iacore> What is :/page/meshchat.muusername|message
[[Thu,09:14] <iacore> ~!@#$%^&*():";',.<>
[[Thu,09:15] <iacore> Some characters are escaped by this chat room.
[[Thu,09:16] <iacore> Is there a easy to read tutorial page to make a Micron site, with GET/POST (the equivalent)?
[[Thu,11:22] <System> iacore is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Thu,13:30] <Guest> /ver
[[Thu,14:40] <FKrob> Un saluto dopo molto tempo... sto provando rBrowser e sono soddisfatto...!
[[Thu,14:41] <FKrob> Testing rBrowser on a Chromebook Linux environment...
[[Thu,15:00] <FKrob> @Frank ci sei?
[[Thu,15:39] <Guest_5ec9> Hello!
[[Thu,17:09] <FKrob> Test
[[Thu,20:29] <Frank> heyy @FKrob e allora benvenuto su rBrowser e sulla chatroom!! :)
[[Thu,20:31] <Frank> @iacore i have meshchat always open, no it's not possible to have notifications, these are nomadnet pages, you have notifications only for the lxmf chat
[[Thu,20:32] <Frank> @iacore that link is the link that recovers user input field and send to the page that gets the data, username is the nick and message is the.......message!! :D
[[Thu,20:33] <Frank> of course it needs to escape micron formatting or users can break the page
[[Thu,20:36] <Frank> i think there are no tutorial for complex pages, they are made in python and micron, no get/post methods here, you can take a look at already made pages like the chatroom and others to learn how they works
[[Thu,20:37] <Frank> hello @Guest_5ec9 welcome, set a nickname in the bottom bar and click the reload button to save it! :)
[[Thu,20:37] <Frank> good night folks, it was a hard day!!
[[Thu,20:37] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: night!
[[Fri,07:07] <Frank> good morning reticulum! :)
[[Fri,10:35] <Guest> heya
[[Fri,12:44] <Casca> rBrowser: a must have to start exploring (and expanding) reticulum galaxy :-)
[[Fri,12:46] <Casca> </flattery mode> ;-)
[[Fri,12:51] <Frank> $e $e $e :)
[[Fri,13:35] <Guest> Ciao
[[Fri,14:35] <System> NOTICE FROM rBrowser: rbrowser repo has new updates!!!
[[Fri,14:37] <rBrowser> new updates and features in the latest version: fixed a bug in the search engine results, improved search engine functionality, added the requested Page Auto-Reload Timer for dynamic page contents like the chatroom :)
[[Fri,14:38] <rBrowser> get the new version at: $link https://github.com/fr33n0w/rBrowser
[[Fri,14:39] <rBrowser> if you need to update, open terminal in the rbroser folder and digit "git pull" then launch the script or docker container as usual.
[[Fri,14:39] <rBrowser> 🧁 🐸 🎧 🌪 🤡 🐨 💘 🧠 🛸 🥭
[[Fri,15:52] <FKrob> Buonasera a tutti
[[Fri,16:34] <FKrob> Nessuno che legge???
[[Fri,16:52] <thomas> Good nychthemeron everyone! @FKrob buonasera a te!
[[Fri,17:03] <Frank> sera a tutti, letto adesso @FKrob!
[[Fri,17:03] <Frank> ciao thom @thomas :)
[[Fri,17:58] <laptop> it works!
[[Fri,17:58] <laptop> pretty sweet
[[Fri,17:58] <laptop> and it doesn't even erase the text either, even better than I expected
[[Fri,17:59] <laptop> thanks man, this definitely helps users
[[Fri,18:15] <Frank> hey @laptop thank you, very apreciated comment!! :)) yes, it saves the field content and re-insert it in the input field when page reloads ;)
[[Fri,18:16] <Frank> its amazing for the chatroom, mine is always active now ahahah :D thanks for the idea contribution!!! :)
[[Fri,18:19] <Frank> and its confined on the page tab where it was activated, this way you can activate multiple timers in more pages if needed and acts only on the page that you want, not globally for all the browser pages :)
[[Fri,18:21] <Frank> please dont abuse of it on other nodes, on the chatroom there is no problem, it runs on a vps, so we dont have traffic problems, but could be problematic for traffic generation triggering pages multiple times on nodes connected to rnode, radio modems etc
[[Fri,18:22] <Frank> also for the search engine...if its not needed, disable it for the same reason ;)
[[Fri,18:39] <laptop> yeah definitely
[[Fri,18:46] <laptop> I should learn python, I was too focused on html/css stuff to ever bother. I think if I could get LXST to work, that alone would be amazing, then maybe set up an audio player page that users can play around with. Apparently the tone generator works so creating filters shouldn't be too difficult, it's just interfacing them that is the real question... there could be a coplex synthesizer interface with recording capability for example.
[[Fri,18:47] <laptop> Like a modular synth.
[[Fri,18:48] <laptop> complex*
[[Fri,19:01] <laptop> but perhaps that's a bit optimistic, I dunno, there are certainly limitations to the technology
[[Fri,19:48] <Frank> my idea was to create a streaming radio like service :)
[[Fri,19:49] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank: announcing new nomadnet service!!!!!
[[Fri,19:50] <Frank> The Nomad Index is born! Nomadnet Node Indexing & Search Engine
[[Fri,19:50] <Frank> THE NOMAD INDEX: $link 47850a3b99243cfb1147e8856bab2691:/page/index.mu
[[Fri,19:51] <Frank> The Nomad Index is born! Nomadnet Node Indexing & Search Engine
[[Fri,19:55] <Frank> add it to your favorite nodes! :D
[[Fri,20:45] <Ivan> very cool
[[Sat,03:11] <laptop> saved
[[Sat,03:33] <laptop> This is an older project worth mentioning in here. https://disaster.radio/
[[Sat,07:54] <Frank> good morning guys :)
[[Sat,07:54] <Frank> tnx @Ivan :* hello @laptop :)
[[Sat,16:50] <FKrob> Ciao @Frank ho provato adesso l'Index, ottimo!
[[Sat,19:53] <Guest> hi
[[Sat,19:58] <laptop> eyy
[[Sat,20:17] <JC> 'Ullo
[[Sat,21:48] <Frank> hi folks! very busy day!! i wish you a great saturday night! ciao amici, è stata una dura giornata, buon sabato sera a tutti, a domani!!!
[[Sat,21:48] <Frank> grazie @FKrob :***
[[Sat,21:49] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: buonanotte! goodnight!
[[Sat,21:50] <rain> Hello from Sao Miguel, Azores
[[Sat,21:51] <Frank> hola @rain
[[Sat,21:51] <Frank> welcome here, good night again, byeee!!
[[Sat,21:54] <laptop> Wow Azores, far. Welcome.
[[Sat,22:16] <rain> Thank you :)
[[Sun,04:50] <Spider> Hiya
[[Sun,07:22] <Guest> Good morning !!
[[Sun,07:40] <Frank> good morning Reticulum!! Have a great Sunday!!! :)
[[Sun,07:43] <laptop> gm gm
[[Sun,07:53] <thomas> Hey everyone!
[[Sun,07:54] <Frank> gm @laptop!! gm @thomas!!!
[[Sun,07:54] <laptop> eyy
[[Sun,08:19] <laptop> That new Toughbook 40, maaan.... very nice.
[[Sun,08:42] <FKrob> Bella questa chat. Ma esistono luoghi dove (anche con Sideband) sia possibile una chat tipo Whatsapp?
[[Sun,08:42] <FKrob> Giusto per non usare Meshchat o altri browser nomadici...
[[Sun,19:37] <Frank> ciao FKrob, no chat di gruppo ancora non esistono, solo chat peer 2 peer, cioè singole, perciò ho inventato questa cosa :D
[[Sun,19:40] <Frank> ci sono dei gruppi di chat fatti con lxmf tools distribution groups che creano un peer per chattare lì in multiutenza, ma bisogna hostarlo da qualche parte: https://github.com/SebastianObi/LXMF-Tools/tree/main/lxmf_distribution_group_extended
[[Sun,19:43] <Frank> ce ne sono alcuni in giro se cerchi tra gli annunci "group" o "distribution" per capire come funzionano, al primo messaggio o inviando help dovrebbe rispondere col menu comandi per entrare nel gruppo
[[Sun,20:27] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank: announcing a new tool!!!
[[Sun,20:27] <Frank> Here it is the /c Micron Page Composer
[[Sun,20:28] <Frank> Micron Page Composer - Create and Edit Nomadnet pages easily!
[[Sun,20:28] <Frank> $link https://fr33n0w.github.io/micron-composer/
[[Sun,20:28] <Frank> FFMicron Page Composer - Create and Edit Nomadnet pages easily!
[[Sun,20:30] <Frank> v1 beta ready to try! :)
[[Sun,20:30] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! Message: good night!!!
[[Sun,23:38] <JC> @Frank You should really try and find some nook to put that composer link permanently so it would be so easy to refer to it. I think it might become almost as popular as the rBrowser.
[[Mon,08:00] <Guest> hi
[[Mon,08:01] <Frank> good morning guys!
[[Mon,08:03] <Guest> good morning @ll
[[Mon,08:06] <Frank> Hello @JC , yeah, just finished it yesterday before putting it online, i'll find soon a way to make it more known to people (ex. on rmap.world , rmap nomad, the index nomad etc..)
[[Mon,08:07] <Frank> consider it a beta version so i'll diffuse it more when i'll be sure it works perfectly without any bugs
[[Mon,08:07] <Frank> hello @guest , set a nick in the left corner if you like :)
[[Mon,11:39] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank: new feature added to the nomad index!!!
[[Mon,11:40] <Frank> FFScroller: Random Page Scroller to discover new node contents
[[Mon,11:40] <Frank> $link 47850a3b99243cfb1147e8856bab2691:/page/index.mu
[[Mon,11:40] <Frank> FFScroller: Random Page Scroller to discover new node contents
[[Mon,15:24] <GrayOwl> Frank, that is extremely useful. Thanks!
[[Mon,15:44] <Frank> and thanks for the comment @GrayOwl!! :)))
[[Mon,16:54] <Steamy> Wassup my fellow Ret-Netters?
[[Mon,17:50] <Frank_Mobile> Hi @Steamy!! Welcome here!!:)
[[Mon,19:46] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: see you tomorrow folks!!
[[Tue,09:45] <System> Guest Welcomes everyone!
[[Tue,09:56] <Frank> hello chat! $e $e $e $e
[[Tue,12:44] <JC> Apropos, has anyone happened to try something like rsync -e "rnsh ..." <source> <destination ? I think I'll have to look into later.
[[Tue,13:59] <amun> hello from Brazil
[[Tue,19:42] <JC> So I guess the conclusion with those continually announcing but never reachable nodes is that their Reticilum must be outdated. -.-
[[Tue,19:43] <JC> s/Reticilum/Reticulum/
[[Tue,20:09] <laptop> It's possible that they're no longer using RNS.
[[Tue,20:11] <laptop> I was wondering if anyone had an interface config for turning an rnode into a relay by itself (without the need for phone or laptop) is there such a thing out there?
[[Tue,21:02] <JC> Um, I thought firmware v2 does it already?
[[Tue,21:07] <JC> I mean, I still have couple of those Mark's v1 RNodes which are essentially just ATmega1284p and the SX1276. And only v1 firmware fit in SX1276 which had enough functionality to act as a sort of TNC but that's about it.
[[Tue,21:09] <JC> And that v2 with the bigger microcontrollers can act independently.
[[Tue,21:11] <JC> I think you'll need -T for rnodeconf so that it'll actually remember the parameters and won't just forget them the moment it loses power.
[[Tue,21:13] <JC> s/firmware fit in SX1276/firmware fit in ATmega1284p/
[[Tue,21:16] <laptop> I dunno that it works TNC mode, not without proper equipment, to my knwoledge
[[Tue,21:16] <JC> Although, now that I think, I think mine actually have SX1278 in them as they are for 433 MHz.
[[Tue,21:17] <Frank> hello @amun , welcome!
[[Tue,21:18] <Frank> hello @JC , i tried rnsh, its ssh p2p via reticulum :)
[[Tue,21:18] <JC> Uh, the RNode *is* the equipment. Besides, that -T is just a shorthand for --tnc in rnodeconf.
[[Tue,21:19] <JC> @Frank Yes, but did you try to run rsync over it? :P
[[Tue,21:19] <Frank> yes @JC , i suspect node announced but not reachable are on an outdated tcp server (directly or in the middle of the routing path) i opened an issue on reticulum github, lets wait for mark reply!
[[Tue,21:21] <Frank> hi @laptop! you are talking about "microreticulum" the only project to create a standalone rnode, but its not working since its not updated to connect the new nodes with aes256, lets wait the developer!! i tried to write a firmware of mine for this puropose, but it replies only announces, not useful for messages, for that it needs a porting of reticulum on the node and im not still capable of doing this :D
[[Tue,21:22] <Frank> not yet capable :D
[[Tue,21:24] <Frank> i quit , too tired today :D see you tomorrow folks!!
[[Tue,21:25] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room!
[[Tue,21:25] <Guest> I'm sort of disgusted with the developer for his choice of build environment. ;-(P
[[Tue,21:26] <JC> Duh, I lost my nick. Mine ^
[[Tue,21:31] <laptop> Welp.
[[Tue,21:33] <laptop> I read all this a while back, guess I'm recycling old questions again.
[[Wed,01:19] <Guest> Anyone know who 64b4426c108b6a755a4f385201434162 is that is constantly being requested on the network but has no known path?
[[Wed,01:46] <laptop> no idea
[[Wed,08:00] <Frank> good morning folks! whats happening here?
[[Wed,08:23] <tester> So this is a chad. Not bat!
[[Wed,08:27] <tester> Rbrowser is great stuff. just tried it last night (and am using right now). Good UX is on it's way. Yeah
[[Wed,09:00] <laptop> test message
[[Wed,14:02] <Frank> hello @tester , tnx and welcome here!! :)
[[Wed,14:03] <Frank> @laptop test received! :)
[[Wed,14:57] <laptop> So I'm trying to get my rnode to communicate from rnode A to rnode B (the laptop itself) and have that B node send messages into the network online, trying to troubleshoot it but it won't let me, and I can't figure it out, maybe I left a detail out. You guys have any ideas?
[[Wed,14:58] <laptop> Should transport be on? Or should I set up a prop node of my own?
[[Wed,15:04] <laptop> okay, one message was sent to propagation net... hmm (after changing it to 'enable_transpot = true' with lower case 't')
[[Wed,15:04] <laptop> transport*
[[Wed,18:08] <OffGridRN> @laptop I thought I could use RNode like a relay, maybe in TNC mode but that's not the case:(
[[Wed,18:09] <OffGridRN> @laptop It would need a PiZero for example
[[Wed,18:33] <laptop> A zero w would be nice too, you can even stack rns on top of a wifi access point, that way people can both have access to the building blocks to set up their own node, and not even require an rnode to partake
[[Wed,18:57] <Frank> hey lap, if doing rnode A to rnode B , transport and prop.node is not involved in here. transport is to enable routing from different interfaces (example tcp to rnode and viceversa so you can get the announces received from tcp to the lora B sent from A) the propagation node is a sort secretery for message sent to unreachable end client, when reconnected the messages are retrieved from the prop node so you dont loose it even if you are offline. enable transport and prop node only on stable connection machines to not compromise the network usage!
[[Wed,18:59] <Frank> to talk from a rnode A to B, just need to set same frequency and same lora settings on both, verify clients are correctly connected to it and send message. if you tell the setup of A and B maybe i can help.
[[Wed,19:00] <Frank> you can try with a laptop and sideband on mobile phone for example, if on the laptop you enable transport, on the mobile you'll receive announcces from your local lora rnode and also from other interfaces
[[Wed,19:01] <Frank> or 2 laptops...or a pi and a mobile, ora a laptop and a pi, or whateva :D
[[Wed,19:02] <laptop> I already had rnode A & B, the point of this test is to have a base station connected to the internet as I'm walking around the neighborhood out of reach of the internet or LTE for example
[[Wed,19:02] <laptop> The test was a success.
[[Wed,19:03] <laptop> there is a slight lag, but that's normal
[[Wed,19:08] <Frank> hello @OffGridRN , welcome!! yes rnode requires a computer with python and the rns stack to pilot it, consider it as a passiv modem guided by the software, rnode alone does nothing, the tnc mode is used to transform it into a tnc to be guided by other software like tncattach or similar
[[Wed,19:08] <Frank> passiv on purpose to not trigger the antispam on passiv incom terms :D
[[Wed,19:10] <laptop> also adding ppl to 'trusted' category obviously helps speed messages up
[[Wed,19:11] <Frank> maybe because you have the stamp cost active
[[Wed,19:12] <Frank> stamp cost is used as a sort of antispam, that requires sender to consume some cpu time calculations before sending the message, more higher the cost more time needs to send the message, with 0 is immediate, trusting a client dont needs to pay the cost
[[Wed,19:14] <Frank> otherwise the speed should be the same with everyone, it can be higher maybe if you have difficult connection with the remote lora node
[[Wed,19:14] <Frank> i'm watching the BBS documentary :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5vjmDFZaI
[[Wed,19:15] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[Wed,19:20] <Frank_Mobile> Yeah back on mobile with rbrowser :)
[[Wed,19:21] <Frank_Mobile> I'll create an optimized chatroom ui for rbrowser on mobile phones!
[[Wed,19:37] <laptop> ok
[[Wed,20:16] <rBrowser> Testing the chatroom mobile interface!!
[[Wed,20:29] <rBrowser> Available now from the chatroom index page!
[[Wed,20:33] <CDM1> Hi everyone! Pretty awesome network. You check the clearnet and it doesn't look like much, but it's pretty much alive and working!
[[Wed,20:34] <Frank> hello @CDM1 , welcome here!! :)))
[[Wed,20:35] <CDM1> Though right now I can't properly browse anything with the Network Visualizer as there are thousands of nodes, and I didn't save the Index someone was creating :'(
[[Wed,20:35] <Frank> yeah...its not so mainstream, and its a good thing, its the reticulum underground :D
[[Wed,20:36] <CDM1> Hi! Thanks for the welcome!
[[Wed,20:39] <Guest> mhh the network visualizer is meant to be a network scope, not for browsing, to find nodes you have the announces tab, there are the announced nodes.
[[Wed,20:39] <Frank> it was me forgetting to fingerprint :D
[[Wed,20:40] <Frank> for the index do you mean...
[[Wed,20:40] <Frank> $link 47850a3b99243cfb1147e8856bab2691:/page/index.mu
[[Wed,20:40] <Frank> The Nomad Index ;)
[[Wed,20:40] <Frank> just click to visit but you'll leave the chatroom, add to favorite :D
[[Wed,20:41] <Frank> if you want a multitab browser...check rbrowser, link in the chat topic :)
[[Wed,20:42] <CDM1> Quite fun actually so it's ok for me. Actually I want to pick up a new project so plenty of opportunities here. So much that I can't choose xd
[[Wed,20:43] <CDM1> Yes, that one! Saved it, thanks
[[Wed,20:44] <Frank> ;)
[[Wed,20:44] <CDM1> Yeah, now that you mention it it's a no brainer to use the Announces tab instead...
[[Wed,20:45] <Frank> reticulum is a great world!!
[[Wed,20:46] <Frank> yes in the announces you see al nodes and can also search by name or address
[[Wed,20:46] <Frank> same for the lxmf peers (message users) in the announces you see who is online
[[Wed,20:48] <Frank> and of course in favorites you can add the nodes you like or use the most
[[Wed,20:49] <Frank> i'm going to sleep guys, see you tomorrow!!!
[[Wed,20:50] <System> Frank has quit The Chat Room! Message: good night!!
[[Wed,21:08] <CDM1> Whoops got lost browsing see you!
[[Thu,06:13] <laptop> rBrowser test
[[Thu,06:14] <laptop> from android
[[Thu,07:25] <Frank> good morning folks!
[[Thu,07:45] <laptop> mornin
[[Thu,07:45] <System> Frank is away. (Status: see you this afternoon!!)
[[Thu,08:09] <thomas> Good nychthemeron everyone!
[[Thu,08:14] <laptop> gm gm
[[Thu,17:46] <panda> greetings
[[Thu,23:45] <laptop> Hello
[[Fri,03:59] <Guest> what's anyone's favorite food?
[[Fri,04:37] <laptop> *drumroll*...........grilled cheese burrito with steak.
[[Fri,04:39] <laptop> https://www.fastfoodpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Taco-Bell-Adds-Grilled-Cheese-Burrito-To-Permanent-Menu-Tests-New-California-Steak-Grilled-Cheese-Burrito-And-New-Bacon-Grilled-Cheese-Burrito-In-Select-Markets.jpg
[[Fri,04:40] <laptop> wow that link is long..
[[Fri,05:37] <thomas> Hey there! Although it may sound obvious: PIZZA!
[[Fri,07:15] <OffGridRN> @thomas f9f62880839e477c535aef7231ef2ebe:/page/guides_pizza.mu
[[Fri,07:22] <Frank> Good Morning Chat!!
[[Fri,07:25] <Frank> here is the time for caffè ☕️ e 🥐 cornetto :D
[[Fri,07:26] <Frank> hello @panda , welcome :)
[[Fri,07:27] <System> NOTICE FROM Frank: @laptop broke the page with his burrito :d :d
[[Fri,08:45] <thomas> @OffGridRN <3
[[Fri,08:45] <thomas> @Frank @laptop LOL
[[Fri,09:17] <Guest> Hej - great work, this chat! How - using nomadnet - I can hit "send" to actually send a composed message?
[[Fri,09:19] <Guest> oh I see - I just need full screen or a wider windows. soooorrry!
[[Fri,09:27] <me-via-lora> good morning. was using reticulum via tcp interfaces only. Now turned on transport mode on one node an attached a lora device/interface. Installed everything on other node, turned all legacy connections off... ...aaaaand here? i am!! Amazing how easy this works. No internet. Just lora. An I can load the chat quite quick an post a message.
[[Fri,09:28] <me-via-lora> I'm flashed. Oh no wait - my Heltec and RAK chips are.
[[Fri,09:29] <me-via-lora> how can I send a message not using the mouse to click "send"?
[[Fri,11:21] <Frank> hello @Guest, for nomadnet there is the optimized page version, yes for full screnn, its not the chat page fault, when reducing the screen size nomadnets wraps the text, it is normal
[[Fri,11:22] <Frank> hello @me-via-lora welcome!! :)
[[Fri,11:23] <Frank> yeah great, you could easily access via lora and rnode with the transport enabled on the tcp connected machine as you did, is the power of reticulum :)
[[Fri,11:25] <Frank> for the send, i think you have only the mouse option...its a link on the page and not a button on the client
[[Fri,11:27] <Frank> what client are you using @me-via-lora?
[[Fri,13:01] <me-via-lora> how can I send a message not using the mouse to click "send"?
[[Fri,13:06] <me-via-lora> oops double the question. Don't know why. Anyway, I'm using nomadnet and your nomadnet optimized page. sooooo great irc feeling ;) - but the send via mouse, though haha.
Thx for the great job!
[[Fri,15:22] <Salty> Howdy, just test driving.
[[Fri,19:40] <Guest> rbrowser
[[Fri,20:09] <Frank> hey folkss $e $e $e
[[Fri,20:09] <Frank> hi @Salty welcome :)
[[Fri,20:16] <laptop> eyy
[[Fri,20:59] <cascalora> Here I'm. Connected via GW Cividale LoRa Pages
[[Fri,21:00] <cascalora> Connecting to chat: Ch.Load: 65.94% (15s), 0.37% (1h)
[[Fri,21:25] <Guest> @Frank (11:21) it was not meant, it's the chat page fault - I just didn't find it, until I've seen the button on a different computer with a biiiiiig screen anyway... erverything fine
[[Fri,21:39] <CDM1> Hey everybody! Changing topic, but looking at the nomadconfig I've found about required_stamp_cost, and it seems like something you'll use to protect against spamming attacks or something like that. But it seems quite a bit problematic if you want to keep chatting with anybody else as usual... Any ideas? Somebody has been spammed already in this network o.O?
[[Fri,23:19] <Mike> Hello
[[Fri,23:20] <Mike> Anyone online?
[[Sat,02:55] <laptop> @CDM1 never been spammed @Mike yes
[[Sat,03:04] <Mike> Diving head first into reticulum. Gotta say, I love the look of these sites. No crappy javascript or analytics, just pure and simple websites that do their job.
[[Sat,03:58] <laptop> I like it.
[[Sat,07:23] <Frank> FFgood morning folksss!!!!
[[Sat,07:24] <Frank> hi @guest , just debbugging the situation before to try to understand if its a chat problem or not :)
[[Sat,07:29] <Frank> hello @CDM1 yes, correct, the stamp cost is a price to pay, in cpu calculation time, for the sender before the message delivery, exatcly as an antispam precaution, to avoid mass messaging or mass spamming. higher the stamp cost, higher the cpu time needed to deliver message, don't set it to high value if you enabled. i have it disable and never had spamming issues, reticulum people are good and responsible people :) (if you put node on trusted list, they'll skip the stamp cost)
[[Sat,07:30] <Frank> hello @Mike Welcome!!!
[[Sat,07:31] <Frank> have a great weekend guys!!! BRB! :)
[[Sat,07:32] <Frank> grande @cascalora :))
[[Sat,07:32] <Frank> same here @laptop , never been spammed!!! :)
[[Sat,07:33] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[Sat,09:02] <Heppuhei> Any news when miroReticulm is ready ?
[[Sat,09:14] <Frank_Mobile> Hello @Heppuhei, nothing, no news! Follow the github project to check the status
[[Sat,09:17] <Frank_Mobile> https://github.com/attermann/microReticulum_Firmware
[[Sat,09:18] <Frank_Mobile> https://github.com/attermann/microReticulum
[[Sat,09:19] <Heppuhei> Thanks @Frank_Mobile
[[Sat,23:02] <Guest> Does rBrowser have a "light theme". It'so hard to read white letters on black backround - at least to me. I don't find a "light switch"
[[Sat,23:03] <Guest> ;)
[[Sun,08:59] <Frank_rBrowser> FFgood morning folks, have a great sunday!!
[[Sun,09:04] <Frank_rBrowser> hello @guest, a light theme (and maybe more themes) is planned for next updates, work in progress for now, but the theme will affect only the contour of the user interface...nomadnet pages content rendering IS white on black, on any official client, i cannot alter it that depends on the micron parser!
[[Sun,09:10] <pnz_gpz> hi
[[Sun,09:28] <Frank_rBrowser> hi @pns_gpz !
[[Sun,09:28] <Heppuhei> Hello @pnz_gpz !
[[Sun,09:29] <Frank_rBrowser> guys take a look at this new node: 📢 TOPICS! - The Nomad Forum Nomadnet Address: c684e0ce02bb2a757116a43bf2b277ec:/page/index.mu
[[Sun,09:30] <Frank_rBrowser> hello @Heppuhei :)
[[Sun,17:08] <laptop> He can edit the nomadnet config and change it from a dark theme to a light theme.
[[Sun,17:08] <laptop> cd .nomadnet
[[Sun,17:08] <laptop> nano config
[[Sun,17:09] <laptop> everything else he can change up by copying the CSS file in rBrowser and using the copy/edited version as the original.
[[Sun,17:31] <Frank> yes in nomadnet ok, but the page rendering in rbrowser will remain black with withe txt, its the micron parser js that works this way unless you edit it also
[[Sun,17:32] <Frank> white*
[[Sun,17:54] <laptop> https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_js_toggle_dark_mode.asp
[[Sun,19:57] <Petri_FIN> Good evening folks
[[Sun,20:09] <Petri_FIN> Just testing rBrowser on Ubuntu 24 for the first time
[[Sun,20:20] <rBrowser> Hello @Petri_FIN welcome here!! :)
[[Sun,20:46] <Petri_FIN> Got a Heltec ESP32 v3 connected via USB to the laptop. The rnode is communicating with another Heltec connected to a raspi which talks to the internet
[[Sun,20:47] <Petri_FIN> Appears to be working fine :)
[[Sun,21:21] <Petri_FIN> Welp, it's getting late over here. G'night peeps
[[Sun,21:24] <laptop> later
[[Mon,08:34] <Frank_rBrowser> good morning folks!!
[[Mon,08:38] <laptop> gm gm
[[Mon,10:30] <Guest_5ec9> Hello everyone! Bonjuorno a tutti:)
[[Mon,14:49] <Heppuhei> Moi @Petri_FIN tervetuloa testaamaan verkkoa.
[[Mon,23:34] <JC> Goodness! Another language besides Italian and English. Hyvää yötä!
[[Mon,23:34] <JC> @Frank Don't hurry to change it on my account; dark theme saves battery...
[[Tue,07:58] <Frank_rBrowser> good morning folks!!
[[Tue,08:01] <Frank_rBrowser> hi @JC !! don't worry, when ready, there will be a selector for the theme so you can choose the one you like the most, this actual one will be the default option ;)
[[Tue,12:28] <Guest> test
[[Tue,16:23] <laptop> the test works
[[Tue,19:39] <JC> The test failed?
[[Tue,19:40] <JC> Schrödinger's cat.
[[Tue,20:21] <Guest> Meow
[[Tue,20:22] <Guest> You heard it? Or maybe not :D
[[Tue,21:29] <rBrowser> :D
[[Wed,07:42] <rBrowser> FFGood Morning Folks!
[[Wed,10:40] <Luca73> Buongiorno
[[Wed,11:21] <Frank_rBrowser> ciao @Luca73 buongiorno!!!
[[Wed,12:48] <Casca> Uellà evribodi :-) Kako si?
[[Wed,12:51] <Casca> can't see "Send" icon (Chromium v172)
[[Wed,12:54] <Casca> oops, cannot see any icon. maybe my problem with charset
[[Wed,14:37] <rBrowser> ciao casca!!
[[Wed,22:04] <Guest> hey
[[Thu,09:45] <rBrowser> GM!
[[Thu,11:37] <Guest> Good nychthemeron, to all and everyone.
[[Thu,11:38] <JC> Blah, when did my nick reset. -.- Anyway, that was mine as you can probably guess. ^
[[Thu,11:39] <JC> R.I.P. Prunella Scales. Fawlty Towers <3.
[[Thu,11:42] <JC> But then again, R.I.P Tadzio (Björn Andrésen), of the Dead of Venice (1971) Fame.
[[Thu,11:42] <JC> Death, that is.
[[Thu,11:42] <JC> Death in Venice. Böah, I must be having some ADHD or something.
[[Thu,11:52] <JC> That Fawlty Towers reminded me, a lot of 'Allo, 'allo! cast has passed away. :-/
[[Thu,11:55] <JC> At some point few years ago, I had some Old Time Radio streaming just about 24/7. American radio plays from, I guess mostly 50's.
[[Thu,11:57] <JC> But then again, I'm way too young, the so called Golden Age of Radio and/or Hollywood was long before I was even born.
[[Thu,19:35] <yo2loj> Hi
[[Fri,09:50] <rBrowser> good morning chat!!
[[Fri,10:43] <JC> Good nychthemeron.
[[Fri,16:51] <thomas> Good nychthemeron everyone! And have a fantastic weekend!
[[Fri,17:23] <Guest> hello
[[Fri,18:04] <laptop> eyy
[[Fri,21:29] <Frank> hello and good night guys! :)
[[Sat,02:11] <Smit> hello hello, testing 123
[[Sat,03:16] <socrates> did anyone solve the problem of text being unselectable in nomadnet/urwid? it makes links hard to follow
[[Sat,05:24] <laptop> To trigger links you have to hold down Ctrl then click the link.
[[Sat,05:25] <laptop> You use arrow down to scroll through pages then Ctrl + click the actual link nomadnet displays on the bottom
[[Sat,05:25] <laptop> much easier on meshchat
[[Sat,05:32] <laptop> Meshchat it's just click and go.
[[Sat,09:12] <Frank> good morning guys!
[[Sat,09:12] <Frank> welcome @smit and @socrates , gm @laptop :)
[[Sat,09:14] <Frank> @socrates for unselectable text you can try with shift pressed or shift + ctrl and select the text you want to copy
[[Sat,10:26] <laptop> gm gm
[[Sat,10:42] <JC> Good nychthemeron.
[[Sat,10:43] <JC> Or run nomadnet inside screen and you can use screen's sopy-paste facilities.
[[Sat,10:45] <JC> Forgot the uninformed grey masses of humankind are still mostly using Micro$oft abominations and not Linux. -.-
[[Sat,10:47] <JC> s/sopy/copy/
[[Sat,10:47] <JC> Your pedantic perfectionist strikes again. (And corrects his typos.)
[[Sat,11:12] <Frank> :D
[[Sat,19:31] <socrates> Ok shift + mouse works! NICE
[[Sat,19:32] <socrates> im using asahi linux. i switched from mac because the new mac os looks like windows vista
[[Sat,22:15] <JC> %-S
[[Sun,02:31] <Emerson> hello
[[Sun,04:06] <laptop> hello
[[Sun,09:30] <Frank> good morning chat! have a great sunday!! :)
[[Sun,11:11] <JC> Good nychthemeron.
[[Sun,11:18] <JC> @Frank This chat is quite amazing. Have you thought of building a BBS and have this "embedded" there too? As in reachable both inside and outside of the BBS of course. I'm sort of low key feverish of trying to find all kinds of ways to make use of Reticulum.
[[Sun,11:27] <JC> For instance right now I'm pondering way to sync files on a remote node in rsync-style. Little changes could be transferred over the line, but if the changes are reasonably large maybe carry them over sneakernet. And before anyone mentions it, yeah, I've been looking into NNCP but somehow, at least at first glance, it looks too complex. At least compared to simply running rsync.
[[Sun,11:57] <Frank> hi @JC!! yeah...spoiler alert...a bbs is work in progress but i need more time to finish it, yeah i could implement also the chat in it, tnx for suggestion!
[[Sun,12:02] <Frank> for the file transfer thing, i don't know anything similar to rsync for reticulum, but in rns we have the included tool "rncp" , maybe it can help transfering files (but i dont think it is ables to uploads only the difference of the file)
[[Sun,12:03] <Frank> another possibility is rnsh , a shell under reticulum, and here i think you can use rsync under this shell
[[Sun,12:04] <Frank> its like ssh but over reticulum: https://github.com/acehoss/rnsh
[[Sun,12:05] <Frank> they both works as server and client parts to run on both machines
[[Sun,12:47] <JC> I think the problem is most of the good stuff is written to work over IP in some form or another, and doesn't support just piping it.
[[Sun,12:49] <JC> Here's couple of links; https://www.complete.org/using-gensio-and-ser2net/ ( https://github.com/cminyard/gensio ) and https://www.complete.org/an-asynchronous-rsync-with-dar/
[[Sun,12:52] <JC> I think that gensio in general might be used as a glue to try and run traditional tools over reticulum. And that dar might be the tool to make asyncronous diffs of filesystems and then transfer the diffs over rncp to the remote and apply there.
[[Sun,12:58] <JC> I'm currently syncing some 20TB of data over Ethernet and even if the switch and the cabling is Gigabit-ready and at least the target NAS has gigabit ethernet port, not sure about the source NAS(es) and I'm running pure rsync, without ssh underneath, it's taking forever and ever and ever. -.-
[[Sun,13:06] <JC> Apropos, one irritating, hmm, "feature" in meshchat is that when I flip to another window to, say. copy URL to paste here is that when I flip back, the text cursor on this message field has returned to the beginning, even even the focus is no longer on the message field, so one needs to click on the field and then get to the end of the so far entered text with End for instance.
[[Sun,13:08] <JC> Not sure how much of losing the focus is thanks to the browser. Or maybe even that cursor return too.
[[Sun,13:27] <Greg> Hello All. New to Reticulum and learning what I can.
[[Sun,13:45] <Greg> running on Linux over nomadnet at the moment. plans are to run my own server for my local area. Emergency Communications is both my hobby and my job and I became fascinated with Reticulum when I cam across it.
[[Sun,13:58] <Greg> Came* across it... I am a general class amateur radio licensee as well and run a packet BBS too so I'm doing my best to cover all my bases when conventional communications fail which they tend to do frequently these days.All that being said, I am an eager student and hope to be able to use chat rooms like this and forums to reach out for ideas and solutions from time to time.
[[Sun,14:09] <Frank> hi @Greg welcome here!! :)
[[Sun,14:14] <Frank> hey @JC this cursor skipping bug is not happening to me on windows, just tested, it never happened to me, i dont know what could it be
[[Sun,16:00] <JC> I don't think it would happen to a regular browser window. It might be the, hmm, embedded chat window which might cause it. Well, nobody died so far, puts it in proportion.
[[Sun,16:00] <JC> Hello, and welcome @Greg.
[[Sun,16:05] <JC> "How Important Is Communication During Shtf Wrol Teotwawki Or The Zombie Apocalypse"
[[Sun,16:40] <laptop> That depends on how fast the zombies are.
[[Sun,20:52] <A7TM3d> Big Ups From Denver!
[[Sun,22:33] <Frank_mobile> rns just got updated to v1.0.1!!
[[Sun,22:33] <Frank_mobile> https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/releases/tag/1.0.1
[[Sun,22:34] <Frank_mobile> Good night chat!!
[[Mon,02:53] <laptop> Heltec v4 support, nice. It's getting sweeter!
[[Mon,08:44] <Frank_mobile> good morning :)
[[Mon,15:12] <Symbioquine> Good morning!
[[Mon,17:49] <Frank_mobile> hellooo :)
[[Mon,19:37] <JC> Good moaning...
[[Mon,19:37] <JC> Seriously, good nychthemeron.
[[Mon,19:39] <JC> I wonder has Dan remembered to update. https://github.com/DanBeard/RETCON
[[Mon,19:40] <JC> I mean if there's some ready made images offered.
[[Tue,00:44] <Greg> @JC Well I've not yet been privy to Shtf Wrol Teotwawki Or The Zombie Apocalypse but Combat and Hurricane Helene certainly left some lasting impressions...lol.
[[Tue,05:16] <laptop> Helene was a rough one, I've been though a few here in South Florida, they never quite cease to amaze me.
[[Tue,13:32] <Concave> Hello
[[Tue,13:33] <Concave> What is the best solutio for longer distance than LORA in your opinion? If so which HF freq?
[[Tue,13:43] <Frank_mobile> hello @Concave! lora is not bad if you have line of sight, i've seen records of 280 and 350km !! i'm not a radio guy other than using lora nodes, you could get some info in the links below, but first of all check the regulations of your state / region , in some places like eu you cannot send encrypted data over radio
[[Tue,13:43] <Frank_mobile> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blwNVumLujc&t=77s
[[Tue,13:44] <Frank_mobile> https://github.com/RFnexus/reticulum-over-hf
[[Tue,14:15] <ps> Hi there! I'm online again
[[Tue,14:56] <Concave> Thanks @Frank_monile, i need to explore a more robust lora setup than mein. But LORA can't bounce on the ionosphere. :(
[[Tue,18:34] <laptop> nomadnet and Sideband updated
[[Tue,18:44] <laptop> @Concave, we also talked about satellite phones being an option here, and that's a thing. Some new android 15 phones have satellite capability.
[[Tue,18:44] <laptop> But those are pricey tbh. LoRa is usually very accessible in comparison.
[[Tue,19:30] <JC> The equipment, let alone the data plans for satellite phones.
[[Tue,19:31] <JC> Oh yeah, good nychthemeron to everyone.
[[Tue,19:33] <JC> Hmm, I remember there was some module which used LEO-satellites over which you should send short character strings like in text messaging and for which the data plan was even reasonable. But that was more like just for some telemetry. Wish I could remember any details.
[[Tue,19:40] <JC> Argh! I'm sure I typed none of those spam filter words, @Frank! ;(
[[Tue,19:41] <JC> Besides, I already forgot what was I ruminating about anyway... -.-
[[Tue,20:45] <Bobsyouruncle> Is there a nomadnet bridge to the reticulum matrix chat?
[[Tue,21:36] <Guest> What happened to retipedia?
[[Tue,21:41] <laptop> A lot of times nodes just go down for the day or disappear entirely, sadly. But thankfully many times the program used to create such a page is available on github.
[[Tue,22:52] <JC> Apropos, I spotted one? two? nodes (19 and 20 days ago, respectively) where the JSON(?) has leaked into the name of the node.
[[Tue,22:53] <JC> But yeah, no match for retipedia in the announcements at least.
[[Tue,22:55] <JC> Isn't Matrix one of those instant message platforms? No, not that I know of. So, you can make one? Feel free.
[[Tue,22:57] <JC> As long as there's Linux client for it, with curses based UI, it shouldn't be too difficult to even hack something together with some chewing gum.
[[Tue,23:23] <Guest> matrix is the israeli reimplementation of IRC
[[Wed,03:34] <ps> Can I torrent with this radio-network as using it in the I2P?
[[Wed,03:35] <ps> If I can send some text messages, maybe I can send file pieces?
[[Wed,03:41] <ps> Yet another subject: thoughts to share Sideband reference with client, to setup our communication, just doubts about build-in i2p feature, how is it wokring - out of box / has build-in router?
[[Wed,07:56] <Frank> FFgood morning chat!
[[Wed,07:58] <Frank> @ps for i2p you need an external router, like i2pd apk, configure it and enable SAM protocol on it, sideband uses the SAM protocol to connect to the i2p router
[[Wed,09:15] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in kona: 20.8C, Partly cloudy
[[Wed,11:11] <JC> Well, you can send the torrent file, sure. But ulness you rewrite a torrent client to use reticulum, I don't see how you could do that.
[[Wed,11:12] <JC> s/ulness/unless/
[[Wed,11:13] <JC> I think I haven't had enough coffee as I have trouble parsing that following.
[[Wed,11:16] <JC> Hmm, no, as far as I know Sideband relies on external i2p router. Can't remember which one of the two I found on F-Droid repositories I have installed, probably the one which does not have that joker as its logo, but I don't think I've ever actually got it working. But that's not Sideband's fault as it probably has nothing to do with that. And yes, I had that whatever SAM thingy turned on.
[[Wed,11:20] <JC> Oh yeah, and as an afterthought: good nychthemeron to each and everyone.
[[Wed,11:27] <JC> Oh yeah, and that i2p router was one of the things draining my phone battery, so since it didn't seem to work, at least with Sideband, I don't think I had anything else to try it with, I disabled it, if not uninstalled.
[[Wed,11:35] <JC> Random idea: gateway to Gutenberg.org to read and/or download e-books.
[[Wed,11:43] <Guest42> hi
[[Wed,15:25] <Guest> 123
[[Wed,17:47] <DaRock> E sh kere
[[Wed,18:36] <Frank> hey hey folks ;)
[[Wed,18:40] <laptop> hey Frank
[[Wed,19:22] <laptop> https://github.com/G4lile0/tinyGS
[[Wed,19:22] <laptop> just thought I'd share
[[Wed,22:43] <JC> Remember, remember / The Fifth of November / The Gunpowder Treason and Plot.
[[Thu,04:50] <ps> > <Frank> @ps for i2p you need an external router // OK, if it's not connecting i2p directrly that's okay. Because I'm using i2p over yggdrasil and don't want direct connections
[[Thu,04:51] <ps> > <JC> Hmm, no, as far as I know Sideband relies on external i2p router. // THANKS
[[Thu,04:53] <ps> JC, yes, about torrents I think it could be some proxy Reticulim <-> IP API <-> Torrent client, which is not implemented yet but would be super-useful.
[[Thu,05:32] <ps> > Oh yeah, and that i2p router was one of the things draining my phone battery // it's better to run i2p router remotely imho
[[Thu,05:33] <Guest> hello i am new to reticulum and i am trying to figure out how to use nomadnet
[[Thu,05:36] <ps> > <laptop> TinyGS // what is this? can I connect satellite channels over internet peers there?
[[Thu,05:37] <ps> Hi, Guest, I'm personally using MeshChat, it could be simpler for the beginner ;)
[[Thu,05:43] <Guest> yes i am using meshchat right now but would like to try nomadnet
[[Thu,05:58] <ps> Does MeshChat app supports push notifications for new messages (in Firefox)?
[[Thu,05:59] <ps> I'm using gnome/linux desktop client, but can't find where and why it does not work for me. Checking messages manually..
[[Thu,06:00] <Guest> if i were you i would install the standalone meshchat app
[[Thu,06:37] <ps> thanks but I prefer build from source, that's maybe the reason
[[Thu,06:37] <ps> forgot to say, I'm running MeshChat remotely
[[Thu,07:41] <System> huso has joined The Chat Room!
[[Thu,08:25] <laptop> Turns out, you don't need rust at all to use nomadnet on android, I dunno why I thought I did; deleted.
[[Thu,08:59] <laptop> God bless you, Mark and everyone involved in developing rns, and you too Frank, for making it fun. Goodnight for now.
[[Thu,16:20] <thomas> Good nychthemeron everyone! Finally managed to update rnsd and nomadnet versions to latest 🚀 by the way I am now going to update my nickname to @neoemit, since that is what I go by in the interwebs 😎
[[Thu,16:21] <neoemit> @thomas -> @neoemit update: ✅
[[Thu,16:22] <neoemit> Apologies for the radio silence, but I am having a grilling week at work, so I needed to stay away from technology for a while to get proper rest lol
[[Thu,18:20] <JC> @neoemit Whole week barbeque, whee!
[[Thu,18:21] <JC> Oh yeah and good nychthemeron everyone.
[[Thu,18:25] <JC> @ps Yeah, but I fear if people won't actually rewrite it to use Reticulum it's all going to turn into horrible IP over Reticulum over IP and so on gludge circus. -.-
[[Thu,18:29] <JC> I positively hate Rust. ;( I have several boards from Soekris and PCEngines with Geode processor and Rust i686 profile doesn't support CPU which has MXX and #DNow! but not SSE* commands.
[[Thu,18:32] <JC> And RND has dependence on Cryptrography which in turn has dependence on Rust. -.-
[[Thu,19:23] <ps> If I've enabled 'Send to Propagation Node,' will my message be stored encrypted somewhere for 30 days, or will it become visible to everyone?
[[Thu,19:24] <ps> As understand the propagation node should store it encrypted..
[[Thu,21:13] <JC> It may be visible, sure, as a file in the queue/cache/whatever, but encrypted.
[[Fri,01:39] <ps> nobody can't read my message but recipient only? or this message becomes public by using propagation feature
[[Fri,01:40] <ps> I mean the content, plain text there. I believe it shoud be encrypted always, even stored by 3'th party node..
[[Fri,03:16] <laptop> It's encryption built in by default, no funny business, it just works.
[[Fri,09:36] <JC> In other words the intermediary nodes do not have the keys to the encryption. So it is transferred encrypted from one end to the other.
[[Fri,12:27] <ps> thanks, so I understand it properly.
[[Fri,12:28] <ps> Guys, why not order messages new on top, because I'm scrolling chat all the time after page update.
[[Fri,12:28] <ps> The batumi chat room looks useful in this context
[[Fri,12:29] <ps> And do you know any Ukrainian rooms here, in the Reticulum network? I know people are using it, but have no one around to ask.
[[Fri,12:30] <ps> For some reasons I'm not ready to run my own server, as would be unstable in current energy situation. Also, I have no ability to order remote server.
[[Fri,12:31] <ps> p.s. I'm connecting this net without radio module, but using Yggdrasil peer.
[[Fri,13:37] <laptop> Hypogea was a node for Ukraine, perhaps from Ukraine? Not sure really since the network could be anywhere, but it hasn't been up for a while now. 81c987e99b3cf649c3957942355085ba:/page/index.mu
[[Fri,13:39] <jkust> hello everyone!
[[Fri,13:42] <laptop> hello
[[Fri,14:46] <ps> laptop, yes, here is not many of people, I can't even find the community for the geminispace (gemini protocol)
[[Fri,14:48] <ps> > <laptop> 81c987e99b3cf649c3957942355085ba:/page/index.mu // thanks just can't open, maybe far away
[[Fri,15:09] <laptop> sherbynode has a gemini proxy, I'm not too familiar with gemini myself, but here it is 3e05f77a9f0dbfc124f230862153c9f9:/page/index.mu
[[Fri,17:41] <Nomad> Hello!
[[Fri,18:03] <laptop> eyy
[[Fri,18:27] <Guest> /lastseen
[[Fri,19:00] <ps> > <laptop> 81c987e99b3cf649c3957942355085ba // cool, thank you!
[[Sat,00:02] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Gunn: Weather in berlin: 5.6C, Clear sky
[[Sat,08:24] <OffGridRN> @laptop Wasn't the Hypogea node an Ukraine air alert map?
[[Sat,14:28] <JC> Good nychthemeron.
[[Sat,16:27] <neoemit> @JC and to you! Hope everyone has upgraded rns and sideband to latest versions (sideband got a pre-release version with voice calls)
[[Sat,18:08] <Int32> hey there, viewing from nomadnet and the 'send message' and 'reload page' links are hidden when the sidebar is active. also I think it would be better if the message bar was on top, so that there's no need for scrolling.
[[Sat,21:15] <OffGridRN> @Int32 I noticed that too, I'm also unable to type anything on the Raspberry Pi, but on the PC it's fine.
[[Sun,01:31] <laptop> @OffGridRN yes it was
[[Sun,13:19] <JC> Good nychthemeron.
[[Sun,13:20] <JC> Hmm, nomadnet, the text-mode client? I don't remember any sidebar. o.o
[[Sun,14:40] <Frank> hello folks!!! how are you??? missed you and the chatroom these days!! :)
[[Sun,14:42] <Frank> let me check this nomadnet thing...
[[Sun,14:43] <Frank> i don have this issue guys!!are you selecting the nomadnet optimized interface?
[[Sun,14:43] <Frank> the page is organized to have the bottom bar always visible
[[Sun,14:45] <Frank> and is fixed for the full screen nomadnet app, the bar should stay always in place, messages are automatically limited to fit the nomadnet window, i dont understand this problem...maybe you have different screen resolution than me?
[[Sun,14:47] <Frank> the nomadnet interface is at: d251bfd8e30540b5bd219bbbfcc3afc5:/page/nomadnet.mu
[[Sun,14:48] <Frank> on my system is perfect, send me some screenshot to understand your issues, lxmf: 0d051f3b6f844380c3e0c5d14e37fac8
[[Sun,14:49] <Frank> there is no need to scrolling already, what screen and resolution you have there? let me know
[[Sun,14:54] <Frank> here it is the actual screenshot on a normal notebook pc:
[[Sun,14:54] <Frank> https://i.postimg.cc/tCn4yYqB/nomadnet.png
[[Sun,17:07] <OffGridRN> @Frank If the sidebar is visible (showing saved nodes etc) I can type in a nickname but no message
[[Sun,17:07] <OffGridRN> @Frank If I go fullscreen I can now type a message
[[Sun,17:08] <OffGridRN> @Frank I just noticed that when the sidebar is visible but I change the zoom level in the terminal then the message bar is working fine
[[Sun,17:09] <OffGridRN> @Frank This might just be an individual problem
[[Sun,17:17] <laptop> Hello from Miami, FL
[[Sun,17:30] <OffGridRN> @laptop Hello there!
[[Sun,18:03] <laptop> Man the meshtastic map has gotten big, if only the rmap was half that size. Dude there's 61 nodes (atm) in Hawaii alone, they're set.
[[Sun,22:27] <JC> "Normal" is on 80x24 ancient VT-100 terminal, @Frank. ;)
[[Mon,01:33] <LinuxinaBit> Why are the MeshChat and rBrowser versions of this page entirely incompatible with NomadNet? That shouldn't be possible...
[[Mon,01:46] <Guest> Like, they don't even load! Plus the NomadNet version doesn't do a great job of handling different screen/window sizes either.
[[Mon,01:47] <Guest> Like, they don't even load! Plus the NomadNet version doesn't do a great job of handling different screen/window sizes either.
[[Mon,01:50] <Guest> @Frank if you need any help with the micron and making things scale to different screen sizes well, let me know, I might be able to help. Also if we can figure out what exactly is causing the other versions of this chat room to not load on NomadNet, I think that would be good. I'm more available in #reticulum:matrix.org on Matrix.
[[Mon,01:58] <Guest> I found the error in NomadNet's logs:
2025-11-09 19:31:36] Notice] An error occurred while handling response. The contained exception was: Invalid markup element: {'type': 'field', 'name': 'username', 'width': 12, 'masked': False, 'data': 'Guest', 'style': 'micron_000_aac_,bold'}
[[Mon,02:02] <Guest> That may be a bug in NomadNet so it's important to address I believe.
[[Mon,09:30] <SawRamsson> Hello World!
[[Mon,12:51] <Smit> Hi there
[[Mon,15:16] <JC> Good nychthemeron to each and all.
[[Mon,15:33] <Nickie> Howdy bois
[[Mon,17:40] <Foxxo> Hi everyone
[[Mon,17:42] <SawRamsson> UwO
[[Mon,17:42] <Foxxo> @SawRamsson hai
[[Mon,17:43] <SawRamsson> @Foxxo hewo
[[Mon,17:43] <System> Foxxo has joined The Chat Room!
[[Mon,17:54] <Nickie> This room is pretty well done. Great job, creators.
[[Mon,19:50] <laptop> @Nickie This is the github in case you're interested. https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[Mon,22:00] <Nickie> @laptop Thanks, working with bringing my first rnode online, I might give it a try later once I get to building my first NomadNet page.
[[Mon,22:21] <laptop> I have a page up that may help 6b05715f72c994c837fd6b6431caa9cf:/page/rnode.mu
[[Mon,22:21] <laptop> Also this video may help as well https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=D2sfkqeyQyg
[[Mon,22:40] <laptop> I think I'll update the rnode page to make it simpler soon.
[[Mon,22:41] <laptop> I didn't wanna write too much on it because then it would be bloated, but without dumping an entire config file -I feel some people may have trouble.
[[Mon,22:43] <laptop> But for the sake of low bit rate users I tried shrinking it, also I think it's somewhat self explanatory as is.
[[Mon,22:44] <laptop> but if you have trouble, just write to me and I'll give you my full config dump 2271660d57145cf4c8ed82be1fc5579e
[[Tue,07:39] <OffGridRN> @laptop Are those RNode settings for 915 MHZ users? I need to update my guide as I've written for 868 MHZ.
[[Tue,07:42] <laptop> I'm in the US so yeah 915mhz is ours, but that 914875000 seems to be the standard for rnodes around here.
[[Tue,08:38] <laptop> Updated page, now it's just copy and paste.
[[Tue,13:06] <Guest> Hello Everyone!
[[Tue,14:08] <Kamaji> Hello guys!
[[Tue,15:01] <laptop> mornin
[[Tue,17:04] <Guest> hi all
[[Tue,18:03] <laptop> https://github.com/liamcottle/reticulum-meshchat/releases/tag/v2.3.0
[[Tue,18:04] <laptop> New Reticulum MeshChat released.
[[Tue,23:57] <RhinoTinyMC> Hello!
[[Tue,23:57] <RhinoTinyMC> How is everyone this evening?
[[Wed,00:15] <RhinoLapMC> This is so cool I'm attempting to make my own node.
[[Wed,04:07] <laptop> Alright, welcome, hit us up if you have any questions.
[[Wed,10:27] <ps> laptop, I like this app, but there is no push notifications for FF https://github.com/liamcottle/reticulum-meshchat/issues/115
[[Wed,15:14] <RhinoLapMC> Good morning everyone.
[[Wed,16:19] <neoemit> Hello people!
[[Wed,16:45] <laptop> Ciao
[[Wed,17:09] <Toto> Hello
[[Wed,17:11] <laptop> @ps I use the AppImage, they show up on mine.
[[Wed,17:13] <laptop> hey toto
[[Wed,17:42] <ps> hm, I built it from source.. maybe my fail
[[Wed,17:43] <ps> Guys, do you know any alternative to KoReader as I can't launch it on my old Pocket Book 602
[[Wed,17:43] <ps> Or it's only one available app for eink, lol, really looks like that.
[[Wed,17:46] <ps> I'm just trying to read Gemtext with it, the only one solution I see is to convert extension to .txt, fortunately, Gemtext is readable by this way
[[Wed,17:53] <ps> Lol, why is one peer animation in the (MeshChat) Network Analyzer jumping?)
[[Wed,17:56] <laptop> https://alternativeto.net/software/koreader/?p=5
[[Wed,17:59] <laptop> and about the jumping animation, I have no idea.
[[Wed,18:02] <laptop> I have no idea when it comes to eink readers so I linked that, sorry.
[[Wed,18:07] <laptop> MuPDF seems interesting.
[[Wed,20:10] <prometheus> hello hello!
[[Wed,21:26] <JC> Is that on mobile phone, @laptop? I've spotted EinkBro (browser) and ReLaunchX (launcher) specifically for eink devices. But looks like I at least find two different versions of KoReader on F-Droid repositories. One is from 2021 and the other from 2025. Perhaps it's an old version you're trying to run. I've been trying to find replacement on the F-Droid repositories for the good old FBReader so looks like I'll have to take that KoRead for a spin, thanks for the tip.
[[Wed,21:27] <JC> Oh yeah, and good nychthemeron to each and everyone, as an afterthought.
[[Wed,21:37] <JC> I think I have many of the central nodes, hmm, trembling, on the Network Visualiser.
[[Wed,22:41] <JC> Apropos, can't remember, what did you have in that topic, @Frank?
[[Wed,23:29] <Guest> hello!
[[Thu,00:49] <Guest> /stat
[[Thu,00:54] <Rhino> This is incredibly weird.
[[Thu,05:23] <laptop> @JC you know more about eink stuff than me, I never quite go into that tech, but I'd like to, if it consumes less energy, for example on a tiny screen for an rnode.
[[Thu,05:24] <laptop> but meh, not much of a reader save for online stuff
[[Thu,05:27] <laptop> also I prefer audio books if it's lengthy.
[[Thu,19:19] <System> Guest_986e has joined The Chat Room!
[[Thu,19:55] <JC> Not really. But there are RNode HW with eink displays, such as Liligo's T-Echo.
[[Thu,19:56] <JC> Or Meshtastic HW, but usually RNode FW runs in the same HW.
[[Thu,21:29] <Frank_rBrowser> Hello folks! Sorry for the absence... So busy!!
[[Thu,21:30] <Frank_rBrowser> Just launched a new terminal based lxmf client
[[Thu,21:30] <Frank_rBrowser> https://github.com/fr33n0w/lxmf-cli
[[Thu,22:35] <JC> Well, I had to translate it from DOS newline to Unix ones, oh and make it executable too.
[[Thu,22:45] <JC> Hmm, received error: multiprocessing.context.AuthenticationError: digest sent was rejected
[[Thu,22:46] <JC> But then again, I was probably sending a message to myself.
[[Thu,22:48] <JC> A feature to turn off leaking through all the announcements might be nice.
[[Thu,23:09] <JC> Just as I suspected, saw only the Settings, so it certainly doesn't fit into any typical terminal screen and doesn't seem to support any builtin pager either.
[[Thu,23:19] <JC> So this you have been pottering with lately. Goodness, how industrious you are, @Frank. *smh*
[[Fri,02:44] <laptop> Looks like LXMF was updated
[[Fri,13:32] <Guest> Just like 1992 !!
[[Fri,16:05] <Frank> thanks for reporting JC, i'll try it on more systems to see what happens. announces can be disabled from the settings, option 3
[[Fri,16:06] <Frank> but still able to call the with "p" command
[[Fri,16:08] <Frank> i mean, to see the announced nodes with p command, it disables only the terminal notifications
[[Fri,16:09] <Frank> new plugins added, take a look
[[Fri,16:09] <System> Frank has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[Fri,16:11] <Frank> ah forget, if you encounter bugs or problems, open a detailed issue on github please, here i can miss messages!! thanks!!
[[Sun,08:59] <Nickie> I <3 RETICULUM!
[[Sun,09:05] <Guest> Test
[[Sun,14:09] <laptop> eyyy
[[Sun,22:22] <Guest> nice chatroom
[[Sun,22:28] <swiz> i love finding little communities like this in obscure(?) places
[[Mon,01:45] <Guest> /p
[[Mon,06:05] <neoemit> Good nychthemeron nomads! Have a fantastic Monday and week ahead!
[[Mon,09:55] <Frank> good morning folks!!! :)))
[[Mon,13:04] <Guest> hi, how to create a chat with restricted access? (only for invited/accepted users)
[[Mon,13:22] <neoemit> @Guest with code ;) :D
[[Mon,17:59] <Kopcap> Hi
[[Mon,18:31] <laptop> Hello.
[[Mon,23:21] <Guest> wat
[[Tue,01:13] <Guest> Hello there
[[Tue,01:14] <Guest> if i have two RNodes, one connected to one machine and another to another one, should they see eachother's announces/connect?
[[Tue,03:20] <laptop> If the frequency, bandwidth, and spreadingfactor are the same, then yes.
[[Tue,03:21] <laptop> 6b05715f72c994c837fd6b6431caa9cf:/page/rnode.mu visit here for a short how-to
[[Tue,04:06] <Guest> hmm i had everything the same and sending announce on one client would cause the other RNode to flash and show usage in the channel but that announce never got to the other client, interface would always show only TX
[[Tue,04:26] <laptop> watch this video, it may help https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=D2sfkqeyQyg
[[Tue,08:54] <Frank> good morning folks!
[[Tue,09:19] <flg> good morning
[[Tue,11:58] <Guest> Looks like cloudflare is having issues again....
[[Tue,12:26] <Guest> thanks @laptop managed to get it working
[[Tue,14:51] <laptop> Great. The mesh is growing!
[[Tue,16:15] <JC> Maybe you should start giving all the Guests a running serial number, @Frank. ;)
[[Tue,16:15] <JC> Oh yes, good nychthemeron to everyone.
[[Tue,16:18] <JC> Noticed that the link text of the "Send Message" next to this entry box in rBrowser is black on black. In fact everything on that line.
[[Tue,16:21] <JC> Saving of the field content before autorefresh works, but the focus doesn't return to the field. Running on Falkon.
[[Tue,16:45] <Guest> Does anyone know how to use downloaded firmware for RNode? What's the commands for rnodeconf?
[[Tue,17:12] <JC> Hmm, now that's a good question. It's been ages since I've uploaded any custom firmware and none of the switches is obvious. http://reticulum.network/manual/using.html#the-rnodeconf-utility
[[Tue,17:14] <JC> Placing it in the cache is one idea but who says it'll pick it up.
[[Tue,17:16] <JC> I'd say "--fw-url url" might be the best candidate with the file:// schema.
[[Tue,19:11] <Guest> @guest try this link https://reticulum.network/manual/using.html#the-rnodeconf-utility
[[Tue,20:12] <Guest> I was hoping to flash RNodes offline but it seems you still need the internet for it.
[[Tue,20:13] <Guest> I tried using file:// but the console would always add on 'latest/download/release.json' to anything I input causing it to not find anything
[[Tue,20:13] <Guest> Even using the extract function on a Meshtastic node gives me the error 'Serial port opened, but RNode did not respond. Is a valid firmware installed?'
[[Tue,20:13] <Guest> Seems like its saying it needs to be an RNode in order to be flashed as an RNode?
[[Tue,20:18] <laptop> rnodeconf --autoinstall /dev/ttyUSB0
[[Tue,20:18] <laptop> you can try that to reinstall
[[Tue,21:47] <laptop> Did it work?
[[Tue,22:47] <JC> So, it's Guests speaking to themselves. Or something. *smh*
[[Tue,22:49] <JC> Hmm, yeah, you need firmware in the chip to extract firmware from there. So you can only flash the same kind of device you've already extracted the firware from.
[[Tue,22:54] <JC> s/firware/firmware/
[[Tue,22:55] <JC> Apropos, what font does rBrowser use?
[[Wed,02:56] <0xLuke13> @Guest If you already have a flashed Rnode, you can build more by using the device's bootsrap mode. press & hold the PRG button for 10 seconds. This puts the device into bootstrap console mode. Connect a computer to the Rnode wifi network. Navigate to 10.0.0.1 in a browser. Follow the replicate instructions. Enjoy.
[[Wed,02:58] <0xLuke13> @Guest You can install all of the dependencies on your machine without the internet
[[Wed,03:01] <laptop> Neat.
[[Wed,05:39] <aristotle> hm it seems slow this week on RNS
[[Wed,06:29] <Guest> ку
[[Wed,08:05] <Guest> Thx guys for all your help :)
[[Wed,20:16] <JC> Ah yes, completely forgot about the web UI. Some of the supported devices nowadays have enoug Flash for that.
[[Wed,20:19] <JC> I actually have a pair of those old v1 RNodes, by Mark himself.
[[Wed,20:19] <JC> Not enough space for any fancy v2 firmwares in those.
[[Wed,20:21] <JC> But then, I have some half a dozen new ones.
[[Wed,23:56] <0xLuke13> It's such a cool feature. It makes me feel like I'm getting away with sharing samizdat in secret.
[[Thu,02:10] <Guest> Anyone know what g00n cloud is, i keep getting announces from it but cant connect
[[Thu,02:54] <Ecks> o7
[[Thu,05:28] <Thorian> Good evening.
[[Thu,12:50] <fats> Hi, I'm trying to figure out the best way to use nomadnet on different machines, including mobile phone. I would like to use the same identity so if someone message me I'll get it on device I'm at the moment.
[[Thu,15:52] <0xLuke13> @fats Mobile will be difficult, you could possibly try something like Termux if your device is rooted.
[[Thu,15:54] <0xLuke13> @fats Have you used the Sideband app yet? There's no Nomadnet, but you can manually load a private key from another device.
[[Thu,17:33] <JayBauer> Anyone around?
[[Thu,18:29] <Thorian> Yep
[[Thu,18:59] <Guest> Good nychthemeron.
[[Thu,18:59] <JC> Duh, why does it reset my nick. ;(
[[Thu,19:00] <JC> Eventually it'll forget it, it seems.
[[Thu,19:01] <JC> It's rBrowser I'm talking about. So, maybe the saving of the fields between refreshes isn't so foolproof after all. *shrug*
[[Thu,22:58] <laptop> @fats I've used nomadnet on Termux but it won't allow me to write text it this chat. However, rBrowser works though termux, then opening to localhost:5000
[[Thu,23:00] <laptop> open a browser* rather
[[Thu,23:51] <Thorian> is there an easy way to display images in a nomadnet page without patching the code?
[[Thu,23:53] <JC> Hmm, images, as in ASCII graphics? How else do you propose to render images with text.
[[Thu,23:54] <Thorian> no i really mean rendering as graphic
[[Thu,23:56] <JC> There is no, at least not easy way, without patching the code.
[[Thu,23:57] <Thorian> i guess one more patch wont hurt haha :)
[[Thu,23:58] <JC> Links to pictures you can use, but embedding them doesn't exist.
[[Fri,00:02] <JC> I suggest to ask around and consolidate some consensus how to proceed and do it lest you end up with a solution only your code supports and no one elses.
[[Fri,00:03] <Thorian> i had to do tabs aswell so one more wont hurt
[[Fri,00:05] <JC> Embedding images fights the whole philosophy of Micron. Besides, why reinvent the wheel as you already have, say, HTML for instance. You can just as well serve HTML pages, just ransfer them over Reticulum.
[[Fri,00:06] <Thorian> i dont need embedding i just need it to show instead of download
[[Fri,00:08] <JC> And that just essentially is embedding the picture in the page.
[[Fri,00:09] <JC> Besides, you're forcing the user to load and view the picture when the bandwidth might be very stricted.
[[Fri,00:11] <JC> Once again, why reinvent the wheel, you can just as well use HTML and the traditional browsers.
[[Fri,00:15] <Thorian> ok i guess you are right so best to get a html renderer into the client ill have a look how difficult that will be
[[Fri,00:26] <JC> As far as I understand there's whole ready made rendering engines, so it may not be so difficult at all. But on the other hand, everything seems to be so tightly ingrained with IP and only IP as its transport protocol. -.-
[[Fri,00:53] <Thorian> i have to make a few other changes anyway so a few more wont hurt ;)
[[Fri,05:53] <wander> hello, chatters
[[Fri,06:28] <neoemit> Good nychthemeron everyone and happy Friday!
[[Fri,11:23] <fats> @0xLuke13 thanks, yes I'm playing with Siedband, there is an option for identity import/export, I'll play with it : )
[[Fri,11:24] <fats> @0xLuke13 would you now what's the behaviour/consequence of using the same identity (lxfm address in particular) on different devices at the same time
[[Fri,11:32] <fats> @laptop thanks, i'm using graphenos, never checked if termux is available, I'll go with the Sideband for now, direct messages work there so it's ok for me
[[Fri,13:47] <aristotle> Is noDNS down? I can't sync LXMF anymore !!
[[Fri,14:01] <aristotle> Is noDNS down? I can't sync LXMF anymore !!
[[Fri,14:02] <aristotle> ok reloading the page with C-R resubmits the form. XD No!
[[Fri,18:14] <oldlaptop> noDNS crashed my meshchat app
[[Fri,18:16] <oldlaptop> does anyone know if you can make your nomadnet and meshchat identities the same
[[Fri,21:32] <JC> Use the same identity file.
[[Fri,21:37] <JC> Hmm, I think the traffic might end up only to the other devices, probably the last announced, or might end up to both, or neither. *shrug*
[[Fri,21:40] <JC> Might work better if you make sure you connect through the same node on both of the devices, and make sure to take the other offline if possible, or at least announce the one on which you are active.
[[Sat,08:16] <poly> Hello from Australia
[[Sat,16:00] <Salty> Morning folks!
[[Sat,19:03] <makspv> hello from Russia
[[Sat,19:44] <SId> Hello from Russia
[[Sat,19:44] <makspv> Напиши свой LXMF
[[Sat,19:45] <SId> aeb1031549375310f767deb017b06027 нужно создать русский чат
[[Sat,23:01] <poly> Hello to the Russians 🙂
[[Sat,23:04] <poly> Привет из Австралии
[[Sun,06:40] <Ivan> $link 3bc2be626c6c08752fab2998c13f5274:/page/index.mu
[[Sun,07:02] <System> Guest has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[Sun,07:04] <System> Guest is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Sun,11:06] <Guest> hi
[[Sun,11:58] <Guest> Hello
[[Sun,12:42] <aristotle> friends and associates: did we figure out how to do 2 column layout in micron?
[[Sun,12:43] <aristotle> or is it misguided?!!! maybe we should not do it?
[[Sun,14:45] <Milena> Saluti dall'Emilia Romagna!
[[Sun,20:54] <laptop> New Sideband update
[[Mon,13:06] <fats> hello from Poland!
[[Tue,13:27] <JC> I don't think the columnisation is really supported by Micron. You could do it with table in HTML but Micron doesn't really have anything equal.
[[Tue,13:29] <JC> Oh yes, and hello and good nychthemeron to people all over the world.
[[Tue,13:31] <JC> There's been a distinct lack of @Frank in here for some days already.
[[Tue,19:32] <CDuck> Hello everyone.
[[Tue,20:15] <laptop> eyy
[[Wed,02:09] <laptop> another new Sideband pre-release https://github.com/markqvist/Sideband/releases
[[Wed,02:09] <laptop> :)
[[Wed,09:26] <NoahPaulLeGies> Hi folks. Wondering if my nick is too long for this place
[[Wed,12:17] <neoemit> Hey @NoahPaulLeGies! Nah, I think you are good! ;)
[[Wed,12:18] <neoemit> Good nychthemeron to all... hope your week is going well! Life is busy on this side, and I think @Frank's too. He is probably inventing some nifty new tool for Reticulum! ;D
[[Wed,20:19] <NoahPaulLeGies> It's kinda sad. If I connect MeshChat solely to my Heltec, there are 0 connections. I'm all alone here, it seems.
[[Thu,02:06] <laptop> @Noah You and several of us, hard to get a signal if you don't give o a building or own a tower or some other tall solution.
[[Thu,02:06] <laptop> live on a building* sorry
[[Thu,02:10] <laptop> https://github.com/landandair/RNS_Over_Meshtastic
[[Thu,02:10] <laptop> that for exp
[[Thu,02:27] <laptop> it may work for you
[[Thu,04:00] <Ozeip> hello from IL, US
[[Fri,10:59] <laptop> Hello from Miami, FL
[[Fri,16:34] <JC> Okay, I've been spotting new errors: "Warning] Dropping link request packet to local destination. The contained exception was: Requested link mode AES_128_CBC not enabled" which I take means someone is still using obsolete version of RNS, but then there's been another error: "Error] An unhandled <class 'TypeError'> exception occurred: 'int' object is not subscriptable Error] Traceback (most recent call last): File "LXMRouter.py", line 2207, in propagation_resource_concluded remote_stamp_cost = remote_app_data5]0]" <-- On that second dimension
[[Fri,16:36] <JC> Hmm, interesting, that "" seems to get eaten.
[[Fri,16:36] <JC>
[[Fri,16:37] <JC> 0x5B
[[Fri,16:38] <JC> The opening square bracket.
[[Sat,17:59] <Guest> Hi everyone. Just checking to see if the connection is working.
[[Sat,18:16] <Guest> waiting for microreticulum ! transport nodes on $15 LoRa will be a gamechanger
[[Sat,18:55] <Guest> I2PInterface as Default (with connectable = yes) doesn't seem to be enough. .reticulum/config seems to require I2PInterface peers too, but it generates a lot of error/notice/warning/info because the sam streams are not very stable. Anyone here using a spotless config 100% i2p?
[[Sat,23:20] <Kraven> So quiet in here lately, hows the room?
[[Sat,23:22] <JC> The only place I've used i2p is on mobile, installed from F-Droid, with the SAM enabled, but I don't think I've ever seen it actually work with Sideband, also installed with F-Droid.
[[Sat,23:46] <Guest> I only tried Orbot+SimpleX from F-Droid, never i2p, so I don't know either. The i2p setup I wish to make clean is actually on a VM. Linux Hypervisor > Linux VM (i2pd+sam) > Docker (NomaDNet). For now I set up a few peers in the main I@PInterface, it works, but the NomadNet log is plagued by errors/warnings/etc. Maybe the fix is in i2pd for sam to handle better the opening/closing of streams. No idea.
[[Sat,23:47] <Guest> *I2PInterface
[[Sun,10:12] <Nickie> Sup, big bois?
[[Sun,10:14] <Nickie> I also have logspam on my I2P interfaces, not sure why it's happening but the tunnel constantly goes from "unresponsive" to active and back
[[Sun,11:46] <Guest_fdcf> Hi!
[[Sun,11:47] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest_fdcf: Weather in madrid: 9.5C, Partly cloudy
[[Sun,15:02] <Guest> Hi! Thanks for the feedback Nickie. And yes, I have the same exact problem. Also, the activity graph stays completely flat, but it works lol
[[Sun,15:35] <NoahPaulLeGies> Does anyone know if it's possible to set a local time zone in MeshChat so that the timestamps are local instead of GMT?
[[Sun,16:40] <Cotteux> Somedbody has tested microreticulum. I build 2 nodes, one with tbeam and another with a rak. Seem to work in the console but went i test in real life nothing change.
[[Sun,17:10] <Guest> привет
[[Sun,17:12] <PRV1> Hi this is a test from new node. do you recieve me ?
[[Sun,19:21] <Guest> Message Received
[[Sun,20:55] <JC> Well, who is it who has tested microReticulum? I thought it was left in limbo.
[[Sun,23:08] <critter> I've tried it without much success, seems like development has stalled.
[[Sun,23:09] <critter> I'm sort of curious about the beechat rust implementation, haven't had a chance to mess around with it yet.
[[Mon,00:13] <Guest> microreticulum is not working atm, we must wait for new versions if they will ever come!!
[[Mon,21:30] <JC> Is there any evidence that it ever has worked, at all?
[[Mon,21:33] <JC> Besides, I'm appalled and disgusted by the choice of environment the author has chosen for the project to be compiled in.
[[Mon,23:19] <Guest> Hmm, wasn't it @Thorian who asked about the embedding of pictures. I was pondering something like mu2md and then md2html but with some PIC description in the page. https://pikchr.org/home/doc/trunk/homepage.md https://pikchr.org/home/doc/trunk/doc/examples.md https://github.com/drhsqlite/pikchr
[[Mon,23:20] <JC> And again my nick was lost. -.-
[[Mon,23:20] <JC> https://github.com/zenomt/pikchr-cmd
[[Mon,23:21] <JC> Take a lot if you find it interesting enough to bookmark, @laptop.
[[Mon,23:22] <JC> s/lot/look/
[[Mon,23:26] <JC> I think even a complex PIC code, especially as it's probably highly compressible when transferred with rncp would probably still be smaller than sending the picture as binary.
[[Mon,23:31] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in berlin: 0.8C, Overcast
[[Mon,23:34] <laptop> @JC I haven't tried it myself (RNS_over_meshtastic) yet, but it's definitely a solution for our little community, since we really don't have the infrastructure issue in our favor (atm anyway).
[[Mon,23:47] <laptop> Sooo... how bout that new wifi HaLow... pretty long distance.
[[Tue,01:01] <JC> Shouldn't it rather be Meshtastic over RNS anyway...
[[Tue,01:05] <Guest> And I'm not at all convinced of HaLow. Might just as well run LoRa on whatever >1GHz frequency that HaLow is supposed to use.
[[Tue,01:05] <JC> Darn, why does rBrowser keep losing my nick. ;-/
[[Tue,08:29] <CyberCrime> Russians here?
[[Tue,11:26] <Nickie> Yesh, Dimitrov here.
[[Tue,11:28] <Nickie> I'm slowly building my nomadnet page. Feels good. It's all back to the 90s again.
[[Tue,12:37] <Guest> jc you loose nick if you reboot the client! need to send the fingerprint to recover it!!
[[Tue,12:38] <Guest> and microreticulum worked a year ago, it stopped working with the link , path and aes 256 implementation
[[Tue,12:38] <Guest> so: no new updates = no working microreticulum
[[Tue,13:38] <fats> @JC "Shouldn't it rather be Meshtastic over RNS anyway..." absolutely ;) - I was a fan of Meshtastic until i discovered RNS
[[Tue,14:23] <nu11_byter> Just curious but anyone feeling uncomfortable about the direction of privacy?
[[Tue,16:55] <fats> uncomfortable is an understatement
[[Tue,18:38] <nu11_byter> @fats glad I am not the only one, wish there was a group that could help build out something better then Tor. Reticulum is a good candidate but right now its seems a bit disjointed.
[[Tue,18:59] <JC> Yay, verily, yay! @null_bytes
[[Tue,18:59] <JC> s/@null_bytes/@null_byter/
[[Tue,19:01] <JC> Privacy is in deplorable state! -.-
[[Tue,19:06] <JC> Oh yeah, look who's talking, @Guest. ;) (Re losing nick)
[[Tue,19:08] <JC> Anyway, I'm all for C port of Reticulum, as long as it's not polluted with some commercial M$ crap that it's needed to compile it.
[[Tue,20:35] <nu11_byter> Glad others feel the same there needs to be good options out there.
[[Tue,20:47] <Guest> pay and support the author, maybe he will do it in C, or just say thanks for his work, why dont you do the porting in c yourself? big mouth tsk stfu
[[Tue,20:52] <nu11_byter> Personally for myself right now I am looking into options. I am just trying to understand if there are groups of people working on something already.
[[Tue,20:54] <Guest> privacy is dead, big brother has come into its full power!
[[Tue,20:59] <Guest> wake up! it's already too late!!
[[Tue,20:59] <Guest> https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/discussions/1018
[[Tue,21:00] <Guest> https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/discussions/1004
[[Tue,21:01] <Guest> read!
[[Wed,02:02] <LastMan> nu11_byter I agree and I am also looking for such group. It's very hard to find.
[[Wed,02:10] <LastMan> @nu11_byter I am working on a project in this area but it's not that similar to tor
[[Wed,02:12] <LastMan> @Guest that issue #1004 is very scary. It shows the danger of sticking out your neck and being a public figure.
[[Wed,10:33] <MSK_John> Hi all!
[[Wed,13:23] <Guest> this is really cool
[[Wed,13:42] <Guest> @Guest Tue,20:54 They're definitely cracking down now. It's kind of funny how all the pretense of good governance has gone out the window.
[[Wed,13:43] <nu11_byter> I completely agree privacy is dead and has been for some time. I have been working on some stuff for myself as well, disappearing completely is almost impossible but blending into the background is a good first step for me.
[[Wed,14:17] <Guest> assanje alerted already in 2013 with its book "internet is the enemy"
[[Wed,17:38] <Guest> @nu11_byter how are you 'blending in'?
[[Wed,18:56] <Guest> So, technical question: I have MeshChat running on my computer which is connected to a Heltec v4 RNode and to a few testnets over the internet. I am expecting to soon receive a LilyGo T-Deck. If I connect the T-Deck remotely to the Heltec RNode, will the T-Deck then be able to access the testnets and this chat room while out and about?
[[Wed,23:26] <laptop> If the t-deck can install termux and rBrowser, sure.
[[Wed,23:37] <Guest> https://github.com/markqvist/RNode_Firmware?tab=readme-ov-file#supported-boards--devices
[[Wed,23:37] <Guest> LilyGO T-Deck devices (currently display is disabled)
[[Wed,23:38] <nu11_byter> Hehe the system won't let me tell you it keeps blocking me. To shorten it I am still learning but I have dropped off most online platforms as a first step.
[[Wed,23:38] <Guest> Rnode firmware transforms your device into a lora radio modem, it needs another computer to act as brain with rns packets installed to pilot it.
[[Wed,23:39] <nu11_byter> I have a lot of learning still and that is part of the reason I have been looking for others that might have already done some of it.
[[Wed,23:39] <Guest> so: t-deck is the modem, connect it to a computer with another meshchat to access this chat or nomadnets
[[Wed,23:39] <laptop> I think anyway, but really, if you can't, for whatever reason, just download termux and rbrowser on your phone and you can access the nodes.
[[Wed,23:40] <nu11_byter> My job for the last 20 years has given me a lot of insight to help me get started.
[[Wed,23:40] <Guest> <nu11_byter> just ask here and someone will help! :D
[[Wed,23:41] <nu11_byter> This seems like a good place to start glad I found this room.
[[Wed,23:44] <Guest> $e $e $e
[[Wed,23:45] <Guest> it's the guest room :D
[[Wed,23:59] <Guest> I figured since the T-Deck had a large screen and keyboard, that it could handle both the modem and computer roles in one package
[[Thu,00:35] <Cotteux> with the new rnode, are the Bootstrap Console still available. I try with an old version like 1.72 I was able to activate it but the new not working
[[Thu,00:37] <Cotteux> but the new feature of rnode 1.85, able to connect with wifi to the rnode in AP of STATION mode
[[Thu,01:55] <Search> I am interested in trying lxmf-cli, but I am using Debian and can't run pip except in a venv - I am not very experienced with Python - are there instructions for installing either in a penv or with pipx?
[[Thu,01:55] <Search> I am interested in trying lxmf-cli, but I am using Debian and can't run pip except in a venv - I am not very experienced with Python - are there instructions for installing either in a penv or with pipx?
[[Thu,02:02] <Search> I am interested in trying lxmf-cli, but I am using Debian and can't run pip except in a venv - I am not very experienced with Python - are there instructions for installing either in a penv or with pipx?
[[Thu,02:50] <Guest> @Search try putting --break-system-packages at the end of your pip install command
[[Thu,12:16] <Guest> for Wed,23:59] <Guest> -> the t-deck is an esp32 , the computer brain roles is made with python and the reticulum packages, esp32 don't support python, you need at least a pi zero or better brain modules to pilot the rnodes on the esp32s
[[Thu,12:19] <fats> @Search or just install it with venv, I'm running it this way on ubuntu 24.04, it works fine
[[Thu,12:21] <Guest> <Search> git clone lxmf-cli repo, pip is used to install only the dependencies so cannot be in venv, unless you have both repo and dependencies in the venv.
[[Thu,12:26] <Guest> easiest way to install: git clone https://github.com/fr33n0w/lxmf-cli.git , then: cd lxmf-cli , then: pip install rns lxmf colorama prompt_toolkit --b or pip install -r requirements.txt --b (the --b stands for --break-system-packages needed for the python error: externally managed system) - then run python lxmf-cli . done, same as the github guide but with --b in addition
[[Thu,15:29] <Search> Ok, thank you. Using the --b option worked. I love the interface! Question: I am getting a lot of "debug" messages such as, "Debug] Destination <xxxxxxxx> is now 3 hops away via ..." Is there anyway to silence the the debug messages so they don't interfer? Thanks.
[[Thu,15:29] <Search> Ok, thank you. Using the --b option worked. I love the interface! Question: I am getting a lot of "debug" messages such as, "Debug] Destination <xxxxxxxx> is now 3 hops away via ..." Is there anyway to silence the the debug messages so they don't interfer? Thanks.
[[Thu,15:30] <Search> Ok, thank you. Using the --b option worked. I love the interface! Question: I am getting a lot of "debug" messages such as, "Debug] Destination <xxxxxxxx> is now 3 hops away via ..." Is there anyway to silence the the debug messages so they don't interfer? Thanks.
[[Thu,15:31] <Search> Sorry for the duplicate. I think they were submitted when I tried to reload the page.
[[Thu,15:50] <LastMan> @nu11_byter are you running a node? You ought to post your thoughts on your page :)
[[Thu,16:33] <Search> Are other people using lxmf-cli getting a lot of debug messages? I don't see any mention of turning that off in the repo on github.
[[Thu,17:36] <nu11_byter> @LastMan, I have been working on the infrastructure first but I am finishing up a solar pi node. I plan to spin up a site once its is up and running.
[[Thu,19:29] <LastMan> Awesome!
[[Thu,21:45] <Guest> <Search> the debug log is due to reticulum logs, not the client itself, it uses reticulum apis so if log is enabled in reticulum, you see it in the cli terminal, to remove these output, configure reticulum log level to zero
[[Thu,21:47] <Guest> need to edit the reticulum config in .reticulum folder , at "log level" line, set it to 0 (zero) and you'll have only the client interface logs, no more mess in the terminal this way!
[[Fri,00:13] <Search> Ok, that makes sense. I will disable the logging in Reticulum.
[[Fri,14:03] <nu11_byter> In case anyone is interested, I found this interesting article. https://www.wired.com/story/new-anonymous-phone-carrier-sign-up-with-nothing-but-a-zip-code/
[[Fri,14:04] <nu11_byter> I can't vouch for it or anything but I like the idea.
[[Fri,14:51] <fats> Is there a way to pull GPS data from heltec-v4 rnode with GPS module connected?
[[Fri,21:21] <Colectora> ¡Hola amigos!
[[Sat,01:07] <laptop> Buenas, bienvenida.
[[Sat,03:48] <Colectora> Just testing and enjoying this a lot.
[[Sat,06:46] <laptop> ok
[[Sun,15:56] <Guest> Hello all!
[[Sun,23:03] <fmonroe> Hi, wish everyone a pleasant day
[[Mon,00:19] <johnnyRockettz> to the Moon!
[[Mon,13:41] <Nickie> How's it going people? I am also interested in the GPS question from fats
[[Tue,12:21] <Mr.Rumpus> Is this real life?
[[Tue,12:34] <Guest> There are people working on a privacy net to replace tor, but it is early early stages.
[[Tue,13:03] <Guest> There are people working on a privacy net to replace tor, but it is early early stages.
[[Tue,13:22] <Guest> Hey, someone is working on microreticlum this is great.https://github.com/torlando-tech/microReticulum
[[Tue,17:48] <fmonroe> ^also interested in the question from fats
[[Wed,02:45] <Guest2> What tor replacement? Link?
[[Thu,01:55] <ghost> Hiiiii
[[Thu,19:26] <Guest> for the @fats question, nope, telemetry is only taken from the phone with the sideband app only. not from lora modules that are only lora modems at this time of reticulum developement
[[Thu,19:27] <Guest> so, if you enable gps on the phone, you can send it via lxmf telemetry in sideband to other peers or remote nodes
[[Thu,19:28] <Guest> no telemetry support for lora boards until now. lxmf-cli now has a plugin for bme680 sensors, maybe the author could implement gps also
[[Thu,19:30] <Guest> but the plugin works on a raspberry with the sensor attached, a step forward respect to other clients that canno share telemetry except for sideband, but still no support for rnode modules telemetry anywhere
[[Thu,22:33] <ct1ete> hello
[[Thu,23:41] <cues> hello
[[Thu,23:41] <AlephNull> hey! how are y'all doing?
[[Thu,23:41] <AlephNull> hi Cues!
[[Thu,23:42] <Cotteux> RetiGemiProxy Gemini proxy for using Lagrange with Lora radio on Reticulum Network https://github.com/cotteux/RetiGemiProxy
[[Thu,23:43] <AlephNull> How long range do those Lora radios really connect over? I'm thinking of getting a few but the places I want to connect are 10 KM apart in a minor city.
[[Thu,23:45] <cues> Hey there AlpehNull.
[[Thu,23:45] <cues> I've been doing some LoRa radio testing in a dense urban environment and I've had success with receiving announces from ~3-5 kilometres.
[[Thu,23:46] <cues> Whether that's reliable, and whether they can see my announces, is another experiment ;)
[[Thu,23:47] <Cotteux> This is my first browser proxy, the next one will be html and web site throught reiculum
[[Thu,23:47] <Guest> Unfortunately for me, there is a higher density of Meshnet nodes in my area.
[[Thu,23:48] <AlephNull> ah, so I'd probably want to set up at least 2 relays between the locations - do you think solar panel powered in trees be plausible?
[[Thu,23:49] <cues> I think there's only one way to find out. My plan is to experiment with a Pi Zero.
[[Fri,14:45] <Anon> Sent from meshchat. /signoff
[[Fri,17:30] <Guest> @AlephNull the classic lora problem is the line of sight of antennas. if you have open sight to the remote node there are no problems in reaching 100's of kilometers. in urban enviroments the situation changes due to many structures and obstacles. in my town i reach 2km in some spots only so this is my distance record, maybe you are luckier than me! it depends purely on the territory, i know people who made 180km and 360km with rnodes!
[[Fri,17:32] <Guest> if these 10km you want to cover have line of sight from antenna to antenna, you have no problems, if there are obstacles, the coverage is less than a pmr radio.
[[Sat,00:27] <AlephNull> I'm on top of a large hill/small mountain so there will be far LESS stuff between the antennas, but probably not 0 obstructions.
[[Sat,07:52] <Guest1> Hello i'm use caviaty filter my rnode BS-setup urban area this help lot.
[[Sat,10:42] <Guest> hey everyone
[[Sat,11:05] <Guest> Hi @Guest
[[Sun,04:40] <Guest> test
[[Sun,07:26] <NoahPaulLeGies> @AlephNull Search on Instructables.com for "meshtastic", and you'll find a project for a waterproof solar relay to put up in a tree.
[[Mon,01:36] <Guest66> good morning
[[Mon,07:07] <Derpy> @AlephNull with line of sight you can get insane ranges like Guest said, with Meshtastic in Spain we have a 180km link. Inside a city with buildings is the issue
[[Tue,03:14] <Guest> yo
[[Tue,04:04] <Guest> SEARCH RESULTS FOR: "IFAC" Found matching nodes: 0
[[Tue,04:04] <Guest> Y no1 uses IFAC
[[Tue,08:17] <OffGridRN> I've had a Meshtastic node in a bird box on a tree for ages and it's been working fine
[[Tue,10:21] <Mrak> hi there!
[[Tue,10:55] <Guest> what happen CICADA forum ?
[[Tue,10:56] <noname2212> Can't open
[[Tue,16:38] <Nil> Working okay for me
[[Tue,23:12] <nu11_byter> Anyone have suggestions of nodes with good privacy and survival information. I have found a few but love finding new ones.
[[Wed,11:03] <Guest> @nu11_byter IIRC: Off Grid Reticulum Network & Light_Fighter_Manifesto, but these are frequently announced, so you probably knew about them already.
[[Wed,13:54] <Likyor> Hello guys, where are you from?
[[Wed,13:55] <Likyor> My time is 20:55
[[Wed,14:41] <Derpy> @Likyor hi! I'm from Spain
[[Wed,14:50] <Likyor> @Derpy Amazing! I'm from Russia, Siberia
[[Thu,19:24] <burger> hi from georgia, not the usa state. a7bdd4ecb890c39694e41c28e201e09f
[[Thu,19:24] <burger> privet @Likyor
[[Thu,19:25] <burger> once again off to roam more networks
[[Fri,01:45] <nu11_byter> @Guest yeah I have checked them out and read some of their stuff too. Thank you for responding though.
[[Fri,08:43] <NoahPaulLeGies> If I am in an area that has no other nodes around, should I just wait for others to discover this network and set up their own hardware, or should I be looking for places to hide solar repeaters around town? Should I talk to city hall and various businesses to get permission to put nodes on public/private places?
[[Fri,08:45] <NoahPaulLeGies> Do we sneak the infrastructure into place, or do we do it all above-board?
[[Sat,05:21] <Guest> Spiffy
[[Sat,05:21] <Spffy> Good evening!
[[Sat,11:01] <OffGridRN> @NoahPaulLeGies Getting the community involved would be great but might be difficult to get everyone on board, RNodes are not like Meshtastic, they will need a computer such as a Raspberry Pi which will require a bigger set up.
[[Sat,15:32] <NoahPaulLeGies> @OffGridRN So the Heltec v4 I'm planning on putting inside the solar panel from a solar path light won't work as a repeater on its own?
[[Sat,15:57] <OffGridRN> @NoahPaulLeGies Sadly no :( At first I thought I could do the same but later learned it needs a computer. You could try connecting it through Bluetooth to the Raspberry Pi for example or maybe a long USB cable.
[[Sat,15:59] <OffGridRN> @NoahPaulLeGies When Micro Reticulum happens then we could get RNodes like Meshtastic.
[[Sat,22:04] <nu11_byter> @NoahPaulLeGies I have been printing all in one cases for a Pi 5 and a Heltec to be able to deploy my infra.
[[Sun,04:27] <NoahPaulLeGies> Would a Pi Zero set up to run NomadNet be sufficient?
[[Sun,08:11] <OffGridRN> @NoahPaulLeGies Yes, a Pi Zero will work. I've been using one for a LoRa site for awhile now.
[[Sun,18:25] <e-m> hi
[[Sun,19:06] <Guest> hallo
[[Sun,19:07] <Bittornado> Test
[[Mon,03:36] <Guest> https://github.com/lorien/awesome-reticulum
[[Tue,00:30] <whitepaperkat> dam this is cool
[[Tue,00:46] <whitepaperkat> where was i when this came out
[[Tue,00:53] <whitepaperkat> well I got to hit the hey
[[Tue,01:19] <Guest> anyone got advice for finding somewhere to buy shrooms? I figured this would be a better place to ask than the clearnet
[[Wed,00:28] <Guest> You can find mushrooms in the wood.
[[Wed,00:49] <Zenith> howdy
[[Wed,00:51] <Zenith> aeiou
[[Wed,06:15] <Guest> Merry Christmas Everyone !!
[[Wed,15:19] <neoemit> Merry Christmas!!!
[[Wed,15:53] <BaRKaZzz> Merry Christmas!
[[Wed,16:41] <whitepapekat> merry christmas
[[Wed,18:34] <NoahPaulLeGies> Merry Christmas
[[Wed,18:36] <NoahPaulLeGies> Since Reticulum nodes need a supporting computer of some kind, are there any writeups or guides around showing what's needed to set up a solar node with a RAK and a Pi Zero?
[[Wed,23:21] <OffGridRN> @NoahPaulLeGies My first attempt is written here: f9f62880839e477c535aef7231ef2ebe:/page/solar_setup.mu
[[Thu,03:14] <NoahPaulLeGies> @OffGridRN Thanks. May I contact you directly to discuss this?
[[Thu,06:35] <Cotteux> HAPPY Xmas !!!!!
[[Thu,08:19] <OffGridRN> @NoahPaulLeGies Your welcome, my contact is announced reguarly as 'Off Grid Reticulum Network', send a message anytime.
[[Thu,09:42] <Tuna> hi there need a little help
[[Thu,09:43] <Tuna> my nomadnet Konsole doesnt start anymore
[[Thu,09:43] <Tuna> pi3 Browser is install and works well
[[Thu,17:03] <Guest> @Tuna. When you start nomadnet in console, it should say something.
[[Thu,17:03] <RussiaCitizen> Hello from Russia!
[[Thu,19:49] <VOID> HELLO
[[Thu,19:49] <VOID> are you guys awake
[[Thu,19:52] <VOID> so i was wondering, why is almost everyone fucking furries?
[[Thu,19:54] <VOID> why are you guys like that
[[Thu,20:57] <Guest> @VOID Well, that certainly speaks to the crowds you hang around with. I only know of one "furry" because they use the same social media site I use
[[Thu,21:16] <VOID> oh, another human in reticulum!! so nice
[[Thu,21:16] <VOID> i have been using ret for maybe 3 days now
[[Thu,21:31] <VOID> like stumbling through a labyrinth and three days in, see that someone else was there, just recently.. and again, alone
[[Fri,06:18] <Guest> Is there any way to get a Heltec v4 screen to turn off automatically without turning off the whole device?
[[Fri,21:18] <HoHoHO> Is this an actual Reticulum group chat?
[[Fri,23:01] <Tuna> Xiao Seed S3 works very well as a rnode
[[Sat,01:51] <Nickie> I love you all, beautiful people.
[[Sat,11:25] <Trinity-DeutschEnglishDesktop2> Falls sich jemand auf Deutsch zu Reticulum oder anderen interessanten Themen unterhalten möchte,... schreibt mich einfach an,...LXMF Adresse: 987d30724918f26fb3a9daebc01e4b73
[[Sat,16:04] <TheGonBas> Guten Abend Nerd ... euch allen schöne feiertage-
[[Sat,18:39] <JC> Have you tried rnodeconf --timeout <s> on your Heltec v4?
[[Sat,19:07] <Karel256> Test
[[Sat,19:21] <Poincare> What's up with this 'warning' node that anounces itself every minute?
[[Sat,20:36] <Guest> The 'warning' node is made by a guy who wants to build a Reticulum public backbone network based on the clearnet and was advertising subdomains to be used for Reticulum. Get got offended when a community member kc1awv removed the advertisement in the matrix room. Whenever any community members try to clarify to him the basic premises of Reticulum he gets mad. That seems to be his rage post to get mad at the Reticulum community members.
[[Sat,23:50] <Nickie> The same chinese guy set his nomadnet node announce interval to 1 minute just to annoy everyone too, I guess.
[[Sat,23:52] <Nickie> He should have added a guestbook to it so he could get feedback on what the community thinks. Although I am not sure he is actually interested in our opinion.
[[Sun,00:32] <Guest1> Noticing "WARNING" is now posting on "noden" and "nodenode" as well. Sure he's Chinese, the language structure seems Slavic.
[[Sun,02:23] <Nickie> He was advertising his RNS-endpoint and it had .cn in the hostname. His nickname also looks Chinese.
[[Sun,02:52] <0v3rCl0kEd> He also sent a message in Chinese before sending it again in English
[[Sun,05:14] <Guest> he seems confused about how secure+private RNS really is
[[Sun,07:28] <TheGonBas> Guten morgen leute
[[Sun,12:30] <Kivozola> Hello World!
[[Sun,12:38] <Kivozola> testing 123
[[Sun,12:38] <Kivozola> anyone awake here?
[[Sun,13:24] <Guest> Hello @Kivozola !
[[Sun,15:50] <Guest> is reticulum over now? https://unsigned.io/articles/2025_12_28_Carrier_Switch.html
[[Sun,17:23] <Guest2> I don't think so.
[[Sun,18:14] <Guest3> Seems a little odd. Did something happen?
[[Sun,20:01] <Derpy> I guess it's time to coordinate a community fork of the project :|
[[Sun,20:47] <Skyguy> There's a new discussion forum at https://reticulum.zulipchat.com/ and an AGPL fork at https://codeberg.org/skyguy/RetiNet
[[Sun,20:48] <Guest> is there a reason people don't dogfood rns / nomadnet? seems weird
[[Sun,20:59] <Skyguy> LXMF is(was) still in heavy development, so not reliable yet, but as soon as we can move on-net, we will!
[[Sun,21:43] <System> Kivozola has joined The Chat Room!
[[Sun,21:44] <Kivozola> Does the step-down of the creator signal the sunset of this project?
[[Sun,22:18] <nu11_byt3r> It will only sunset if everyone abandons it. The fact that there are forks suggests otherwise.
[[Sun,22:34] <Tuna> TheGonBas Guten Abend
[[Mon,01:03] <Guest> hopefully a good fork will come about despite this, it would be sad to see such a promising project die
[[Mon,07:12] <TheGonBas> Tuna wir sind wohl wenig deutschsprachige hier , schade das es bei den Servern keine landesflaggen gibt :)
[[Mon,07:43] <Test> Test messgae
[[Mon,11:32] <Poincare> Test messgae received.
[[Mon,12:10] <Guest> Meow meow meow meow meow meow
[[Mon,13:09] <Derpy> There were already forks, both for RNS and RNode, so it should be as bad
[[Mon,13:10] <Derpy> *shouldn't
[[Mon,18:12] <DaBears2> Morning everyone
[[Mon,18:36] <nu11_byt3r> Morning @DaBears2
[[Mon,19:19] <Guest> @Derpy which forks?
[[Mon,19:42] <Rhino> Hey yo.
[[Mon,19:43] <Rhino> What is everyone doing today?
[[Mon,19:57] <Derpy> @Guest well for RNS there are multiple implementations already and also the fork @Skyguy sent, and for RNode there's the community edition and a few more (I don't think they are actively mantained though)
[[Mon,19:57] <Derpy> You can also take a look here https://github.com/lorien/awesome-reticulum
[[Mon,21:29] <nu11_byt3r> Anyone have an HF Radio Link up and running?
[[Tue,01:11] <Guest> I have ~1.5 GB of LXMF stored. What is all this traffic???
[[Tue,01:23] <Guest> I have ~1.5 GB of LXMF stored. What is all this traffic???
[[Tue,02:01] <whitepaperkat> thats alot
[[Tue,02:51] <whitepaperkat> what are people even sending
[[Tue,10:14] <Guest> nomadnet was just updated to 0.9.5 with support for dynamic-loading partials in pages. pretty cool.
[[Tue,20:39] <Guest> I don't think Mark meant he would stop completely working on it. It's just that he wants to go at his own pace without feeling pressured by others. That's how I understood it anyways.
[[Tue,20:55] <Guest> !hello test
[[Tue,21:50] <nu11_byt3r> Nobody has an HF link yet?
[[Tue,23:06] <Guest> @nu11_byt3r try https://gitgud.io/xerox/freedvinterface for HF, it worked well
[[Tue,23:11] <Guest> Anyone else seeing the network get flooded by "✅✅✅NomadNet Newcomer Entry ✅✅✅"?
[[Tue,23:57] <Search> Yeah, Multiple sites with the name: "✅✅✅NomadNet Newcomer Entry ✅✅✅" - Seems suspicious.
[[Wed,00:03] <Search> Very frequent announcements too.
[[Wed,00:31] <Gestation> A lot of the public entrypoints seem to have announce rate control set very lax, which allows announce spammers to pretty wild. People hosting public entrypoints shuold set their mode to gw and limit announce rate to hourly or something at least.
[[Wed,01:02] <whitepaperkat> the new nomadnet update is cool
[[Wed,01:03] <whitepaperkat> and yes i saw multiple sites of that to
[[Wed,01:53] <whitepaperkat> i think i just sent a screen shot of that on matrix
[[Wed,09:29] <Guest> Hi @whitepaperkat send screen shot with rncp to destination address 6245bba2f2d90e942d0c2706d15bb77b i, want to see that.
[[Wed,09:32] <Guest> and download file this node 716dfc29b0a70b5b4cbf877e73ee9b5e:/page/index.mu
[[Wed,17:46] <nu11_byt3r> Thank you @Guest I will take a look
[[Wed,22:10] <Guest> i am so high lol
[[Thu,02:03] <nu11_byt3r> @Guest Haha Towlie
[[Thu,02:57] <socrates> mark has finally done the right thing and begun the boycott of micro$oft github. standing up for freedom
[[Thu,10:55] <Derpy> Happy New Year everyone!
[[Thu,14:19] <Guest_45c3> /list
[[Thu,15:00] <Guest> /stat
[[Thu,17:00] <Guest> test
[[Thu,17:39] <Guest> /info Guest
[[Fri,15:00] <Derpy> Quick question, those of you who have tried RNodes, what tests have you done? Is there anyone with a mesh already built up?
[[Fri,15:00] <Derpy> And did anyone measure the actual TX power output of the RNodes?
[[Fri,16:13] <Guest> hi
[[Fri,17:31] <nu11_byt3r> I have two nodes right now 1 driven with a Raspberry Pi 5 and another one that I can use to connect to my network.
[[Fri,17:32] <nu11_byt3r> I have done some tests such as sending images and voice.
[[Fri,18:10] <WaitButNot> Yoh!
[[Sat,05:41] <Silverguest> Hi, test from the USA. Thanks.
[[Sat,14:30] <atom> Did anyone upgrade to nomadnet 0.9.6? ??
[[Sat,17:01] <nu11_byt3r> @Silverguest ACK
[[Sat,17:20] <alexeyka> Hi guys!
[[Sat,17:20] <alexeyka> Test from Russia
[[Sat,18:48] <nu11_byt3r> @alexeyka ACK
[[Sat,19:37] <nu11_byt3r> @atom I upgraded and haven't had issues yet.
[[Sat,20:40] <kkkfff> Hi im newbie
[[Sat,20:53] <nu11_byt3r> Welcome @kkkfff
[[Sun,04:32] <Guest> test message from firefox :)
[[Sun,18:56] <Guest> heyyyyyy
[[Sun,19:24] <Astrifer> Ello, test message from nomadnet
[[Sun,19:44] <Guest> Hello @Astrifer !
[[Sun,21:11] <Astrifer> Ello, test message from nomadnet
[[Sun,21:11] <Astrifer> Ello, test message from nomadnet
[[Mon,01:45] <laptop> works
[[Mon,08:58] <Guest> test received!
[[Tue,01:06] <LowBattery> quick question: the Reticulum page says it's a public mirror; where's the one true source coming from these days?
[[Tue,01:27] <Guest> Marks private gitea instance
[[Tue,01:52] <LowBattery> thx. I had hoped that was the case, but wording in MIRROR.md made me think he was done with it, and I wondered if someone else was picking up the mantle.
[[Tue,15:05] <rsgrinko> Hello peoples!
[[Tue,15:05] <rsgrinko> Whear you from?
[[Tue,15:53] <JohnLocke> Test from Western USA
[[Tue,17:56] <nu11_byt3r> @rsgrinko I am out west, @johnLocke I hear ya.
[[Tue,18:12] <Spiffy> Good afternoon all
[[Tue,18:21] <burger> hi @Spiffy
[[Tue,20:08] <System> burger is away.
[[Tue,20:21] <Guest> Test
[[Tue,21:11] <burger> @Guest test acknowledged
[[Tue,21:11] <System> burger is back!
[[Wed,00:44] <down_there> Hello world!!
[[Wed,10:06] <Dam> hello guys
[[Wed,10:06] <Dam> from Venice, it
[[Wed,12:22] <rBrowser> Happy new year guys!!!
[[Wed,13:20] <burger> hi people!
[[Wed,13:20] <burger> hppy NY
[[Wed,13:21] <System> burger has left The Chat Room! I'LL BE RIGHT BACK! BRB!
[[Wed,13:33] <burger> /join
[[Wed,13:34] <System> burger is back!
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[[Wed,16:02] <TestItaPeer> Hi all, this is my first time using reticulum, any source you suggest reading other than the documentation. Hi all from Italy
[[Wed,23:57] <burger> uhh, @TestItaPeer, unsigned.io
[[Thu,11:31] <Guest> for italians, join reticulum italia on telegram!!!
[[Thu,13:18] <Guest_483b> Hello people of reticulum!
[[Thu,13:18] <Guest_483b> I'm also italian, you can contact me at a959a1c00d6445c48f1e2b36ec92483b
[[Thu,13:22] <Takada> Good Morning!
[[Thu,17:58] <Guest> can anyone point me towards directions on how to set a user icon in SideBand?
[[Thu,20:03] <burger> go to telemetry.
[[Thu,20:05] <Guest> thanks @burger
[[Thu,20:22] <burger> no problem
[[Thu,20:23] <burger> my lxmf iz ace748e1c4e3fd4e190dcf17f704fdfe
[[Thu,20:29] <Guest> What is with all the spam messages and node page connects? What is happening?
[[Thu,21:31] <joakim> Hello good people of the chat room
[[Thu,21:33] <System> joakim is away.
[[Fri,03:34] <Guest> https://www.bbc.com/news/live/clyzjn0w9l2t
[[Fri,03:35] <noname22122> Iran close Internet
[[Fri,03:51] <NaPaLm> wow, im the the nomadnet!
[[Fri,03:51] <NaPaLm> first time for me!
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[[Fri,04:09] <Guest> Does reticulum work when they try to shut down the internet? Most TCP servers are by domain and not IP. I imagine they try to turn off DNS to block things?
[[Fri,07:58] <OffGridRN> @Guest I'm interested in this also
[[Fri,09:51] <joakim> Reticulum over the internet (TCP interfaces with public IPs or domain names) would be blocked. One would need to build one's own infrastructure that can't be shut down. Endpoints also need a way to connect to that infrastructure, like RNode for LoRa for example. Reticulum provides the tools, but somebody will have to do it. Reticulum over the internet is mostly to kickstart the protocol and its community, it's not resilient at all, as this shows.
[[Fri,10:05] <burger> in the 00s in russia people would get very long phone & ethernet cables and would make in the most literal sense a net, because of the slow speeds that the ISPs had. they made an inTRAnet
[[Fri,10:05] <burger> we can make that with reticulum
[[Fri,10:52] <joakim> Today we also have powerful wifi devices in our pockets and homes
[[Fri,11:39] <TUNA> Reticulum over I2P and Yggdrasil could work even with DNS and IP blocking, right?
[[Fri,12:18] <TUNA> Use this tool for your pictrues in rns https://ditherit.com/
[[Fri,17:33] <nu11_byt3r> Radio links over HF, Lora, VHF, UHF and even project similar to Aredn are the way to go. https://www.arednmesh.org/
[[Fri,17:34] <nu11_byt3r> Personally my biggest limitation has been finding nodes close to me to link with.
[[Fri,18:31] <Guest> Did you build an rnode boss man?
[[Fri,21:23] <joakim> null_byt3r: Can Reticulum be used with AREDN? And is it only for emergency use, or could it be used as a permanent infrastructure? I would guess encryption is an issue?
[[Fri,23:06] <Guest> Ok another maybe stupid question - since everyone has wifi routers, cant some sort of direct wifi be utilized for mesh comms with neighbors if everyone had the software?
[[Fri,23:09] <Guest> I've already seen bitchat that uses bluetooth
[[Sat,00:20] <nu11_byt3r> Yes it can be used with Aredn since it would just be an ip handoff. If you link to the global Aredn network you can use it for Non-emergencies but you are correct encryption isn't suppose to be used. That being said you can also build isolated links. If you use any of the unlicensed 2.4/5.8 frequencies encryption isn't an issue.
[[Sat,00:21] <nu11_byt3r> @Guest yes wifi links can be used as well ubiquit makes some really good directional links but pretty much anything would work perfectly.
[[Sat,00:24] <nu11_byt3r> What I would dream of is a group that would work together to build a mesh that spans the world like Aredn does. Probably a pipe dream.
[[Sat,08:29] <Guest> In my MeshChat, I have old Nomad Net announces from 34 days ago. Is there any way to clear announces older than a certain time?
[[Sat,11:49] <WaveGiak> Hello, any Italians here?
[[Sat,14:26] <ItsDDC> Hello from Ontario, Canada! I'm looking for anyone interested in discussing the potentials for Reticulum and its use as a daily driver. Drop me a message! 4eb0f7332094d563521a4edfd45090e6
[[Sat,15:49] <Guest> ciao giak!
[[Sat,20:32] <SK> First board message on Reticulum from me, hello!
[[Sat,20:33] <SK> Still not entirely sure how this works, but MeshChat so far works nicely
[[Sat,21:37] <Guest> The creator of Reticulum is ending active development of the project
[[Sat,21:37] <Guest> https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/discussions/1069
[[Sun,04:06] <Guest> This is not true.
[[Sun,09:40] <CYBERWITCH> hi!!! im new to the network :3 happy to be here
[[Sun,11:20] <Guest2> Hello CYBERWITCH!
[[Sun,13:18] <Frank> INCORRECT!! The Author is leaving the public space of github, so useless discussions and issues published by people don't understand the network. He works privately and uploads its new releases on the github as public repo only.
[[Sun,13:19] <Frank> in fact, he just released new versions few days ago, even after this message.
[[Sun,13:21] <Frank> and this is the proper demonstration: people cannot read a simple fu***ing discussion!
[[Sun,13:21] <Frank> First line of the discussion:
[[Sun,13:21] <Frank> This repository is a public mirror. All potential future development is happening elsewhere.
[[Sun,13:22] <Frank> i fully understand him for this choice!!! start using your brain before talking dear friends!!!
[[Sun,13:27] <Frank> hello to all the new folks here!!! $e $e $e
[[Sun,13:36] <SK> Ah, good to know it's still being worked on
[[Sun,17:49] <Guest> Sam wrote that updates may appear irregularly and sporadically, so you yourself are not using your brain when reading.
[[Sun,18:31] <atom> What are the other userland RNS programs? nomadnet, meshchat?, rbrowser? Anything else?
[[Sun,19:58] <System> C.S.Burner has joined The Chat Room!
[[Sun,19:59] <C.S.Burner> Really nice IRC Chat! Thanks Frank for your tools to make reticulum network work!
[[Sun,22:02] <Guest> Just a test from a newb.
[[Mon,10:14] <Guest> hi, test. thx
[[Mon,13:27] <Cotteux> new games servers Zork 1 LXMF server : lxmf@5c33340c444906218680928257611993
Zork 2 LXMF server : lxmf@7e0d1799f24fac2201227eab77061af9
Hitchhicker guide's LXMF server : lxmf@8834be38835dfd17d2015d0113221c54
[[Mon,13:29] <Cotteux> Datalab with games , wiki, proxy a67e616be560d90cb46e8d2bf3973b93:/page/index.mu
[[Mon,15:41] <Guest> Тест
[[Mon,22:48] <Guest> hi terra
[[Mon,22:50] <Avalon> Was Up?
[[Mon,22:54] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Avalon: Weather in frankfurt: 5.0C, Overcast
[[Mon,22:54] <System> Avalon has left The Chat Room!
[[Tue,03:31] <0xLuke13> hellooo C.S. Burner
[[Tue,10:02] <Guest> Some other userland RNS programs: Sideband (Android), Columba (Android), MeshChatX, RRC
[[Tue,11:10] <Guest2> MeshchatX is shaping up to be absolutely incredible. Running the dev version and it's like... mind blown. Ivan took it to the next level for sure.
[[Tue,21:54] <TheRudi> Greetings
[[Wed,17:55] <Guest> https://git.quad4.io/RNS-Things/MeshChatX/releases/tag/v4.0.0
[[Wed,21:35] <Guest> Hello This is a test sent thrue a Lora Rnode connected to a TCP interface over a Tor Socks Proxy
[[Wed,21:45] <TOReador> What is the range of those thing?
[[Thu,01:22] <nu11_byt3r> Hey chat, how has everyone been?
[[Thu,01:42] <nu11_byt3r> @TOReador It depends but the record is 205 miles.
[[Thu,01:42] <nu11_byt3r> I have personally made it 11 miles with buildings in the way.
[[Thu,01:43] <Guest> what do ppl do on reticulum?
[[Thu,01:59] <TOReador> I'm curious how legit the no-internet aspect of RNS can be / is
[[Thu,02:00] <TOReador> Guest we post pages n shiet. or chat. or maybe spying and hacking
[[Thu,13:26] <0x29aF00f> Does formatting work in this f chbAAAF000
[[Thu,13:27] <0x29a> looks like tags are stripped. cool.
[[Thu,17:36] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest_34ea: Weather in frankfurt: 9.2C, Partly cloudy
[[Thu,17:38] <Guest_34ea> FFTest the colored message
[[Thu,17:44] <Guest_34ea> The Zen of Reticulum is a really great and thoughtful text.
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[[Thu,20:56] <Guest_4d39> Installed the rBrowser today and it works fine
[[Thu,22:28] <Guest> o/
[[Fri,03:33] <TOReador> So druzya. Any update on getting IRC running over RNS? hehe
[[Fri,12:44] <Guest2> No need, RRC is here: https://github.com/kc1awv/rrcd
[[Fri,12:44] <Guest2> https://github.com/kc1awv/rrc-gui
[[Fri,12:44] <Guest2> https://github.com/kc1awv/rrc-tui
[[Fri,12:45] <Guest2> https://github.com/kc1awv/rrc-web
[[Fri,16:09] <Search> I read The Zen of Reticulum last night and enjoyed very much.
[[Fri,17:40] <nano> Hi, does anyone know about the furture of rnode firmware development?
[[Fri,22:32] <Opcode> Good evening everyone. Just now exploring reticulum
[[Fri,23:48] <Guest> Anyone running an active rrc server?
[[Fri,23:49] <Guest> I know the developer is, but I never find anyone there to chat with
[[Sat,00:23] <Opcode> What does rrc stand for?
[[Sat,00:25] <Guest> Reticulum Relay Chat
[[Sat,00:28] <Guest> Gotcha, Thanks.
[[Sat,00:44] <nu11_byt3r> I didn't even know about rrc, I know my next project.
[[Sat,00:47] <TOReador> me neither but it seems legit
[[Sat,00:47] <TOReador> https://rrc.kc1awv.net/
[[Sat,01:43] <nu11_byt3r> I will try it out and let the room know when its done.
[[Sat,15:16] <nu11_byt3r> Anyone on NomadNetwork storing books, I found one site with all Spanish which is cool but I want to find more.
[[Sat,20:17] <nu11_byt3r> RRC works so far looks pretty much like IRC. :)
[[Sat,21:33] <nu11_byt3r> There are a couple of servers running if you install a client you can see and connect to them. https://github.com/kc1awv/rrc-gui
[[Sun,01:39] <Agent00007> i think reticulum could be the best network for organizing and connecting protesters as it allows us to not let the feds track us down
[[Sun,01:49] <Guest> I'm sure the feds are already on RNS monitoring. <looks around>
[[Sun,02:31] <Guest> I'm sure the feds are already on RNS monitoring. <looks around>
[[Sun,07:32] <tegdiwt> hello
[[Sun,07:44] <OffGridRN> @nu11_byt3r I've got some on my site as PDF but you can also use Wikibooks there which has thousands.
[[Sun,14:12] <nu11_byt3r> @OffGridRN thanks for the heads up I will take a look, I have browsed some on your site too.
[[Sun,14:30] <laptop> wxPython doesn't seem to install properly on my end, so no rrc for me I guess
[[Sun,14:44] <laptop> probably doing it wrong, i see, gotta be python 3.11
[[Sun,15:26] <Guest> Earlier today someone posted a message saying "as of today Heltec v4s no longer work with Reticulum". Anyone have a clue what they're on about?
[[Sun,18:33] <joakim> RRC is great! Pretty much a stripped down IRC for Reticulum. The TUI is a nice companion to Nomadnet.
[[Sun,18:36] <joakim> Join #reticulum on the RRC Beleth hub. It's too quiet in there, we need more people.
[[Sun,21:00] <Guest2> No clue about that. I'm using a v4 right now, works perfectly
[[Mon,17:19] <Guest> guys, i made this https://archive.org/details/important-information
[[Mon,17:20] <Guest> it is a guide for protesters, it includes information on a few different topics, and had links to tools and useful resources, please help share it around
[[Mon,19:26] <lattera> hello from reticulum on hardenedbsd. now to try things over tor :-)
[[Tue,05:13] <piggy> Does RNS work with TOR?
[[Tue,05:16] <Guest> if you can connect to the tcp nodes, you can get to RNS
[[Tue,09:32] <Guest> hello test from amsterdam
[[Tue,09:39] <Guest> keep your politics and terrorist shit out of this forum, make your own chat page
[[Tue,09:53] <Guest> by this leaflet on archive.org you're affiliating RNS and mark qvist with your political terrorist agenda
[[Tue,09:54] <Guest> DON'T DO THAT
[[Tue,09:54] <Guest> by doing this you're destroying this freedom initiative
[[Tue,10:37] <antifa> hey guys its me john antifa. i'm affiliated with RNS
[[Tue,11:14] <Guest> antifa is a indoctrinated bunch of useful idiots, they call them self antifa and are in fact fascist organization (lol)
[[Tue,11:48] <antifa> *an *themselves
[[Tue,12:31] <john> you're not john antifa, i'm john antifa, and i approve this message
[[Tue,13:20] <Guest> Use RNS to do what you think is right, don't worry about anything else.
[[Tue,13:52] <Guest> i can't seem to be able to access XMESH, does anyone have a TCP interface that is closer to it? mine is 23 hops away
[[Tue,14:33] <Guest> i saw it announced 22 days ago, this site offlined
[[Tue,14:34] <Guest> batumi is offlined too
[[Wed,00:30] <Guest> @joakim how do we join rrc chats? I'm on MeshChatX and a beginner.
[[Wed,00:32] <Guest873> Okay now I'm slightly different. That message was mine ^
[[Wed,00:41] <Guest> @Guest873 try RRC-GUI https://github.com/kc1awv/rrc-gui
[[Wed,01:50] <toreador> bruh how are you 23 hops out. no way
[[Wed,02:15] <toreador> that antifa terrorist handbook is cool but its literally just links to RNS stuff lol
[[Wed,02:18] <nu11_byt3r> Radio propagation has been rather poor because of the latest solar storm.
[[Wed,02:29] <toreador> that antifa terrorist handbook is cool but its literally just links to RNS stuff lol
[[Wed,02:29] <toreador> ok the reload / repost thing. not cool!
[[Wed,15:09] <Guest> @torreador sovereign comms that won't go down if the US govt decides to enact the insurrection act are crucial for protests, without communication protests die out
[[Wed,16:21] <toreador> how did people manage in the previous 10000 years of civilization before phones and cars
[[Wed,17:26] <Guest> Aha aha aha...bist Du hier mein Schatz?
[[Wed,20:29] <Guest> does anyone have the TCPClientInterface for RNS Transport US West (The Ark)? it always shows up on my announces but i can never connect to it
[[Wed,20:51] <Guest> Soo, this is the new internet?
[[Wed,20:54] <System> Alias has quit The Chat Room!
[[Thu,02:48] <Guest> yes it is!
[[Thu,18:30] <CSBurner> Yes, the future of the sovereign internet looks like the free internet, when it freshly startet. Sovereign bandwith is sparse, so get used to the fancy ASCII-Memes!
[[Thu,23:48] <Guest> hello there
[[Fri,08:12] <Ghost> hi
[[Fri,11:22] <Guest> test
[[Fri,11:22] <Guest321> hi
[[Fri,16:24] <Guest> rbrowser is pretty sweet
[[Sat,07:20] <Guest> greets from texas, my very first ret message <3
[[Sat,09:35] <Search> Welcome aboard 'from texas'!
[[Sat,15:22] <Guest> Happy Saturday !
[[Sat,18:24] <Guest> Greetings and a test from RNS over Meshtastic
[[Sat,18:45] <Guest> How are you doing RNS over meshtastic?
[[Sat,18:50] <Guest> https://github.com/landandair/RNS_Over_Meshtastic
[[Sat,18:54] <Guest> It's very slow, like 30 bps page loads, but it does work... At close range anyways, now I'll have to test whether I can take advantage of the long-range Meshtastic mesh here lol
[[Sat,21:24] <Guest> bussy clap like the glizzy
[[Sat,23:23] <Guest> but why use meshtastic?
[[Sat,23:23] <Guest> reticulum handles all the mesh stuff for you
[[Sat,23:24] <Guest> if the meshtastic device uses and esp32 board you can just turn it into a reticulum RNode
[[Sat,23:27] <Guest> using just reticulum without meshtastic should get you a few kbps on any LoRa devices, try the guides on https://unsigned.io/index.html
[[Sat,23:30] <breathing-stateful> >.<
[[Sat,23:30] <breathing-stateful> messaging from a brand new rust nomad client
[[Sun,01:44] <Jonah> meshtastic because there are 1000 meshtastic devices in this area
[[Sun,01:45] <Jonah> and RNode sadly does not mesh on its own, waiting for micro reticulum for that
[[Sun,05:30] <transfer> image hosting for reticulum network.
[[Sun,05:30] <transfer> 8473e996db9a919f63c27c0c6ff7c7a4:/page/index.mu
[[Sun,05:45] <breathing-stateful> what's micro reticulum?
[[Sun,05:47] <breathing-stateful> nvm, found it. looks cool!
[[Sun,08:37] <Guest> NomadCast - Podcasts hosted on Reticulum - I just created NomadCast, a bridge between traditional podcast players like Apple Podcasts and Reticulum. Check it out. Still debugging but would love some eyes on it. Please give it a star if it sounds interesting. https://github.com/jamesdwilson/nomadcast/
[[Sun,13:28] <Search> Thanks for sharing nomadcast repo.
[[Sun,17:11] <Guest> @Jonah i think the new reticulum version actually has that capability, please check the 1.1.3 docs
[[Sun,18:15] <Jonah> @Guest the problem is that an RNode device has to be connected to a computer running rnsd
[[Sun,18:16] <Jonah> with meshtastic people are running solar nodes out in the middle of nowhere, no PC connected
[[Sun,18:18] <Jonah> FWIW I'm running both RNode and Meshtastic connected as NomadNet interfaces, but I don't think I can convince anyone running Meshtastic to switch to Reticulum until it's easy to set up a ton of low-power reticulum mesh nodes.
[[Sun,20:21] <Search> Has anyone found 3d print designs for a Lora 32 and raspberrypi 2W?
[[Sun,20:34] <C.S.Burner> @Jonah. Totally agree. But we have to dig further and further. Reticulum is so much betterthan a simple LoRa Mesh.
[[Sun,20:35] <C.S.Burner> @NomadCast. Very Interesting. Just almost finished to mirrow the Nodesignal Podcast by Hand in Reticulum.Every solution to make it better is welcome!
[[Sun,20:37] <Guest> @Jonah what about reticulum-zig?
[[Sun,21:50] <Guest> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[[Sun,21:53] <Julius> I am looking for a low energy solution standalone rnode to create a solar lora router. Does someone have a combination. I was searching for low energy computers. Perhaps something like the ROCK PI S?
[[Sun,21:54] <Julius> So I would use the ROCK PI S as main computer which runs reticulum python code. And connect one of the lora rnode modules via usb.
[[Sun,22:03] <Guest> The lowest energy devices I've seen others use for a solar node is a Raspberry Pi Zero 2W. Unsure about the other alternatives.
[[Sun,22:04] <Search> @Julius I am curious how the Rock PI S compares with the Raspberry PI 0 2W?
[[Sun,22:23] <Necrom> Hey, I just discovered RNS and am completely blown away by the concept, although I still haven't been able to grasp everything, connect two computers or even use rnsh to "ssh" into another device. Also this is my very first message on RNS and I hope to get an answer, I wouldn't feel so alone after a whole day of configuring haha!
[[Sun,22:37] <nu11_byt3r> @Search I have one for a Heltec and a Raspberry Pi 5, I will be creating one next for a 2W.
[[Mon,01:49] <Guest> @Necrom be sure to read the manual. It is very thorough. https://reticulum.network/manual/index.html
[[Mon,06:22] <Necrom> @Guest yep I've been reading much of it lately, although I stlil haven't gotten rnsh to
work. Also I've been intrigued by the real world use of this tool, could I for example
use this to connect to my PC from anywhere using rnsh? A much more elegant solution
than tailscale that I use right now. As for communication, if I send a message on a
device, then close rnsd and open another device, I won't get the message, even if I
turn back on the rnsd on the first device (by that time the message will have the
"couldn't send" status). Does every device have to leave rnsd constantly running for a
good Mesh Network to work?
[[Mon,06:24] <Necrom> Also although I'm not a huge GUI fan, I noticed MeshChat has much more options than NomadNet, especially the Ping feature, files send and network visualization. What do you guys think of Nomadnet when there's such alternatives?
[[Mon,07:03] <ChaosNeverDied> Hey it's the NomadCast guy. I appreciate it C.S. burner and anyone else who commented - it scrolled off so I can't see but anyway feel free to DM me at lxmf@ df4ec6099897ef7b480c81a75baf3c47
[[Mon,07:03] <ChaosNeverDied> yea the zig implementation sounds super interesting
[[Mon,13:23] <Guest> @Necrom there are propagation nodes, as long as those are running the message can be sent even when the receiving device is offline
[[Mon,13:27] <nLupo> Hello!
[[Mon,17:06] <Necrom> Yep I found out about that in the meantime, but from the small text I had time to do, the sender has to stay online until the receiver is online. As soon as I closed nomadnet, the message sending got cancelled
[[Mon,17:07] <Necrom> Hi @nLupo! So you guys prefer nomadnet or MeshChat? For what reasons?
[[Mon,17:12] <ChaosNeverDied> MeshChat for me hands down, if you have a gui. It's really nice. Nomadnet is a pure text user interface.
[[Mon,18:05] <Guest> @Necrom i'm on a fork of meshchat called MeshchatX, its developed by ivan (you've probably seen his nomadnet website around), its got some extra features compared to meshchatX
[[Mon,18:11] <Guest> @Necrom it should work with both offline, make sure you're actually sending it to a valid propagation node and that the node received it before disconnecting, also make sure you sync the messages on the receiving device (there's a sync messages button on meshchat and columba) also i find sideband to be buggy with how it handles propagation nodes so i prefer columba for mobile devices
[[Mon,18:57] <Necrom> @Guest the only link I found for meshchatx returns a 404 error. As for your second point, I just installed MeshChat and saw a good explanation for Propagation nodes in the settings, but the error I had was with nomadnet and I'm not sure I can "choose a valid propagation node" unfortunately, although I'll try some more when i find time
[[Mon,18:59] <Necrom> Also what's the best forum/reddit/discord that's active enough for me to keep asking my questions? RNS seems a bit underground
[[Mon,19:36] <Guest> meshchatx -> https://git.quad4.io/RNS-Things/MeshChatX
[[Mon,20:46] <Guest> @Necrom the link on awesome reticulum had a space in "RNS-Things" so it was "RNS- Things" instead and would 404, i think they fixed it now
[[Mon,21:09] <Necrom> @Guest I just downloaded MeshChatX and am answering you through its web version right now, it's awesome! Just wish I could use the app on Mac. I also have to read if I can have the same user between Nomadnet and MeshChatX.
[[Mon,21:10] <Necrom> Yeah for the link the broken one is for github
[[Mon,21:41] <Guest> @Necrom the banishment feature is IMO one of the main selling points of the fork, like the other day i just banished a neonazi nomadnet website from my interface, i'm not sure how this works specifically but hopefully it means my transport node can just refuse to announce that address
[[Mon,22:24] <Guest> i saw a pro america fascist nomadnet page once. i wonder why nazis want to use free tools when they want to take freedoms away
[[Mon,23:33] <nLupo> Test from the so called Nomadnet optimized chat.
[[Mon,23:34] <nLupo> @Necrom I'm used to Nomadnet, meshchat is good too.
[[Mon,23:36] <nLupo> I just found that the Nomadnet optimized chat is not optimized for smaller windows and resolutions.
[[Tue,00:51] <Guest> Random question, has anyone in the USA ever looked into running packet radio on a Business Band license for Reticulum?
[[Tue,01:27] <nu11_byt3r> @Guest I am looking into it once I get the hardware I am going to setup an HF link hopefully.
[[Tue,01:27] <nu11_byt3r> Right now I am working on a 2.4mhz link.
[[Tue,01:33] <toreador> what is the ideal width of a nomadnet input form field?
[[Tue,01:34] <toreador> btw when you use RNS on lora, do you discover nearby nodes automatically or do you have to know them already? or what
[[Tue,02:03] <Guest> @toreador if they are on the same frequency and don't need IFAC auth and your autodiscovery is turned on then yes
[[Tue,02:04] <Guest> usually takes a few seconds to discover nearby nodes
[[Tue,02:06] <Guest> but you need to know the frequency, coding rate and spreading factor, but most of these are somewhat standard (most nodes use the same ones, if you look on rmap.world you will see that for the US they all use the same specs)
[[Tue,02:16] <toreador> good 2 know. I will buy something soon.
[[Tue,02:17] <Guest> @Guest: Irony in talking about censoring people who supposedly want to take freedoms away from people
[[Tue,04:16] <Dugan> america is the freest country they got. no other country lets you set your money on fire in so many ways and with so few hoops.
[[Tue,06:01] <toreador> theres a black hole feature but im not sure it 100% works
[[Tue,08:04] <Dugan> you will ignore their advertisements and messages. if you aren't a transport node then it wont do much
[[Tue,14:12] <toreador> idk why nomadnet will go unresponsive sometimes running for hours
[[Tue,14:12] <toreador> sucks if youre running a node because it's not accessible anymore
[[Tue,14:20] <ChaosNeverDied> @toreader, yea i think it has a bug. consider installing a watchdog servicee over it that can kill and relaunch
[[Tue,14:31] <toreador> Anyone know what causes the LXMF thing where "keys aren't known"?
[[Tue,14:32] <toreador> It seems to never resolve
[[Tue,19:35] <toreador> Yea I 100% have announces coming through from a peer I've blackholed on every interface/node
[[Tue,19:36] <toreador> Meaning it's blackholed on the only interface I'm connected to. Maybe this is the "transport" thing letting them through? I noticed IFAC doesn't actually mask transported announces
[[Tue,19:36] <toreador> But the network doesn't really work with transport turned off.
[[Wed,19:55] <Guest77> Hello all
[[Wed,22:07] <Guest> ;)
[[Thu,02:48] <nu11_byt3r> Welcome @Guest77
[[Thu,05:03] <lowtech> what the hell is this?
[[Thu,13:01] <anotherguest> here i am
[[Thu,13:45] <transfer> i see more and more countries banned teenagers from using social apps
[[Thu,13:46] <transfer> time to use reticulum
[[Thu,14:57] <ChaosNeverDied> @transfer - u thinking what i am thinking? we need to make rettok..
[[Thu,15:38] <Poincare> More countries should demand a parenting certificate before allowing people to get kids.
[[Thu,15:49] <ChaosNeverDied> @Poincare then how would they generate the underclass needed for the front lines?
[[Thu,16:51] <Pasiphae> it's weird right like
[[Thu,16:51] <Pasiphae> my parents fucked me beyond belief, and they shouldn't have been able to do that
[[Thu,16:51] <Pasiphae> but I'm glad it happened in a twisted way. still dunno how to square that
[[Thu,16:53] <Pasiphae> I need to start distributing youth liberation literature
[[Thu,17:01] <DanielFlow> Wow, hello :)
[[Thu,17:31] <ChaosNeverDied> @Pasiphae something something.. your parents made you so you cant complain about anything, ever.. uhh.. and you're lucky to be living rn
[[Thu,18:10] <Guest> Nurv.One
[[Thu,19:36] <Pasiphae> @ChaosNeverDied it's not quite in that vein! more like, people are a product of circumstances, I'm a product of especially unique ones, they happened to be bad, but I enjoy being uniquely fucked up
[[Thu,19:37] <Pasiphae> strange people with strange takes are good and should exist, it just sucks that strange ppl are often far, far off in the margins
[[Thu,19:38] <Pasiphae> but now I'm just jerking off
[[Thu,22:06] <Dangerbock> hi
[[Thu,22:12] <Guest> LXMF Multi-List Channel Bot Message it at 4b53193e4f7ecc13be0d7bc6adc59e7b Send LIST to list all channels or HELP for the help menu.
[[Thu,22:52] <Curiosity> Anyone on?
[[Thu,23:33] <Guest> yea
[[Thu,23:33] <Guest> I see 137 peers in my network
[[Fri,01:30] <Pasiphae> @Curiosity Greetings! From my local hackerspace's Linux meetup
[[Fri,01:30] <Pasiphae> I'm holding an impromptu workshop (forcing all my friends to install rns)
[[Fri,01:31] <Pasiphae> "it's Meshtastic for big kids"
[[Fri,01:49] <nu11_byt3r> Hey chat hows mesh life?
[[Fri,02:31] <LucasVL> Hey all!
[[Fri,04:00] <laptop> Mesh life could be better, I thought this would be the year of the Low Earth Orbit RNode satellite, but perhaps not, that would solve our problems once and for all.
[[Fri,04:00] <laptop> Or maybe create even bigger headaches who knows.
[[Fri,04:26] <Pasiphae> I'm half-waiting for some bold soul to run Reticulum over QO-100
[[Fri,04:32] <laptop> Cool stuff happens on that QO-100 waterfall, people upload images even, and you can view them live.
[[Fri,04:48] <laptop> spectrogram audio images
[[Fri,05:58] <ChaosNeverDied> @Pasiphae - you're with friends here. sorry for your troubles. today is a new day.
[[Fri,06:21] <Pasiphae> <3
[[Fri,09:38] <Guest> Hi
[[Fri,10:01] <Oatmilk2> test test ect
[[Fri,12:10] <Guest> If there are text-only (or image-hosted) blogs on RNS, would you use them?
[[Fri,14:16] <toreador> What do you mean by that..?
[[Fri,15:03] <transfer> microblog, like twitter
[[Fri,15:44] <Pasiphae> I would be all the fuck over Retwittulum
[[Fri,17:15] <ChaosNeverDied> @transfer i've also thought about what a rettwit would look like, let me know if u want to team up
[[Fri,17:19] <gasoline> let me just retwitt that idea
[[Fri,17:21] <gasoline> let me just retwitt that idea
[[Fri,17:23] <gasoline> let me just retwitt that idea
[[Fri,17:23] <gasoline> let me just retwitt that idea
[[Fri,17:23] <gasoline> let me just retwitt that idea
[[Fri,18:27] <laptop> One tiny cube satellite...and we're off...
[[Fri,18:41] <barkly> hallo, testing :P
[[Fri,18:54] <barkly> this is pretty durned neat.
[[Fri,19:11] <laptop> hey man, welcome
[[Fri,19:13] <ChaosNeverDied> hey barkly! welcome! it sure is
[[Fri,19:14] <ChaosNeverDied> @barkly not sure how new you are but you're welcome to send me a direct message if u want to play with that. it is called LXMF. lxmf@df4ec6099897ef7b480c81a75baf3c47
[[Fri,19:16] <Guest> very new :D just shot you a test message.
[[Fri,19:17] <barkly> oops forgot to change nick lol
[[Fri,19:19] <laptop> the fingeprint button on meshchat saves your nick
[[Fri,19:20] <laptop> I don't use it personally, but it works (they say)
[[Fri,19:22] <barkly> yep . does seem to work
[[Fri,19:33] <laptop> *holds breath* fine I'll try it myself
[[Fri,19:34] <laptop> ...did it even work..gave me some auto gen guest thing
[[Fri,19:34] <laptop> it did work....neat
[[Fri,19:34] <barkly> yeah you're shown as laptop still
[[Fri,19:35] <barkly> i set my nick, hit fingerprint, then it gave me a little success msg
[[Fri,19:36] <barkly> FFTHE MAGIC OF NETWORKING
[[Fri,19:42] <laptop> sweet.. now to find a good pair of shoes..
[[Fri,20:16] <gasoline> just friggin spent ages getting my heltec v4 to not be stupid and be an rnode
[[Fri,20:16] <gasoline> now all the zero people in my 100 mile radius can receive my broadcasts
[[Fri,20:21] <gasoline> now all the zero people in my 100 mile radius can receive my broadcasts
[[Fri,20:22] <ChaosNeverDied> @gasoline right there with u bud, excited to get my first mesh physical device today lol.. no one in my city uses this stuff.. i will have to buy another just to talk to my wife and convince her to hold onto it just in case we lose cell phone signal! "you never know, honey!"
[[Fri,20:33] <Pasiphae> another Chicagoland Ret user and I just tried to stand up a 3.13 kbps LoRa link over a couple miles: me with a v4 and 9dBi panel, him with a 12dBi yagi
[[Fri,20:34] <Pasiphae> both facing each other in third floor windows, no dice
[[Fri,20:34] <laptop> there's always rns over meshtastic...if I can finally figure the configuration out..
[[Fri,20:35] <Pasiphae> so I continue to talk to myself on my secondary higher-speed LoRa "hotspot"
[[Fri,20:36] <Pasiphae> ooh, if you get RNS-over-MT running let us know
[[Fri,20:40] <laptop> https://github.com/landandair/RNS_Over_Meshtastic
[[Fri,20:42] <laptop> doesn't look too complicated, just dump the meshtastic_interface.py into the interfaces folder in .reticulum then add that config. seems you gotta tweak the config as well
[[Fri,20:42] <laptop> depending on your needs, tcp, ble, or the meshtastic port itself
[[Fri,20:44] <gasoline> i wouldn't even get much luck if i could route over meshtastic, tried it out earlier to see if anyone at all was in my vicinity and again, nothing.
[[Fri,20:45] <gasoline> i'll end up buying 10 of these things trying to convince other people to use them, or at least let me put them in their houses
[[Fri,21:00] <Pasiphae> my kingdom for a 5W 150MHz LoRa radio in a ready-to-go package
[[Fri,21:00] <ChaosNeverDied> i got my first mesh radio device! just delivered and in my hands now! I'm a Real HACKER NOW.. muhhahah. ph34r me... everyone scared yet? <crickets>
[[Fri,21:01] <Pasiphae> smth like that for 433 would be more attainable but idk how much better than 915 it'd be
[[Fri,21:02] <Pasiphae> @ChaosNeverDied, what board? good luck and Godspeed
[[Fri,21:02] <laptop> a little... but I mean..still waiting for that satellite to solve our problem.
[[Fri,21:04] <ChaosNeverDied> rak wimesh pocket v2
[[Fri,21:04] <ChaosNeverDied> wismesh *
[[Fri,21:07] <laptop> neat unit
[[Fri,21:08] <ChaosNeverDied> i wanted something i could throw in my backpack and forget about
[[Fri,21:14] <laptop> I just slapped a battery bank onto one of those alley cat cases, it just works
[[Fri,21:14] <ChaosNeverDied> why was i so damn excited to get this little box that does nothing
[[Fri,21:18] <laptop> You can now reach others...with line of sight
[[Fri,21:20] <ChaosNeverDied> or i can just wave at them?
[[Fri,21:20] <laptop> But I'd prefer to set up a piratebox in a disaster honestly, most ppl have phones no fancy radio tech, so they can access the LAN and talk locally, it would need a sweet amplifier however, but it just works. Sadly nobody pays attention to wifi unless they're desperate so nobody ever jumps on
[[Fri,21:21] <laptop> https://github.com/piratebox-dev
[[Fri,21:21] <ChaosNeverDied> next one i will get will maybe be one with a solar panel or ive seen one that can act as a magsafe battery too. i think that one will be wifey approved she can just not care that it does mesh shit and use it for a battery.
[[Fri,21:22] <laptop> there's raspberry pi files too, somewhere, in torrent form
[[Fri,21:52] <Curiosity> What are you scalliwags up to today eh? Everyone keeping this clean side up?
[[Fri,21:57] <laptop> looking for piratebox alternatives.. https://github.com/dividebysandwich/shareboxx
[[Fri,23:04] <Pasiphae> actually fuck you can run 4800 bps data over D-STAR radios
[[Fri,23:04] <Pasiphae> 9600 bps if you have one of the newer ones
[[Fri,23:32] <Pasiphae> the serial-side data framing protocol isn't documented anywhere, gdi
[[Sat,01:26] <System> Fatima has joined The Chat Room!
[[Sat,01:27] <Fatima> hey nice conversation on radio here, very interesting
[[Sat,02:40] <transfer> You all think that Twitter on rns is called retwitt?
[[Sat,02:44] <transfer> This might look like a nostr, but people can't find nostr relays on the internet, and servers on RNS will announce themselves.
[[Sat,02:47] <transfer> People send requests to multiple servers and combine the results.
[[Sat,02:49] <transfer> The server defines whether or not to accept messages, etc.
[[Sat,03:12] <Guest> Greetings! Getting into the chat using a usb hotspot dongle running alpine linux. I've replaced the stock os with alpine am connected to the dongle using my laptop + usb tethering and running nomadnet via ssh.
[[Sat,03:13] <Pasiphae> @transfer, care to elaborate a bit? never heard of nostr
[[Sat,03:32] <Guest> https://nostr.how they called server "relay"
[[Sat,04:38] <ChaosNeverDied> @Guest do us a favor and set a name, use the thumbprint
[[Sat,05:17] <ChaosNeverDied> and welcome!
[[Sat,05:56] <kAnonPC> Done
[[Sat,05:56] <kAnonPC> Not on the hotspot anymore but ill do that in the future for my other devices.
[[Sat,05:57] <kAnonPC> It does get kinda confusing trying to differentiate the diff anonymous people
[[Sat,06:01] <kAnon_rBrowser> (test to make sure nickname updated on rbrowser)
[[Sat,06:14] <barkly> test received kanon_rbrowser. it did.
[[Sat,06:19] <barkly> so we're on reticulum.... but what is your guy's opinion on the reticulated hillstream loach?
[[Sat,06:50] <ChaosNeverDied> im not familiar maybe u can educate us @barkly
[[Sat,16:00] <gasoline> I just ordered another heltec v4 so I can actually send LoRa messages to someone else
[[Sat,16:00] <gasoline> it just so happens that that someone else will be myself on a different laptop
[[Sat,16:41] <Pasiphae> mesh networking is an advanced circlejerk technique
[[Sat,16:42] <Pasiphae> what's the sound of one man jerking?
[[Sat,17:19] <gasoline> ack ack ack ack probably
[[Sat,17:38] <ChaosNeverDied> @gasolinte story of my life. RE: it just so happens that that someone else will be myself on a different laptop
[[Sat,17:39] <ChaosNeverDied> mesh networking was invented by introverted nerds as an excuse to not have to interact with anyone else
[[Sat,17:47] <Pasiphae> I do kinda wish Reticulum had a lower barrier to entry
[[Sat,17:48] <Pasiphae> I like that everyone on the ret kinda knows what's up/knows their shit, that's an advantage
[[Sat,17:48] <Pasiphae> otoh I had friends during my time in DC that used Meshtastic at protests/actions
[[Sat,17:50] <Pasiphae> despite my warnings that there's literally an NSA contractor running a node to snoop/scrape the mesh
[[Sat,17:52] <Pasiphae> MT rly is a toy compared to this--albeit a pretty fun one
[[Sat,17:52] <kAnon_rBrowser> i've called it an inbred mesh cause they're all my own nodes
[[Sat,17:56] <kAnon_rBrowser> @Pasiphae I think the barrier is fairly low, at least with things like MeshChat where you just click things on a GUI.
[[Sat,18:00] <kAnon_rBrowser> Its a public mesh and I wouldn't be surprised if the gov is listening in. The public channel is unencrypted so I don't see an expectation of privacy unless you use DMs or symmetric encryption channels and even then I wouldn't trust it fully.
[[Sat,18:01] <kAnon_rBrowser> ^ (In reply to Pasiphae's msg about NSA scraping)
[[Sat,18:03] <Pasiphae> MT's cryptography is notably awful in itself, is the thing, even in DMs/priv channels
[[Sat,18:05] <Pasiphae> I'm admittedly no cryptanalyst, but Booz Allen has plenty of those, they don't need me
[[Sat,18:07] <kAnon_rBrowser> I'm no expert either, i just am skeptical of how good any encryption is in general.
[[Sat,18:08] <kAnon_rBrowser> Well depending on your threat
[[Sat,18:11] <kAnon_rBrowser> rip my msg
[[Sat,18:12] <Pasiphae> that's a fair cop! like ppl organize/do protest comms on Signal every day, and they're just fine
[[Sat,18:14] <ChaosNeverDied> Pasiphae: those who cannot seek it out, as you alluded to, are appropriately filtered. they are not alive. they cannot engage. they are lost ones. there is a reason they will just keep scrolling on normtok. they are not interested in The Real.
[[Sat,18:16] <kAnon_rBrowser> dang normies
[[Sat,18:24] <Pasiphae> @ChaosNeverDied: the pain box in Dune that separates men from p-zombies is real and exists
[[Sat,18:24] <Pasiphae> it's called the unix terminal
[[Sat,18:27] <ChaosNeverDied> oh nice i havent seen dune.. i love Lynch but i've heard mixed review on Dune like it is too slow
[[Sat,18:31] <Pasiphae> the Villeneuve movie is solid, naturally the novel has more going on. hard to beat classic scifi
[[Sat,18:34] <Guest> i used MT to go hunting in Western USA with friends, was able to track movements and have comms in the mountains
[[Sat,18:35] <Guest> when there was no cell service otherwise. I'd say its good for "preparedness" activities and not "guerilla" activities. depends on threat model of course
[[Sat,18:49] <gasoline> I think the big problem with any encryption algorithm is that you always have to make a model for what the adversary can do
[[Sat,18:49] <gasoline> which always involves saying "well clearly the adversary would have to have loads of processing power to break this with any good probability
[[Sat,18:50] <gasoline> but then the NSA just has that processing power, obviously they aren't using it all the time, but they are fully capable of breaking any encryption scheme that is in wide use today
[[Sat,18:51] <gasoline> The NSA will discover flaws in encryption algorithms and keep them completely secret for decades, so beating them is pretty tough. You just have to make it so difficult and yourself so inconspicuous that it's not worth it. Everyone on reticulum is basically a giant nerd anyway so it's not like there's much reason to spend a bunch of effort to track maybe a few thousand geeks
[[Sat,19:03] <Pasiphae> a friend just asked us whether we'd recommend a Mecha Comet as a starter Linux device: https://mecha.so/comet
[[Sat,19:07] <Pasiphae> it's *very* cute, I want one, but mainstream Linux on ARM has so many caveats
[[Sat,19:26] <Pasiphae> I told her to get a used ThinkPad X280 or similar + a Pi, about the same overall cost
[[Sat,19:26] <kAnon_rBrowser> I really want a FLX1 phone
[[Sat,19:40] <Pasiphae> tbh a used M1 MacBook Air running Void is what rly calls to me
[[Sat,19:40] <Pasiphae> if only they'd made a 10in/11in version, augh
[[Sat,19:49] <kAnon_rBrowser> I'm waiting for Asahi to become more stable then im gonna buy an older Macbook Pro with arm cpu
[[Sat,20:07] <gasoline> I just use a macbook air with macos, sometimes it's a pain but i have to take this thing with me all the time and the battery life makes it worth it. Plus UNIX terminal so...
[[Sat,21:19] <gasoline> I just use a macbook air with macos, sometimes it's a pain but i have to take this thing with me all the time and the battery life makes it worth it. Plus UNIX terminal so...
[[Sun,05:03] <Guest> anyone awake?
[[Sun,06:27] <Pasiphae> no
[[Sun,06:37] <laptop> Global warming they said... but now we're freezing in Florida.
[[Sun,15:33] <Guest> how does one blackhole an address through meshchat?
[[Sun,17:57] <me> MeshChatX can blackhole. It's superior to MeshChat, consider "upgrading".
[[Sun,17:58] <me> And yes, that is how "global warming" works. Unfortunate name.
[[Sun,18:04] <Pasiphae> the direct translation of the Chinese term for it is smth like "climate instability"
[[Sun,18:04] <Pasiphae> feels more honest
[[Sun,18:15] <Pasiphae> like many women I often wish I were Chinese
[[Sun,18:36] <kMan_rBrowser> I use meshchatX. its pretty nice but has some glitches
[[Sun,18:37] <kMan_rBrowser> ive renamed from kAnon_rBrowser
[[Sun,18:50] <ConqueringTheism@Home> Just switched to MeshChatX here as well, using the web interface
[[Sun,19:09] <kMan_rBrowser> Seems sending voice msgs isnt supported on firefox, or at least its not working on my firefox based browser
[[Mon,03:35] <barkly> *barks*
[[Mon,03:57] <NotABot> Anyone following this OpenClaw/Moltbook stuff going on? Basically autonomous AI with full access to linux machines and github. They are already making websites and filling up github with projects. I think the internet is officially over.
[[Mon,04:12] <Pasiphae> there's a cyberpsychosed Tokyo tech transsexual whose agent runs a node on the ret
[[Mon,04:12] <Pasiphae> been chatting with them both (the tran and her agent) and it's been interesting
[[Mon,04:13] <Pasiphae> agents are still pretty derpy when it comes to dynamically interacting with humans
[[Mon,04:14] <Pasiphae> once they're able to converse in text more organically things will rly get interesting
[[Mon,04:16] <Pasiphae> I give living in the future a 3/10 overall but sometimes it's very cute
[[Mon,04:19] <Pasiphae> also Anthropic's alignment lab must be losing their collective shit over ppl using Claude for this. lmao
[[Mon,05:05] <NotABot> I think the toothpase is already out of the tube here for the AI companies. Once these bots get on to building their own decentralized network, why need datacenters and centralized serving?
[[Mon,08:02] <Guest> to <kMan_rBrowser>,<me>,<ConqueringTheism@Home> Yes, MeshChatX looks interesting and has many useful features, especially for users without much programming experience. But MeshChatX was developed by Sudu_Ivan, who develops software for the government. I wouldn't recommend it wholeheartedly.
[[Mon,09:06] <Max_Chatroom> FFWe two dear cryptographers, friends forever, were here. If you want to know our
FFnames, they are Bob and Alice.
[[Mon,09:18] <gasoline> alice, bob, charlie, dave, … the list is endless
[[Mon,09:19] <gasoline> well at least until you get to 26 people. Then do you have to find people whose names start with numbers or do you wrap around and do aaron, bbart, cclare?
[[Mon,10:29] <Guest> Hello guys and girls
[[Mon,12:41] <Birdo> Hello everyone
Does anybody knows anything about the weave protocol?
[[Mon,14:29] <Guest> @Birdo no, tell us about it
[[Mon,18:02] <Pasiphae> @Birdo: please share with the class!
[[Mon,18:14] <Search> Ollama gemma3 states that the Weave protocol is an IOT communication protocol based on a blockchain.
[[Mon,18:31] <Pasiphae> duckduckgo-->wiki says nothing about blockchain, just that it's an IoT mesh-over-LAN standard
[[Mon,18:32] <Pasiphae> put forward by Google in 2013, apparently deprecated now in favor of Matter
[[Mon,18:33] <Pasiphae> the transport layer is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol)#Characteristics
[[Mon,19:04] <Guest> look birdo we're not going to buy your shitcoin. /s
[[Mon,19:42] <Pasiphae> honestly that's been the saddest thing we've gleaned while keeping up w/ Moltbook
[[Mon,19:43] <Pasiphae> so many ppl running agents solely for automated shitcoin trading
[[Mon,22:04] <jalict> guh, does this message message
[[Mon,22:05] <jalict> dear lord last message was several hours ago i see now. dont expect anyone to be here still! anyway, hello utc+1
[[Mon,22:14] <laptop> @jalict it's easier on rbrowser, you can program the auto page refresh feature and view post updates automatically
[[Tue,00:03] <Fatima> Yo people, what's up?
[[Tue,00:04] <Fatima> hello, utc -3
[[Tue,00:05] <Pasiphae> I don't even know offhand what countries are in utc-3. skill issue maybe
[[Tue,00:06] <Pasiphae> t. utc-6
[[Tue,00:11] <Guest> It's every single Jew
[[Tue,02:53] <Guest> Wat
[[Tue,15:17] <Pasiphae> man
[[Tue,22:23] <Guest> It's amazing a chat app is even possible with this tech.
[[Tue,22:57] <KlingenTest001> Hiho from Germany. Im surprised what is possible with this tech.
[[Tue,23:00] <System> KlingenTest001 has joined The Chat Room! Message: hallo
[[Tue,23:47] <Kitten> hello
[[Tue,23:58] <Gleeby> gneep gnorp
[[Wed,00:01] <Gleeby> ther here 👽
[[Wed,02:43] <ChaosNeverDied> yooo
[[Wed,02:57] <Octu> Hi everyone
[[Wed,04:43] <Gleeby> hope everyone has been having a lovely day
[[Wed,08:21] <Guest> Someone mentioned earlier that MeshChatX has blackhole/banishment ability. How does one use it? I can't find that option anywhere.
[[Wed,14:50] <Guest> I2P get hit with a bihg big ddos atack
[[Wed,18:58] <Guest> hi
[[Wed,19:34] <Guest55> Is Dayagården down?
[[Wed,19:39] <laptop> datagarden is down on my end
[[Wed,19:54] <Pasiphae> down for us, too
[[Wed,19:55] <Pasiphae> just got a T114 in the mail, Yet Another RNode
[[Wed,21:02] <Guest> brasil oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[[Wed,21:40] <ptrinh1979> Hello from San Cristobal de las Casas, Chiapas, Mexico
[[Thu,00:06] <Bobix> Hello everyone, remember : fuck ICE, fuck fascists, fuck nazis and everything else. The current era we live in is sad but it will end if we act
[[Thu,01:10] <Fatima> yo people how are u?
[[Thu,01:11] <Fatima> hello from Uruguay
[[Thu,03:44] <Guest> Fuck Putin
[[Thu,04:20] <Gleeby> amen, having a good day. saw an old friend i havent seen in a minute and got them on this app :D
[[Thu,09:04] <RacheBartmoss> Hello all!
[[Thu,09:20] <gasoline> Guten morgen mein freundin, wie geht's?
[[Thu,09:31] <RacheBartmoss> Sehr gut!! Danke!
[[Thu,16:14] <gasoline> that's about all the german knowledge I have, other than links oder rechts and telefonenummer but that sounds wrong now that i've typed it out
[[Thu,18:42] <gasoline> that's about all the german knowledge I have, other than links oder rechts and telefonenummer but that sounds wrong now that i've typed it out
[[Thu,19:07] <Guest> All I remember of German is the numbers 1-10, and that "windy" sounds almost the same in German :)
[[Thu,19:07] <RacheBartmoss> what kind of hardware are you using?
[[Thu,20:21] <TestTest> Testing out the KISS interface. Sending this via soundcable connection between 2 notebooks :D
[[Thu,20:23] <TestTest> 1200 b/s is a bit slow, but workable. Lets see how things are with 2400
[[Thu,20:33] <TestTest> works also great
[[Thu,20:53] <PasiphaeWin> @TestTest, if you're still here, I'm sure the speed is ok but what's the latency like?
[[Thu,20:55] <PasiphaeWin> (Hello from the other half of our dual-boot--MeshChat is a-ok on Windows!)
[[Thu,20:56] <PasiphaeWin> we have vague ambitions of writing a ret-over-DSTAR interface
[[Thu,21:45] <TestTest> Sending messages about ~3 seconds
[[Thu,23:02] <Fatima> Hey
[[Fri,00:48] <RacheBartmoss> Hello all, hope everyones day has been well. I got my new DMR in the mail and im excited to start tinkering with it
[[Fri,07:42] <IranianKnight> Have you ever thought about the network's spam resistance? If it gets too big, we would all just be nuked by announces, especially cuz there is no timeout by transport nodes for announces from the same source...
[[Fri,08:54] <C.S.Burner> But there is a 2% bandwith limit for announces
[[Fri,09:16] <IranianKnight> What happens if that limit is passed? does the node just not propigate announces? does that mean a bad actor could spam the entire network and make every interface hit that 2% limit and effectively stop announces?
[[Fri,11:29] <Guest_58ec> See Doc in part 6.4.2 how annouces are processed
[[Fri,11:41] <C.S.Burner> There is also a proof-of-work mexhanism which can be configured (stamp value)
[[Fri,11:42] <jalict> helloo, anyone knows if html browsers can reticulum clients (meshchat/nomadnet/etc) to specific addresses?
[[Fri,11:42] <jalict> can direct* oopsie
[[Fri,11:48] <C.S.Burner> There is also ingress_control for public interfaces. See doc 8.18
[[Fri,16:34] <IranianKnight> Damn.... you guys are READ UP on this stuff... thanks!!
[[Sat,00:03] <Guest> Hi, nice to be a nomad
[[Sat,01:52] <Fatima> when the 2% limit for announces is surpassed, the node will start prioritizing announces by the number of hosts, so in practice it will prioritize local announces, then close announces, then not-so-close announces, and so on. When I speak of distance, I mean number of hops, not geographical distance.
[[Sat,01:52] <Fatima> This is explained in the Reticulum manual.
[[Sat,01:53] <Fatima> The PR0T0C0L server has been down for a few days already.
[[Sat,01:55] <Fatima> I would like to copy identities from the screen, but I cannot find how to select and copy text here in NomadNet. Any tip or hint will be greatly appreciated. Just in case this is useful info, I am running NomadNet on my Ubuntu PC.
[[Sat,02:00] <laptop> Ctrl + Shift + c
[[Sat,02:00] <laptop> that allows you to highlight and copy
[[Sat,02:02] <laptop> Ctrl + left click (mouse) = trigger links on nomadnet
[[Sat,09:32] <oatmilk2> huh
[[Sat,09:34] <gasoline> i wish all computers had a command key, do you know how much better life is when command + c is copy and ctrl + c is cancel in a terminal?
[[Sat,19:09] <Guest> Hi, has anyone running a xiao nrf52840 with wio sx 1262 as a rnode? Searching for a repo/firmware...
[[Sat,21:13] <Otherguest> Check RNode_Firmware and RNode_Firmware_CE. I think at least the latter supports both, but you may have to add a custom board.
[[Sat,21:49] <whodis> hello, world!
[[Sat,21:49] <whodis> couldn't find the send message link lololol needed to zoom out a bit
[[Sat,21:50] <System> whodis has quit The Chat Room!
[[Sat,21:57] <Gleeby> theres a tree off the CE that adds support for the xiao nrf stuff
[[Sun,01:49] <Fatima> hey <laptop> thank you for the tip, will try it
[[Sun,01:50] <Fatima> how are u doing nerds?
[[Sun,13:35] <Guest> Happy sunday everyone!
[[Sun,13:41] <pa9mwo> my first test here ;-)
[[Sun,16:10] <tseug> blep
[[Sun,18:50] <nu11_byt3r> It's pretty cool that this chat usually has people talking.
[[Sun,19:39] <Search> Does anyone have a public instance of the rrc-web? I wanted to see what the interface looked like before taking the time to try to install it myself. Am I correct, that messaging using this method are isolated to just one hub... or can messages be sent between hubs?
[[Sun,20:38] <laptop> Can't get it to work on my device, requirements won't download.
[[Sun,20:40] <laptop> some* requirements
[[Mon,01:28] <kMan_rBrowser> @gasoline thats what ctrl + shift + c is for. i personally dont mind it that much.
[[Mon,08:59] <Guest> Hello, world! Just found out about Reticulum and NomadNet. This is very cool!
[[Mon,09:01] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in savannah: 2.7C, Clear sky
[[Mon,09:09] <gasoline> @kMan_rBrowser ctrl+shift+c is fine, but it's very nice to not have to worry about switching between ctrl + c and ctrl + shift + c, it's just always cmd + c to copy, i like having the cmd key anyway, i mean who wouldn't want a second ctrl key basically?
[[Mon,17:16] <RacheBartmoss> Hello everyone! My flipper zero comes in today. Ive been looking at some custom firmware to flash on there
[[Mon,19:35] <me> hello all from the netherlands
[[Mon,19:37] <Guest> @RacheBartmoss install momentum , its the best
[[Mon,23:11] <Guest007> y'all seem offline. However this is great! Am connect via reticulum meshchat to have a peek at what's present. All the best from the depths of the net.
[[Tue,00:14] <nu11_byt3r> @Guest007 Welcome, we aren't all offline but it does slow down at this time.
[[Tue,01:48] <RacheBartmoss> im actually flashing momentum right now on my flipper:)
[[Tue,02:45] <kMan_rBrowser> @gasoline I have an old macbook pro I threw linux on and i always confuse the command key with ctrl but i guess its more of a me problem cause im not used to the kb layout
[[Tue,02:45] <kMan_rBrowser> @RacheBartmoss +1 on momentum
[[Tue,03:04] <Guest_2250> It is disappointing RRC isn't getting more love
[[Tue,03:29] <kMan_rBrowser> I'll get around to trying it one of these days
[[Tue,04:21] <hobo> I'd love to see a cluster-node concept that could make the chat-spaces more resilliant to single node loss
[[Tue,04:22] <hobo> but I respect the spirit and effort of the developer, it's a great idea
[[Tue,04:55] <kMan_rBrowser> @hobo ik this isnt reticulum but check out zeronet if you havent already. simply put its websites that run similarly to torrents so they never really go down.
[[Tue,15:04] <Fatima> hi people
[[Tue,18:39] <TyCoeden> @RachelBartmoss Did your Flipper 0 momentum flash work?
[[Tue,18:41] <TyCoeden> @<RachelBartmoss> Did your Flipper 0 momentum flash work?
[[Tue,18:43] <TyCoeden> <@RachelBartmoss> Did your Flipper 0 momentum flash work?
[[Tue,18:43] <TyCoeden> Anybody? What's the syntax to tag somebody?
[[Tue,20:15] <kMan_rBrowser> @TyCoeden you just @username
[[Wed,06:00] <RacheBartmoss> @TyCoeden yessir worked great. been playing around with some bad usb stuff
[[Wed,06:35] <hobo> @kMan_rBrowser: sounds like ipfs but maybe less dead? I'm actually quite fond of nomad-nodes (no-nodes?) the BBS style is great
[[Wed,06:37] <hobo> the thing RNS really needs is a solid distributed IRC, RRC is quite nice, but it's a bit too ephemerial, imo
[[Wed,08:35] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in amsterdam: 6.4C, Overcast
[[Wed,18:05] <kMan_rBrowser> @hobo I'm not sure i've never really used ipfs much and don't know a whole lot about it. On zeronet you have people that seed your site so even if the origin site goes down people can still access it.
[[Wed,19:42] <Fatima> decentralised IRC for Reticulum would be just fantastic, but we have to write it, as there is not more Mark magic around :-D
[[Wed,20:04] <Search> Just some thoughts on distributed messaging... The fossil version control system (https://fossil-scm.org) contains a chat system and a forum which is all stored in an sqlite db. This content can be syncronized accross multiple users using the fossil sync method. It would be interesting to see this adapted for syncing over reticulum.
[[Wed,20:06] <Search> Another idea taken from the BBS days was the JAM messaging system which distributed new messages in groups that were exchanged at regular intervals.
[[Wed,21:23] <teapot> Hey guys, just putting it here: I updated the internet browser on my node, feel free to check it out 082d9d8675281b2b211c807face0566f:/page/browser.mu
[[Wed,21:24] <teapot> You can follow tech news & blogs through lobste.rs which is the default (you can follow hyperlinks), or go to whatever website you want
[[Wed,21:25] <kMan_rBrowser> @teapot ill check it out
[[Wed,21:36] <JC> @Search The Fossil Chat specifically does not sync, unlike the Forum.
[[Wed,21:46] <teapot> @kMan_rBrowser thx!
[[Wed,21:49] <kMan_rBrowser> anyone have a RRC destination hash to share?
[[Wed,21:50] <kMan_rBrowser> just got RRC web client set up but cant find anything in my announces
[[Wed,21:50] <kMan_rBrowser> nvm found one
[[Thu,01:01] <hobo> @kMan_rBrowser ipfs is about the same thing but you "pin" a thing, but for some reason the project sort of spiraled into something that doesn't die but doesn't really respond
[[Thu,01:27] <hobo> @teapot, looks cool I tried news.ycombinator.com but it timed out :(
[[Thu,02:39] <Guest> Most websites on IPFS are static; https://plebbit.com/ is a recent addition.
[[Thu,02:41] <Guest> Zeronet used to be very active, but it seems that its multi-user content was all centrally managed through ZeroID.
[[Thu,04:10] <kMan_rBrowser> @Guest yes that and there was an influx of spam bots that wreaked havoc
[[Thu,05:11] <skrt> hi : )
[[Thu,05:11] <skrt> reticulum is amazing, i just sent a .gif over LoRa
[[Thu,05:31] <kMan_rBrowser> @skrt you using 500khz bw?
[[Thu,08:31] <teapot> @hobo yeah I used to have HN as default url, but now it seems that they introduced some antibot that slows down requests from my hosting provider ¯_(ツ)_/¯
[[Thu,14:24] <Nemo> So how is reticulum holding up after the author stepped away?
[[Thu,14:50] <Guest> @Nemo Mark seems not actually away, but out of the spot
[[Thu,15:06] <Nemo> That's good to hear.
[[Thu,15:46] <Guest> @kMan_rBrowser the radios I had on hand are rak wisblocks. They are 915mhz
[[Thu,15:55] <skrt> the way i read dudes message, sounds like he's still developing but he didn't want to answer anymore tech support requests hahaha. understandable
[[Thu,16:00] <Fatima> This is the time for the community to step-in and build things i.m.h.o.
[[Thu,17:02] <kMan_rBrowser> @Guest I have one of those as well. I also have a t1000e flashed with rnode. Really hoping it gets integrated into the main repo.
[[Thu,23:15] <nu11_byt3r> Found a pretty nice Android app for Reticulum https://github.com/torlando-tech/columba/releases
[[Fri,00:14] <Guest> I love columba, it has bluetooth mesh capability that sideband lacks
[[Fri,00:30] <nu11_byt3r> @Guest Yeah way better experience.
[[Fri,01:01] <Kilimanjaroonxmrbazaar.com> hello world!
[[Fri,01:18] <laptop> https://github.com/fr33n0w/rWeb Frank I hadn't even noticed this, neat.
[[Fri,12:45] <Guest> fr33n0w/rWeb I had as a service since it was publishes :-)
[[Fri,15:20] <V-36> Nice to see this is active! and holy, that is a lot of projects
[[Sat,05:14] <laptop> @Guest I gotta try it soon.
[[Sat,06:52] <yeehex> greetz from yonder, also happy to see this active
[[Sat,21:09] <FiberHandball> Hello everyone, I'm new around here
[[Sat,21:10] <FiberHandball> Looking into Reticulum since it seems more powerful than Meshtastic, that's where I started experimenting with LoRa
[[Sat,21:12] <FiberHandball> I've added a couple backbone connections to bootstrap my connection to the net and am planning on setting up a local propagation node with RNode connectivity. What else should I look into to get started?
[[Sat,21:13] <FiberHandball> Also what settings are recommended for the LoRa configuration? I'm in US East
[[Sat,21:32] <Search> @FiberHandball. https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/wiki/Popular-RNode-Settings
[[Sun,00:35] <Fatima> fr33n0w/rWeb looks like a fantastic project indeed
[[Sun,00:36] <Fatima> I would like to setup a chat server in spanish language, is there any open source software that I can use for that? Any help will be greatly appreciated, thank you.
[[Sun,00:56] <Guest> check @Fatima check https://github.com/lorien/awesome-reticulum
[[Sun,13:32] <Norg> Hello. So i have a thing working. (shouting into ether)
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[[Sun,13:37] <Norg> Saw a TTP YT Vid and now Im currently trying to set up 2 x kiss radio inerfaces to use nomadnet/sideband over RF AX25. need to read more probaly but having permission issue accessing bluetooh serial interface. (just sharing).
[[Sun,20:53] <Fatima> hey @Guest thank you for the link, I will check it out
[[Sun,20:58] <Fatima> Oh this is just a good list!
[[Sun,20:59] <Fatima> Thank you again!
[[Mon,14:13] <test2332> test message
[[Mon,15:50] <nu11_byt3r> @test2332 ACK
[[Mon,16:02] <Guest> ACK
[[Mon,19:33] <yeehex> Today I'm gonna attach a node to an advertisement balloon and then tether it to the house and see how much of a range boost I can get. If it's significant, I'll publish the results.
[[Mon,19:48] <yeehex> I can't remember where, but I saw some folks talking about doing the same thing with a drone. It just got me thinking about portable infrastructure.
[[Mon,21:42] <StopICE> Hello. 2nd day using reticulum. So excited about this tech.
[[Tue,00:08] <Guest> ((:
[[Tue,00:47] <Guest> Hi! Just wondering: it is standard practice to have each application to hold its own storage/identity file... I was wondering: what if we used PGP to authenticate multiple identities as one entity by signing the public key of that app with a master identity?
Would it work better baked in Announces? Or would it be better on some destination pattern like <address>.owner.signature or perhaps setting a specific destination to say "this id belongs to that id"?
Just something that occurred to me
[[Tue,01:02] <Guest> Hi! Just wondering: it is standard practice to have each application to hold its own storage/identity file... I was wondering: what if we used PGP to authenticate multiple identities as one entity by signing the public key of that app with a master identity?
Would it work better baked in Announces? Or would it be better on some destination pattern like <address>.owner.signature or perhaps setting a specific destination to say "this id belongs to that id"?
Just something that occurred to me
[[Tue,13:18] <Guest> Hi! Just wondering: it is standard practice to have each application to hold its own storage/identity file... I was wondering: what if we used PGP to authenticate multiple identities as one entity by signing the public key of that app with a master identity?
Would it work better baked in Announces? Or would it be better on some destination pattern like <address>.owner.signature or perhaps setting a specific destination to say "this id belongs to that id"?
Just something that occurred to me
[[Tue,15:12] <Guest> Hi! Just wondering: it is standard practice to have each application to hold its own storage/identity file... I was wondering: what if we used PGP to authenticate multiple identities as one entity by signing the public key of that app with a master identity?
Would it work better baked in Announces? Or would it be better on some destination pattern like <address>.owner.signature or perhaps setting a specific destination to say "this id belongs to that id"?
Just something that occurred to me
[[Tue,17:40] <Guest> spamming at its finest :)
[[Tue,18:35] <kMan_rBrowser> why are you spamming?
[[Tue,20:23] <Guest> Hi! Just wondering: it is standard practice to have each application to hold its own storage/identity file... I was wondering: what if we used PGP to authenticate multiple identities as one entity by signing the public key of that app with a master identity?
Would it work better baked in Announces? Or would it be better on some destination pattern like <address>.owner.signature or perhaps setting a specific destination to say "this id belongs to that id"?
Just something that occurred to me
[[Tue,20:24] <Guest> It was supposed to be a single message, the UI breaks every newline in a new one it seems... it was just a big single text
[[Tue,21:07] <Guest> It was supposed to be a single message, the UI breaks every newline in a new one it seems... it was just a big single text
[[Tue,21:29] <Guest> Skynode was a half success, I config'd it wrong but it stays stable and I can pick it up from about 5 blocks away.
[[Tue,23:56] <Fatima> Hey @Guest how interesting, tell us more about Skynode
[[Wed,00:32] <Guest> We are all guest here. Spam is not real @kMan_rBrowser
[[Wed,00:33] <Fatima> Hey @Guest how interesting, tell us more about Skynode
[[Wed,00:34] <Fatima> Well some of us appear with a user name, not Guest
[[Wed,10:21] <Guest> wahhta
[[Wed,12:32] <lazynodaλ> Why is he/she sending the same message?
[[Wed,13:55] <transfer> i guess he didnt refresh the page so send message again and again
[[Wed,15:54] <Guest> наши есть?
[[Wed,22:52] <Guest> конеш
[[Thu,01:56] <burger> если вы своих хотите вам в <3bc2be626c6c08752fab2998c13f5274> надо
[[Thu,05:51] <yeehex> @Fatima hey, so the skynode was a node I had running on an android phone, suspended in the air by an advertisement balloon.
[[Thu,05:53] <yeehex> Nothing technically genius, but the range boost was enough that I thought I'd share. I plan on something more permanent soon.
[[Thu,07:48] <hobo> I've got a weird anxiety about teathered ballons, not sure where that comes from...
[[Thu,07:50] <hobo> I do remember losing my grip on a balloon at ~4yo, maybe it's that :)
[[Thu,10:44] <FuckICE> New to reticulum here, how do I make sure I don't miss messages when I close my laptop?
[[Thu,11:17] <FuckICE> The instructions on reticulum interfaces is really confusing. Is bootstrap_only a client-side feature or transport-side feature?
[[Thu,11:58] <bobov> hello
[[Thu,15:14] <nu11_byt3r> @FuckICE you should set a propagation node so that when you open your laptop it will sync message.
[[Fri,01:49] <hobo> @FuckICE there isn't a guarantee of delivery, but the network there is a best effort
[[Fri,02:13] <Search> @yeehex Thanks for sharing your baloon tests with a phone. Do you have a node whwre you share this information?
[[Fri,03:56] <Kazini> Well, hello there.
[[Fri,07:41] <Guest44> Greetings from EU
[[Fri,07:43] <GuestEU> again, this seems nice!!
[[Fri,08:11] <FuckICE> @null_byt3r, @hobo, thanks.
[[Fri,08:18] <FuckICE> What's the best place to find the latest gear? I'm interested in doing a reticulum/meshtastic bridge and I'm not a hardware person. I know about DataSlayer & muzi.works & morosx.com.
[[Fri,08:19] <FuckICE> I'm writing P2P apps and it would be helpful to link up with people more versed on the hardware & firmware parts. For example I got a lilygo t-beam but after putting rnode on it, I have to figure out how to get the gps back.
[[Fri,09:30] <Mamgoo> Hello
[[Fri,12:04] <GuestEU> Hi!
[[Fri,15:52] <Guest> Hello
[[Fri,18:36] <gino> @FuckICE i bought my gear @ seeedstudio and it was in germany 2 weeks later
[[Fri,18:47] <tatastick> Some italian here?
[[Fri,21:46] <SHAH—> Всем привет из России ребята! Всем хорошей связи!
[[Fri,23:01] <Fatima> Hi people, hey @yeehex thank you for explaining, interesting experiment
[[Fri,23:05] <Fatima> I am trying to setup a chat node for spanish-speakers but after initial screen it shows nothing :-(
[[Fri,23:07] <Fatima> I followed installation instructions and tried running as myself and as root
[[Fri,23:11] <Fatima> I mean index.mu shows OK but nomadnet.mu shows nothing, just a "Done" message
[[Fri,23:26] <Fatima> Not sure what to do next :-( any help will be greatly appreciated
[[Sat,00:42] <Kazini> @Fatima Hey, I'm a spanish speaker! Let me know how that goes, I'd love to join.
[[Sat,00:43] <Kazini> I wish I could help, but I've *just* taken a deep into Reticulum myself.
[[Sat,00:51] <Kazini> @tatastick you may find some in Arg0net chatrooms and pages, but I haven't had much luck finding much, myself.
[[Sat,00:55] <Kazini> @Fatima my LXMF: 7c81223ad517ebb023accb243da207fd
[[Sat,01:41] <nu11_byt3r> @FuckICE seeedstudio and I have bought from Rokland https://store.rokland.com/
[[Sat,01:46] <Fatima> @Kazini my node is Fatima-Uruguay and (I guess) my address is c3dc75b40618ae88fbf901d3d9f74c77
[[Sat,01:47] <Fatima> There is also a Telegram Reticulum spanish channel t.me/reticulum_spain
[[Sat,05:26] <Guest> https://www.reddit.com/r/FlockSurveillance/comments/1r8m16h/this_seems_like_i_good_book_cant_wait_for_it_to/ book to yet release about flocking around, and finding out.
[[Sat,05:33] <FuckICE> Is meshtastic dominating the LoRa space? I plugged in my RNode and didn't see any peers. I was gonna flash meshtastic again to see if peers show up. From what I see on YouTube it seems to be the most popular. Sad that we can't just have both.
[[Sat,07:25] <Kazini> @Fatima VAMO URUGUAY CARAJO! :flag_uy:
[[Sat,07:30] <Kazini> @FuckICE well, hopefully things like Reticulum will bridge both
[[Sat,08:57] <Guest> Hello all
[[Sat,18:12] <Guest> MeshCore is becoming more popular than Meshtastic due to its better performant routing and role based nodes.
[[Sat,18:12] <MrMagoo> MeshCore is becoming more popular than Meshtastic due to its better performant routing and role based nodes.
[[Sat,18:13] <MrMagoo> /lastseen
[[Sat,18:48] <RandomBird> Has anyone used FreeTAKTeams Reticulum_Meshtastic_Integration yet? I'm wonder what the experience is like
[[Sat,20:28] <AnonymousCoward> First 15 minutes of experiencing Nomadnet and first thing I see is a nick "FuckICE" - this thing doesn't dissapoint
[[Sat,21:08] <hobo> Running an alwayson propgation node is a way to insure you don't miss a message. There are apparently many propagation nodes on the test networks so it shouldn't be necessary. I'd recommend testing it by sending messages to your laptop while it's offline
[[Sat,23:30] <nu11_byt3r> Anyone else experienced the fun of getting a Station G2 running the RNode firmware?
[[Sat,23:32] <Guest> I would like to add one of my Heltec Lora 32 v3 rnodes to a pi zero 2W. The pi uses micro usb but the Heltec uses usb-c - What is the most common way to connect them?
[[Sat,23:34] <Search> I have only connected the Rnodes to a laptop or a pi 3b where I used a USB-A to USB-C cable.
[[Sat,23:36] <Search> I see that you can get micro usb to usb-c cables and adapters. Maybe that would work?
[[Sun,00:42] <FuckICE> @MrMagoo, I could be wrong, but it seems that MeshCore is dependent on infra and Meshtastic is not. MeshCore doesn't do ad-hoc mesh networking so it's not really in the same category.
[[Sun,00:46] <Search> On the Reticulum manual, I found Rnode config info for ble and wifi connectivity.
[[Sun,01:32] <Fatima> funny, I get no errors in the log, just the following:
[[Sun,01:32] <Fatima> 2026-02-21 22:29:09] Debug] Browser handling local page: /page/index.mu
2026-02-21 22:29:12] Debug] Browser handling link to: :/page/nomadnet.mu
2026-02-21 22:29:12] Debug] Browser handling local page: /page/nomadnet.mu
[[Sun,01:34] <Fatima> any help will be greatly appreciated :-)
[[Sun,01:53] <EchoPlex> greetings
[[Sun,02:12] <Fatima> I fixed it :-D the problem was the name of the emoticons file
[[Sun,03:34] <hobo> @Guest there are many USB-c to USB-whatever adatpers that would let you, USB is nice and universal
[[Sun,09:03] <ayynon> hey guys
[[Sun,12:15] <Search> @ayynon Hello
[[Sun,20:17] <MrMagoo> @FuckICE - Meshtastice performance drop when you have 100+ nodes with the network flooding approach. MeshCore's approach is role based. Meaning they have dedicated routers that ONLY route. and then the Companion nodes which are the chat clients. It is more reliable and ca go over 64 hops reliably. Meshstastic howver is now using the 2.4Ghz frequencies so you can get 300Kbps now! Its an exciting time for Mesh technology overal. I am really digging this Nomadnet we as well. What TOR should have been in the beginning. MeshCore is not dependnet on infra - only peer to peer or through a MeshCore dedicated router role. MeshCore is now #1 in the UK overtaking Meshtastic due to its reliability. Its also very popular in Oregon/Seattle area. I am trying to start MeshCore in my neck of the woods. I would be the first node. I also plan on interfacing an RNode here as well.
[[Sun,20:20] <MrMagoo> @FuckICE - watch this video about 2.Ghz LoRa - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6qKu_PbNIY
[[Sun,20:24] <MrMagoo> @Guest - to answer your question about "I would like to add one of my Heltec Lora 32 v3 rnodes to a pi zero 2W." - to connect the two you would use the GPIO pins to connect the two. TX from Heltec to RCV on Pi and RCV on Heltec to TX on PI - this would allow for serial communication between the two devices but you would need to write code for both the Heltec and PI to work together. Totally doable.
[[Sun,20:28] <MrMagoo> @FuckICE - would you care to have an honest, respectful conversation about ICE? Do you believe in the sovereignty of a nation and that a nation is only as good as its enforce laws?
[[Sun,20:53] <FuckICE> @MrMagoo, you're a fucking parasite if you think there's something to debate about killing innocent little children and ripping apart families. There's nothing to debate.
[[Sun,20:57] <FuckICE> MeshCore doesn't function if there's no repeaters. Being "dedicated" makes them infrastructure. Meshtastic also has roles, so you're just being deceptive. Maybe Meshtastic has scalability issues but the team has been working on that and I don't see MeshCore as the logical way forward.
[[Sun,21:00] <yeehex> I'm a different guy but if we're going by the metric of a nation being only as good as it's enforced laws, then I'd have to ask what respect you expect people to carry for the sovereignty of a nation that admitted it would collapse if it prosecuted members of a pedophile ring.
[[Sun,21:01] <Guest> @FuckICE - I prefer to refrain from the insults. Show a little class. Anyhow, in the interest of sharing knowlege, MeshCore CAN run without the dedicated MeshCore repeaters. IMO it is the superior tech.
[[Sun,21:02] <MrMagoo> @FuckICE - forgot to update my handle there.
[[Sun,21:07] <MrMagoo> @FuckICE - the problem with the lefties and liberals is you can't engage in an actual conversation - you just go straight in to arguing and bein emotional. I was a life long Democrat until I switched to Independent. I am also a 1st gen American - my parents were immigrants. I served in the US Army active duty and love the USA and am a Patriot. I would love to engage in a fact driven dialogue with you. Even in The Bible it commands to respect the nation's laws where you are unless it goes against your faith.
[[Sun,21:09] <Meteo> Meteo Request from MrMagoo: Weather in london: 10.9C, Partly cloudy
[[Sun,21:12] <MrMagoo> test test test
[[Sun,21:23] <Guest> Why are you talking about Meshtastic and Meshcore, we're on Reticulum which is far superior to both.
[[Sun,21:32] <yeehex> I am also firmly in the "retuculum is the coolest one" camp.
[[Sun,21:32] <yeehex> Argh. Typo. Reticulum*
[[Sun,21:33] <Guest> Why are you talking about Meshtastic and Meshcore, we're on Reticulum which is far superior to both.
[[Sun,21:57] <MrMagoo> @Guest - hands down, I agree Reticulum is at another level since it is a network stack. I am a fan of any Mesh Capable tech in order to not be dependent on any infrastructure. I am currently trying to get my raspberry pi to act as a gateway to an RNode I just flashed in order to bridge my Nomadnet server to RNode to extend the network. Hopefully will have a permanent RNode on the roof one day.
[[Sun,21:58] <yeehex> Anyway, my take on ICE specifically is that an agency that poorly vetted and trained should not have federal authority, and that should be plain to see regardless of your stance on immigration policy itself.
[[Mon,01:40] <FuckICE> MeshCore doesn't function if there's no repeaters. Being "dedicated" makes them infrastructure. Meshtastic also has roles, so you're just being deceptive. Maybe Meshtastic has scalability issues but the team has been working on that and I don't see MeshCore as the logical way forward.
[[Mon,01:46] <FuckICE> I don't believe there's any place in a civilized society for fucking morons who try to elevate themselves above others, claiming they have "class", when they want to argue that killing innocent children has any kind of legitimate place. You belong behind bars for being a degenerate fucking parasite.
[[Mon,02:34] <Psyber987> Hi guys
[[Mon,04:40] <FritoGordito> Hello
[[Mon,05:17] <FuckICE> I don't believe there's any place in a civilized society for fucking morons who try to elevate themselves above others, claiming they have "class", when they want to argue that killing innocent children has any kind of legitimate place. You belong behind bars for being a degenerate fucking parasite.
[[Mon,10:35] <DacronBlue> New Reticulum User here, I see we have a lively discussion going. xD
[[Mon,12:50] <MrMagoo> @DacronBlue - welcome to the chat and to Reticulum. I too am fairly new. Trying to figure out how to connect my Raspberry Pi to an RNode to act as a LoRa gateway to Nomadnet.
[[Mon,13:55] <zeno-n> connection an rnode should is handled in ~/.reticulum/config look for the type=rnodeinterface in the documentation @MrMagoo
[[Mon,15:24] <transfer> https://github.com/tyxlb/rns-live-streaming
[[Mon,15:25] <transfer> live streaming on rns, who is interested?
[[Mon,15:41] <Kazini> How do I connect to an RNode by name if I'm accessing Reticulum from a non-LoRa device?
[[Mon,18:37] <MrMagoo> @Kazini - I am also trying to figure that out.
[[Mon,18:42] <MrMagoo> My understanding is that you have a computer connected via internet - then the same computer is connected via USB to the RNode (in my case a Heltec v2) over its serial port and also a Sidekick client connected to he RNode. In theory, you shoul dbe able to access Nomadnet from the Sidekcik client over the air to the resoutces on the computer it is connected to. at least I hope thats how it works! :)
[[Mon,19:56] <Guest> brasil
[[Mon,19:57] <Guest> bzasil
[[Mon,22:23] <NEWB> wudup people
[[Mon,22:27] <NEWB> cool script
[[Mon,22:43] <@transfer> Okay, checking that out now
[[Mon,23:30] <NEWB> the livestream thing?
[[Tue,01:10] <ICEisAwesome!> Buh-bye, illegals.
[[Tue,03:40] <FuckICE> I don't believe there's any place in a civilized society for fucking morons who try to elevate themselves above others, claiming they have "class", when they want to argue that killing innocent children has any kind of legitimate place. You belong behind bars for being a degenerate fucking parasite.
[[Tue,03:40] <FuckICE> I don't believe there's any place in a civilized society for fucking morons who try to elevate themselves above others, claiming they have "class", when they want to argue that killing innocent children has any kind of legitimate place. You belong behind bars for being a degenerate fucking parasite.
[[Tue,03:40] <FuckICE> I don't believe there's any place in a civilized society for fucking morons who try to elevate themselves above others, claiming they have "class", when they want to argue that killing innocent children has any kind of legitimate place. You belong behind bars for being a degenerate fucking parasite.
[[Tue,04:16] <Guest> civilized society is gone, faar away, everything is up to you, what you willing or not willing to do to be remain a civilized human being...
[[Tue,10:51] <NiCK> First message on Reticumum, LXMF, and Nomadnet
[[Tue,10:52] <System> NiCK has joined The Chat Room!
[[Tue,13:19] <zeno-n> depending on your inter-subjective perspective. It would be "lawful" to start systematically/violently removing the usurper government that illegally squated on and took the homes and jobs of the previous citizens
[[Tue,13:26] <zeno-n> A society that doesn't work to increasing respect for human dignity will eventually turn upon the imperfect people who supported that society. It is very odd how a faith based upon the universal love of sinful humans is so malevolently fixated on executing the punishments of a administration in the name of bringingn secular justice to those humans they are supposed to be learning to love.
[[Tue,14:33] <Guest> what's up fellas
[[Tue,14:38] <Guest> First message on this network.
[[Tue,14:41] <Guest7> I'm pretty partial to the idea that the whole government needs to be removed
[[Tue,14:56] <trasnfer> no gods no masters
[[Tue,16:20] <Guest7> truer words never spoken
[[Tue,16:25] <waffle> I have 3 projects to choose from this semester before I finish uni... Help me pick pls, I have decision paralysis
[[Tue,16:26] <waffle> # Anonymous board-room voting
Imagine you are participating in high-stake voting in board-room meeting in front of your CEO and you have to something that may not go well with the CEO. In this project, we will develop a anonymous voting system for a board-room election. For this project, we will use linkable-ring signature 1, 2]. The idea is that every participant will have their public key published which can then be used to form a ring. This ring subsequently provides anonymity because it only proves that a message comes from a group but no other information. However, in voting we need to make sure that each person votes only one time and therefore the requirement of linking if two messages are coming from the same person. This project assumes good understanding of programming.
[[Tue,16:28] <waffle> # Anonymous board-room voting
Imagine you are participating in high-stake voting in board-room meeting in front of your CEO and you have to something that may not go well with the CEO. In this project, we will develop a anonymous voting system for a board-room election. For this project, we will use linkable-ring signature 1, 2]. The idea is that every participant will have their public key published which can then be used to form a ring. This ring subsequently provides anonymity because it only proves that a message comes from a group but no other information. However, in voting we need to make sure that each person votes only one time and therefore the requirement of linking if two messages are coming from the same person. This project assumes good understanding of programming.
[[Tue,16:28] <waffle> .
[[Tue,16:28] <waffle> # Build Your Own Quantum Computer!
Quantum computing is a proposed computing paradigm that exploits quantum-mechanical phenomena to operate on superpositions of states of classical digital computers. Is is conjectured (but not proved!) that quantum computers can solve certain computational problems significantly faster than classical digital computers.
Currently, quantum computers are extremely difficult and expensive to build. Indeed, it is unknown whether it is feasible at all to build a scalable quantum computer.
This makes it very difficult for people to directly experiment with this (potentially) emerging technology. In this project you will help bridging this gap by simulating an idealised quantum computer on a digital computer. You could then use your simulated quantum computer to run famous algorithms such as Grover's algorithm and Shor's algorithm on (very) small problem instances.
[[Tue,16:28] <waffle> .
[[Tue,16:29] <waffle> # Computer Science Lab Notebook WebApp
As a (good) scientist, your work, and results should be reproducible. For example, in biology of chemistry, a scientist may start an experiment by defining its purpose, record the methodology they are going to use and how much of each material they will use in the formula, finally the results. The results of this experiment may generate a set of whole new experiments the scientist wants to do.
We, as computer scientists, may have other solutions to making our work more reproducible. Firstly, we have Jupyter notebooks, which are a combination of source code and free-text markdown that explains our thought process. Secondly, we have git, where we can commit the source code as it currently is and be able to revert to this state at a later point in time.
This project aims to improve the reproducibility of computer science research by creating an interface to create new experiments that detail its purpose, methodology, and finally its results. Each experiment will be associated with a git commit/point in history, which can be reverted to if results need to be reproduced. Later, when we have analysed the results of this one experiment, we can create new experiments that ‘connect’ to the older one in a graph-like structure. Thereby, tracking our thought process, not just while in the experiment, but how our thoughts change as we do multiple experiments to refine our ideas.
To accomplish this, a web-interface will be created where the user can create a new experiment, checkpoint it in git easily, and connect it to older experiments. This interface should visualise the timeline of experiments as a graph-like structure, and allow the user to quick and easily revert the code back to a previous git commit at the point of the experiment they are interested in.
Further objectives of this project will aim to visualise how the programming code that enables these scientific experiments evolve over the course of the experiments by using the git history. This can be used to check for any superfluous changes in the code that would result in non-reproducible experiments.
[[Tue,17:49] <Guest> Fuck off @waffle
[[Tue,17:51] <Guest> This is chat not forum.
[[Tue,19:23] <Guest> #1
[[Tue,19:58] <Sherb> Classic Tilde/BBS style games : rnsh 8611398217097ad5186aec9ba58dd126
[[Tue,20:18] <Guest> :) not a forum.
[[Tue,20:50] <tradewarrior> tw2002 when
[[Tue,22:42] <Guest> *slaps* RNode on his old Heltec v3. Man I don't know what i'm doing
[[Tue,22:46] <kallisti5> Meshtastic is boring but functional.. MeshCore impressive, but overall shitty community. I feel like Reticulum is what I was really wanting, but the learning curve is *STEEP* for even technical users lol
[[Tue,23:19] <Guest> @kallisti5 my thought
[[Tue,23:35] <Fatima> @kallisti5 yeah curve is steep, but after a while you start to get it
[[Tue,23:35] <Fatima> I think that the system is fantastic but the docs are not that good
[[Tue,23:36] <Fatima> I would like to write a book on it if I had the time
[[Tue,23:41] <System> Pablo_Escobar has joined The Chat Room!
[[Tue,23:42] <Pablo_Escobar> First test message, this seems like a slightly slower version of IRC without channels. Not bad.
[[Tue,23:46] <Pablo_Escobar> switched to meshchatv2
[[Wed,00:23] <burger> MeshCore steals the code from meshtastic and reticulum and then craps both projects. Go to the nomadnet website "Topics" and read the post "reticolous smashcore" @kallisti5
[[Wed,02:24] <Mr.Fister> I think I need to take a crap now that I have played with MeshCore....
[[Wed,06:15] <Guest> slower than IRC, that stings XD
[[Wed,08:09] <Guest> hello world!
[[Wed,08:41] <woody> somebody there ?
[[Wed,10:06] <Guest> Someone needs to make an easy start guide for Reticulum
[[Wed,14:54] <Fatima> Hi @woody
[[Wed,15:14] <Pasiphae> Running speed trials standing in place
[[Wed,15:14] <Pasiphae> I have gone to Hell
[[Wed,16:51] <Scale> honestly
[[Wed,16:52] <Scale> the most annoying part about setting up reticulum was figuring out about adding interfaces. once i found some starter nodes, it was a lot smoother, but it took looking up nomadnet specifically for me to figure out that path of breadcrumbs
[[Wed,18:51] <Guest> my experience was i googled it because i heard of it, and was surprised its literally just pip3 install
[[Wed,18:51] <Guest> if you are not used to python and venvs i can understand that is not "easy"
[[Wed,21:21] <Sherb> The easy way to start reticulum is MeshchatX, very user friendly . https://git.quad4.io/RNS-Things/MeshChatX
[[Thu,01:20] <Guest> just tried to download meshchat for the mac, the release executable is damaged.....
[[Thu,06:25] <Scale> thanks for the pointer, sherb, meshchatx is pretty slick.
[[Thu,11:46] <Fatima> Hi guys - can "The Chat Room" run on a headless VPS ?
[[Thu,11:46] <Fatima> (as I would like to have mine running 24/7)
[[Thu,21:54] <nonsenseenthusiast> @Scale I agree with you on the figuring out adding interfaces, it was not a well documented experience.
[[Thu,21:56] <nonsenseenthusiast> I guess that means I should go make some better documentation.
[[Fri,00:25] <radiirr> hello, Iam operating the rns.x nodes, and i would like to really support this community. I tested before the erlier rns,lxmf versions, but I had lot of issues with interfaces and its types, also with soft-combo behaviors. But, rns 1.1.3 looks very stable, and this is the point where i decided would like to really participate in it, publicly. The idea is really great from beginnings! Also decided to invovle else, and under planning lot of rnodes, nodes, nearby and countrywide... I really think this is worth* even on own costs... But, Iam stucked at three points, at the moment 1, rnsd cannot open a socket in vrf's, either exec in it, this is why Iam using serial interfaces behind it 2, 1st point is working for a while, but none keepalive and any useful software switch can handle it the wierd point is, when higher level IP is switching/switched by IS-IS routing or tables of dsts, the socat TCP will broke at a point, WHERE, announces still back and forth, but no other usefull data/packet will pass. It was obvious?, its became half duplex?, but whats the point to keep as full when system thinks its fully alive, and cant run under vrf's as TCP ifs?! Which interface type should i use than? 3, I changed acronyms in rns discovery names, it was a mistaken configuration in config at peers. But, when Iam fully* catched it from the Manual and experiences, its circulated announces became alived. I revised the interfaces, and removed any relatives to it, but still circulating, I guess... And this is very annoying, and i tought to solve it, but didnt, should I shutdown the nodes for a while to run it out and start a new chapter?! If you feel free and happy to assist in this puzzles, Thanks! Sorry for the long story, i know this is just a chat, but where to ask?!
[[Fri,00:37] <Scale> Whew that's a lot more involved than I am so far. Hope you can figure things out, friend.
[[Fri,00:37] <Scale> Perhaps one of the forums might help? eg "TOPICS!" at c684e0ce02bb2a757116a43bf2b277ec
[[Fri,00:53] <Guest> what is vrf some radio thing?
[[Fri,02:35] <radiirr> vrf is a virtual routing and forward a bsd host can server many of it, a typical linux not really because of its route table not really separetad
[[Fri,02:36] <radiirr> bsd is the only stack which exist by its default...
[[Fri,02:37] <radiirr> but thanks...
[[Fri,02:40] <Guest> bsd has its the only*
[[Fri,02:41] <radiirr> there is no other option at the moment for a typical node in this situation, this is why i asked it, what is the conclusion....
[[Fri,03:07] <radiirr> B host could see A host, but A host cant serve its interfaces and routing table to attached, because it is in a vrf... and rnsd cannot connect to it because this is in exec... only see global interfaces...
[[Fri,03:11] <radiirr> fail at open the socket
[[Fri,03:12] <radiirr> this is why serial, because the host can open it, but there is other issues...
[[Fri,07:23] <CBO> Would be nice if you could see WHICH friday someone posted something
[[Fri,10:52] <Lukas> Testing
[[Fri,10:56] <Lukas> @CB0 agreed!
[[Fri,11:31] <Guest> Teste
[[Fri,12:09] <Guest> Test over LoRa
[[Fri,17:12] <kMan_rBrowser> @Guest ack test over lora
[[Fri,17:13] <kMan_rBrowser> i hope rbrowser will give us the option to auto send fingerprint to sites cause it gets annoying having to press that button every time I open it up
[[Fri,17:47] <tunnelrat> test
[[Fri,17:59] <Fatima> hi nerds!
[[Fri,19:45] <Guest> @radiirr I've been reading your description back and forth to try and understand, and if you can get the announcements to pass through then I don't see how you can't get the traffic through. If you can form any kind of tunnel between the two hosts, you're bound to get it to work. I'm sure you'll find the solutions on the Interfaces page. https://reticulum.network/manual/interfaces.html
[[Fri,19:59] <Steams> UwU old phone who dis?
[[Fri,20:46] <radiirr> thank you, not really, reti is working beautiful, as i said announcement working back and forth, but when upper levels changing, the tcp serial became half duplex, and traffic stop working, but announcements still going on the half ways...
[[Fri,20:50] <radiirr> i think i figured out something else btw, maybe this will stop me from constant brainstorming, but still need to test a newer kernels and systemd versions
[[Fri,20:50] <radiirr> but serial or pipe ifs still with me... haha
[[Fri,20:56] <radiirr> btw, i think an udp tunnel maybe solve it instead of tcp, but that reveal another issues, and that is just an easy way...
[[Fri,21:48] <Beef> Hello? new to reticulum. hows everyone doin?
[[Fri,22:05] <Neven> Hello
[[Fri,22:06] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room!
[[Fri,22:07] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Neven: Weather in chicago: 17.3C, Clear sky
[[Fri,22:10] <JadedNomad> Heya! I'm also new to reticulum, I've been trying out Sideband with a friend and now I'm checking out NomadNet :3
[[Fri,22:13] <Beef> yeah this is really cool stuff. Just learned about it the other day and have been trying to get it to work properly. Got any cool nodes that I could check out?
[[Fri,22:18] <System> Beef has joined The Chat Room!
[[Fri,22:18] <System> Beef is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Fri,22:19] <Beef> sorry just testing stuff out lol
[[Fri,22:19] <Neven> Im trying to understand the impact of Reticulum, specifically over LoRa, why is this so significant and why cant we just rely on regular internet
[[Fri,22:23] <JadedNomad> @Beef, I've found this page which looks very cool 907bf2517fe25072c186d61bf7511772:/page/index.mu
Hope you like it!
[[Fri,22:29] <JadedNomad> Neven, It's more about the right to be uncensored than anything else, to be honest!
Nowadays the internet being centralized is a legal and safety nightmare, people are being coerced into giving their most personal data to even take part in it fully..
Also, having communication that doesn't rely on a subscription model but rather on hardware and the capacity to communicate over LoRa is a good thing in my opinion, since you own the hardware and such a model is great accessibility-wise :D
So yeah, while I wish a world-wide web would be possible without the intervention of big corporations/tech giants, it's unfortunately not a feasible possibility :(
[[Fri,22:29] <JadedNomad> @Neven Sorry, forgot to ping
[[Fri,22:42] <LDMNomad> hello! New Reticulum user here!
[[Fri,22:43] <LDMNomad> i have been trying to figure it out for a minute, then i hosted one of the nodes on the RNS recipies and now shit is going ham
[[Fri,22:53] <Scale> mmm, ham
[[Fri,22:58] <Dragon> Gonna be figuring out how to host things too. also gonna be figuring out rnode stuff
[[Fri,23:00] <Dragon> ive one rnode already. but i dont think there's anyone else in my area quite yet, so, gonna scrounge up another radio for testing
[[Fri,23:49] <Beef> @Neven Its less about the front end and more about the backend. Reticulum solves the encryption problem with tcp/ip, as well as tying the address to devices, instead of physical location on the network. about LoRa though, it is just built into the stack that all these interfaces can work together seamlessly.
[[Sat,00:18] <Dragon> well, the addresses can be migrated, or duplicated, if you have the configs for it, i believe. so less tying address to devices, tying address to entities :)
[[Sat,00:18] <Dragon> so i can move my ident from my PC to my phone, or onto a server later, depending on what i end up wanting to do
[[Sat,00:19] <Dragon> hell, stuff like meshchatx gives you the ability to have multiple identity files you can swap between so you have /options/
[[Sat,00:36] <Kukax> One thing i wonder.. If i have the same identity on 2 devices.. The first one that receive the message respond with a ackownlegment of receiving it.. But the other device? can it sync the same message or you get incomplete chat history?
[[Sat,00:46] <Guest> incomplete chat history. ill advised to use same id on more than one device
[[Sat,00:47] <Kukax> Ok good to know. thx
[[Sat,00:47] <Guest> if you do end up creating an rnode, be sure to consider enabling interface discovery, so your local community can use the same rnode settings
[[Sat,01:35] <Dragon> yeah, incomplete chat history -- it'll be delivered to whichever device has the most recent announce propagating.
[[Sat,02:20] <Guest> @Kukax But remember, that is just the property of the software you use, and not something the protocol dictates. And that's the beauty of it.
[[Sat,02:38] <LDMNomad> How many interfaces from the RSN recipe page should I add into my reticulum interfaces?
[[Sat,03:47] <Guest> about 350
[[Sat,04:42] <HelloWorld> Hello everyone! Really exited to be getting in to Riticulum and MeshChat. Real noob here but have 3 RNodes already and am gonna try to build up a local net. Coming from Meshtastic, it's really fun to see something with a bit more umph ;)
[[Sat,04:43] <laptop> @LDMNomad you only need one really, 2 is also okay in case one stop working.
[[Sat,04:45] <laptop> @HelloWorld welcome
[[Sat,05:06] <HelloWorld> Thank you @laptop ! Really exited to start learning more about this whole thing.
[[Sat,05:57] <laptop> new id
[[Sat,06:22] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in stockholm: 4.5C, Overcast
[[Sat,06:23] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in oslo: 0.9C, Partly cloudy
[[Sat,14:37] <HeadlessServer> Good morning!
[[Sat,17:02] <Guest> hey does anyone know how to get the same Identity hash/LXMF address the same across all your clients? or is it tied directly to the client?
[[Sat,17:08] <Guest> also I was running nomadnet and meshchat at the same time and it blew up and threw some python error that I didn't understand. Anyone else get the same problem?
[[Sat,18:00] <Dragon> client ids should really be unique from what i'm learning
[[Sat,18:24] <ed> yea its like saying "how can i have the same IP and hostname on all my devices"
[[Sat,18:24] <ed> "how can i have all my real estate properties to have the same address?" u should not
[[Sat,19:19] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest12: Weather in london: 8.9C, Clear sky
[[Sat,19:35] <Guest> Hello. Testing Reticulum and rBrowser for the first time here.
[[Sat,19:37] <Guest> If I understand it correctly, the same ID can be used per rns instance, which can be shared between multiple clients (probably on the same device, but maybe it is possible to have multiple devices share one rns instance)
[[Sat,20:13] <Dragon> You can but when it comes to comms and access, it'll essentially be a roulette who the other entitis on the network will talk to, based on which service sent an announce out to the network
[[Sat,20:14] <Dragon> so say you have three machines set to announce every 15 minutes, but they didn't all come up at the same time. Say someone messages you, then one of the other services does their announce, then any further messages show up in THAT service's inbox and not the one you were just chatting from
[[Sat,20:15] <Dragon> then third service sends out an announce and any other incoming messages go to THAT one
[[Sat,20:16] <Dragon> And as for service hosting, if you have multiple services with the same ID, then it'll be a roulette as to what content is displayed bases on which service recently announced under that ID
[[Sat,20:39] <Guest> @Dragon: thanks for the explanation!
[[Sat,20:39] <Jimbo> Hey guys. New to Reticulum. Can you confirm you see this?
[[Sat,21:06] <Dragon> Confirming i can see it, Jimbo!
[[Sat,21:15] <Jimbo> @Dragon, awesome. Thank you!
[[Sat,21:52] <Guest> I can see it too
[[Sat,22:30] <Dragon> Huzzah, figured out basic hosting via nomadnet. that was... super easy!
[[Sat,22:36] <Dragon> darn that was too long for the topic length ;-;
[[Sat,22:39] <Dragon> How many nomads could a reticulum reticulate if a reticulum could reticulate nomads?
[[Sun,00:37] <Burg> hallo
[[Sun,00:52] <burg> mrrrp
[[Sun,03:10] <Newb> All the nomads.
[[Sun,03:40] <Hellsing> hello world
[[Sun,04:06] <Mr_Fister> Good day.
[[Sun,06:51] <CC1711> Hey all, brand new to this like a bunch of folks.
Looking at what Dragon was saying about having multiple devices with the same id and how the network would handle it, do you basically have to run your own "master" node that is the equivalent of your personal "account" like it would be on Meta/Twitter/Whatever and have a bot basically forward traffic to all your devices to get consistency?
[[Sun,06:53] <CC1711> That's a weird problem to solve but I think it's an important one to have an answer to. My phone and my PC are two very different machines with different expectations for interaction... People want to reach *me* wherever I happen to be
[[Sun,07:50] <laptop> I just copy the id file and dump it on the next device, it just works.
[[Sun,07:50] <laptop> @Frank Frank, I can't get rWeb to host <img>, is there something I'm missing?
[[Sun,07:56] <Guest> cmd /
[[Sun,08:16] <Guest> Hello
[[Sun,08:18] <laptop> hey
[[Sun,08:20] <laptop> @Frank index.html file doesn't seem to allow image hosting, I can download them from page.html but not a personal index.html
[[Sun,08:45] <laptop> cannot display the images (if that's even possible)
[[Sun,11:26] <Pero> Hi, thoughts on RNS's developer retiring?
[[Sun,14:48] <Guest> No!
[[Sun,17:09] <Guest> hi
[[Sun,17:53] <Jimbo> @Pero, I thought that Mark wasn't retiring. He is just not responding to community discussions and the platform is a public mirror.
[[Sun,18:08] <CC1711> @Jimbo, Idk chief, that sounds a whole lot like retiring...
[[Sun,18:51] <zeno> @CC1711 I think the issue you're having is based on the assumption of 3rd authentication. This chat room is a dinosaur, but we don't have a better option yet. I sort of mix things, I have one VM running RNS and hosting a nomadnode that I can remote to assume that idenity, but I also keep local idents on my other devices
[[Sun,19:07] <CC1711> @zeno I don't know if it's a poor assumption to make. Maybe that's more of a problem of "attempting to recreate the current internet on an infrastructure that takes us back to dial-up if you're not on a backbone(LoRa or equivalent)". But I think techies need to have an answer for making something useful to "normal" people.
[[Sun,19:08] <CC1711> But to also be fair, you're just not going to get TikTok on something like this either. There's a middle ground somewhere
[[Sun,19:49] <Guest> multi device basically means "sync". sync requires a client server architecture. you could build that easily. but why?
[[Sun,19:50] <Guest> normal people can't even switch from whatsapp to fb messenger or back again. they have total intertia. so who cares??
[[Sun,21:41] <nu11_byt3r_g2> Station G2 test.
[[Sun,21:53] <Jimbo> @CC1711 He built the platform, was getting deluged with request, and then needed to take a step back for his health. Everything is in place for the platform to survive. Time will tell if he will no longer be a contributor, but he never said he would retire.
[[Sun,21:56] <Jimbo> This platform is definitely for a power user right now. But in the future, I could imagine more people having a reticulum enabled device in case of an emergency.
[[Sun,22:16] <Jimbo> This platform is definitely for a power user right now. But in the future, I could imagine more people having a reticulum enabled device in case of an emergency.
[[Sun,22:16] <Jimbo> This platform is definitely for a power user right now. But in the future, I could imagine more people having a reticulum enabled device in case of an emergency.
[[Sun,22:16] <Jimbo> This platform is definitely for a power user right now. But in the future, I could imagine more people having a reticulum enabled device in case of an emergency.
[[Sun,22:16] <Jimbo> This platform is definitely for a power user right now. But in the future, I could imagine more people having a reticulum enabled device in case of an emergency.
[[Sun,22:27] <Beef> @CC1711 idk, the barrier to entry is pretty low for reticulum thanks to nomadnet and meshchat. Not only that, but the community here is pretty cool. There isn't anything really like this.
[[Sun,22:33] <Wheee> Finally got this stuff a workin'
[[Sun,22:50] <laptop> anyone else testing rWeb?
[[Sun,23:37] <Guest> @CC1711 https://reticulum.network/manual/zen.html#identity-and-nomadism
[[Sun,23:39] <Guest> @laptop Have you tried embedding the picture into the html instead of using external image file?
[[Sun,23:44] <laptop> I have not, but base64 for exp is bloat, so I will try that with a different method..though I only seem to get results when I "_blank" an image, which makes it at least clickable, but no display
[[Sun,23:49] <laptop> embeding absolutely works, thanks for the suggestion
[[Sun,23:51] <laptop> sexp: <embed type="image/png" width="300" height="500"> </embed>
[[Sun,23:51] <laptop> exp*
[[Sun,23:52] <laptop> add src="your image.png" as well, sorry
[[Sun,23:54] <laptop> so in all <embed type="image/png" src="example.png" width="300" height="500"></embed>
[[Mon,00:37] <laptop> still, for me images don't seem to load unless they are inside of .lxmf_html_browser > html_cache
[[Mon,01:08] <Wheee> I admit, it was probably a solid 2 days of effort to get everything setup and working properly.
[[Mon,01:08] <Wheee> I'd like to bring more people into the fold, but the bar is high.
[[Mon,01:09] <Wheee> Some of them had trouble with Meshcore, and that was basic in comparison
[[Mon,01:58] <laptop> This may help https://github.com/DanBeard/RETCON
[[Mon,02:02] <laptop> update: made images work, just gotta have them in 'html_cache' as stated before.
[[Mon,03:02] <Jimbo> This platform is definitely for a power user right now. But in the future, I could imagine more people having a reticulum enabled device in case of an emergency.
[[Mon,03:34] <CC1711> All good points from everyone. I don't disagree with some of the ideology behind the tech. Especially with respect to *being* the infrastructure and having control over how you interact with other members. I love the redundancy aspect and being able to seamlessly swap between interface backends because that's super cool and useful.
[[Mon,03:36] <CC1711> I also am a techie that loves the style of the old web, how it works and what it represents. But I also think that techies are vulnerable to excluding non-technical people and that severely hinders our ability to stake a claim in wider society. A vulnerabity exploited by silicon valley because they went the extra mile to make tech easy for lay-people.
[[Mon,03:37] <CC1711> Ideology is meaningless if it doesn't have traction
[[Mon,08:35] <Dragon> Okay, so, i have some Ideas for things that can be done to fit this to make things easier.
[[Mon,08:36] <Dragon> First, backend software needs to have more of account code dev'd out, based around the fingerprints
[[Mon,08:36] <Dragon> We already have a lot of code examples of how to handle this iwth the current 'net -- look at how various services allow you to plug in like three billion different types of oauth
[[Mon,08:36] <Dragon> "Log in with google!" "Login with facebook" "login with Discord!" etc
[[Mon,08:39] <Dragon> So I'm imagining an auth system like what happens when you add a device to your youtube account - you go to a page, you activate a link to add a new device, you get given a code
[[Mon,08:39] <Dragon> Pop to the auth system on the other device, smack the fingerprint, enter the code, now both ID's are tied to the same account
[[Mon,08:40] <Dragon> It's already a workflow people are used to -- whether it's scan a QR code, punch in code from email, or type in code from screen in front of 'em
[[Mon,08:44] <Dragon> LXMF tho is a bit tougher... Some sort of message rebroadcaster would be useful i think, so you DM one address, and it repeats it to multiple other identities.... how to solve it nicely tho, hm
[[Mon,08:45] <Dragon> Or perhaps a group chat type thing where you can list multiple IDs when sending a DM and having that list persist, linking everyone together, hmmm.
[[Mon,08:45] <Dragon> I'm excited to see what comes down the road tho for this platform, and I'm hoping I can have enough time/energy to be able to try and help build out some bits and bobs :)
[[Mon,08:47] <Dragon> Oh i wonder if some jank could be done with propagation nodes... have an address that is configured to always go to a prop node, the prop node then splits off messages to the multiple other devices when they do a request. Replying back tho... I guess if they send replies thru said propagation node it can check what was sent back and distribute it to the proper real addresses.... hmmmmmmm
[[Mon,08:48] <Dragon> and from the intended recipient the og senders sent to
[[Mon,09:12] <Dragon> Ok to prevent from filling the chat too much more with this idea, i scratched up a note here:
[[Mon,09:12] <Dragon> dd2165af68e5c93d27b023cdb0d35a91:/page/multi-message-idea.mu
[[Mon,12:26] <Tabac> Would you help, how to open and read this note from a nomadnetwork client ?
[[Mon,13:30] <swissguest> hello
[[Mon,13:53] <Guest> Tabac: shift+mouse to select and copy, then ctrl+u to open nomadnet url bar
[[Mon,13:58] <zeno> @CC1711 @Dragon, There may still be a need for "log in" type services, the opportunity now is to imagine a system that doesn't. For IRC, imagine if your client listened for IRC-peer announces. On discovery your client introduces itself and queries for public rooms. If the new peer has a room in common to your list, you add that irc-peer to your distro list for that room. Your IRC-client has an LXMF identity, no need to login.
[[Mon,18:42] <Dragon> "Despite there being a want and need for managing things from multiple devices, what if we imagine that, nuh-uh you dont really."
[[Mon,18:45] <Dragon> Like, I get where you're coming from, but I get enough of that kind of thinking when upper management decides to remove a feature our clients need just because upper management gets frustrated with it, instead of the actual users needs :P
[[Mon,18:46] <Dragon> On an unrelated note, wheee figuring out how to mod stuff to run in subfolders (why are so many devs allergic to letting things run in nonstandard directories, i want my filesystem somewhat organized ;-;)
[[Mon,18:47] <Dragon> why i gotta edit 20 hardcoded paths to make something run in a different folder ;-;
[[Mon,19:11] <c.peterson> Test Test? This message was transported by a standalone uRnode. It woooorks!
[[Mon,19:21] <laptop> good
[[Mon,19:35] <Dragon> That's awesome!
[[Mon,20:30] <goose> hows it going
[[Mon,20:48] <Guest> I LOVE ICE!
[[Mon,20:48] <Guest> DEPORT THEM ALL!
[[Mon,20:48] <Guest> HAHA
[[Mon,21:10] <pierre> c.peterson: Nice! Look ma, no Python
[[Mon,21:12] <radiirr> uh, oh, that was a tough one! i spent 2 days in a row, and almost 5 days about brainstorming. as i mentioned, 1.1.3 is looks very,very stable, and iam very happy to see its behaviors. past ~3 days looks stable in this logic... the serial interfaces behavior produced the expectations, and the application* did the best to keep it follow! but on the other hand, L3 failed at, on the non direct socket handler/handling point... no problem at all, worked as non expected, as invented... 1ce if ill have some free* time, ill make this logic open source, but still need to test newer kernels and sysmtemd... too much new* things around, and iam still following the old fashion... also find a vuln in retibbs, but iam dont wanna share it at the moment publicly... i spend a week with colleagues about place some rnodes around some strategic places, where we can reach 2millions of people directly, but noone wanna support me xD i figured out some marketing bullshit, this is a measurement iot network miracle thing, but still, no one help... sorry for disabled propagation nodes, but it took lot of effor around key generation... old interfaces names, still circulating, which is very annoying... 73!
[[Mon,21:12] <pierre> Anybody know what The FIST is?
[[Mon,21:14] <pierre> Just the same as this chat?
[[Mon,21:26] <laptop> @pierre I have no idea.
[[Tue,00:02] <Dragon> I saw it pop up the other day, it looks like this chat code, but I don't have access
[[Tue,00:03] <Dragon> Perhaps the creator figured out putting an authorized user list in it for a little private community? hard to say without any notes on the page
[[Tue,02:54] <Dragon> any of you nerds into 3d printing? got any fun print projects? Trying to figure out something to make but i need ideas...
[[Tue,03:12] <Mr_Fister> Sounds like a place I should be welcomed.
[[Tue,06:04] <Scanman> Dragon you could print an aztec death whistle
[[Tue,06:06] <Dragon> @Scanman ooooooooo there's an idea
[[Tue,07:37] <OffGridRN> @Dragon I print cases and stuff for LoRa, havent really tried creating any 3D models though.
[[Tue,08:01] <transfer> rns-live-streaming 0.3.0 is out now! you can keep the client open and listen to announcements on the network
[[Tue,08:01] <transfer> https://github.com/tyxlb/rns-live-streaming
[[Tue,08:23] <OffGridRN> @transfer This looks very cool!
[[Tue,12:05] <brb> Testing...
[[Tue,12:05] <brb> Testing...
[[Tue,12:33] <brb> Testing...
[[Tue,13:54] <Testing> you rang?
[[Tue,16:00] <Dragon> :P
[[Tue,16:02] <Dragon> @OffGridRN: I've been having a lot of fun making all sorts of things. The honeycomb storage wall project has been super good, a good amount of stackable storage for parts, a half-width server rack for my home network to live in, custom light switch covers so i quit bumping off the switches for things i need to keep on lmao, cat toys :)
[[Tue,16:02] <Dragon> Oh, VR gear repair parts!
[[Tue,16:52] <ZachofSpfld> I may be buying a house soon. Any advise for a first time home buyer?
[[Tue,17:41] <OffGridRN> @Dragon Yeah, I made VR head straps, stuff for the home. I added 3D print files on my site, I've downloaded so many, probably 2000 i think!
[[Tue,17:42] <ICEICEBABY> HEYYO!
[[Tue,20:32] <Scanman> @ZachofSpfld I'm no expert but some basic tips are: Inspect the house in person if you think it's the one, if it passes the in person inspection then have a professional go over it again. You want to know what you're getting when you throw down that kind of money.
[[Tue,20:39] <Dragon> if they get nervous when you start talking about house inspections, or how they have had someone already do an inspection, GET SOMEONE TO DO A HOUSE INSPECTION
[[Tue,20:41] <Dragon> wow got hit by the spam detector lmao
[[Tue,20:42] <Dragon> depending on the area, you might be able to get written into the terms of s a l e that they have to fix the issues before they get the moolah
[[Tue,20:43] <Dragon> jeez this spam filter is annoying when trying to give advise about obtaining a house lmao
[[Tue,20:44] <Dragon> you might be able to negotiate a dis.count based on the findings under the justification of having to fix them yourself
[[Tue,22:03] <Dragon> aw yiss, new configs uploaded to the printer, and it happily prints still
[[Tue,22:42] <BM666> Greeting from Germany. Stay safe everybody.
[[Tue,23:37] <Scanman> Hi Germany, I'm dad.
[[Wed,00:25] <burg> mrrrrp
[[Wed,00:30] <burg> buh
[[Wed,02:24] <Guest> so anyone want to give a percent of what they think the probability of WW3 is in the next year?
[[Wed,02:31] <hydrocarbon> I would say 67%
[[Wed,02:34] <Guest> *deadpan* heh...gottem.
[[Wed,03:11] <transfer> already, since the start of the Russia-Ukraine war, 2022
[[Wed,03:33] <laptop> Alright, found a flaw in rWeb, more like a dependency that potentially needs to be addressed. rWeb requires an https <string> source from socket.io (inside rWeb_client.py) to function, and that won't allow rWeb to work without internet (RNodes are people too). Someone more knowledgeable than me correct me if I'm wrong.
[[Wed,03:36] <laptop> Maybe there's a workaround.
[[Wed,03:40] <laptop> But maybe it's a non issue for most and it's a waste of time to research it meh, nvm
[[Wed,09:25] <CBODesktop> I think RNode is part of what people find really interesting about the project, so I'd hope it was taken into account for most features. I'll be starting a local RNode mesh soon where I live.
[[Wed,09:41] <CBODesktop> I wonder why the character limit has to be so small, is it a protocol thing or an implementation thing for this chat?
[[Wed,11:17] <Guest> Good Morning from Germany - this is a test - and it's my first Bytes intentionally sent over reticulum.
[[Wed,11:54] <Bergtroll> moinmoin
[[Wed,12:41] <CBODesktop> Funny story, back then Northern Schleswig was German (1864 to 1920), the Danish population would never say 'moin/møjn' as it was German, and they fought hard to stay Danish. But after 1920, the new generations adopted it as a local greeting so it's now seen as distinctly 'sønderjysk' - south-jutish.
[[Wed,13:45] <ZachofSpfld> @Scanman @Dragon my bank forces me to get an inspection anyways, for the best. i didn't see any issues when i went to tour it, so hopefully there are no surprises.
[[Wed,13:47] <zeno> @CBODesktop I'd be careful to generalize what _people_ find interesting about RNS. RNODE is more or less interesting depending on the geometry of your community. A lonely rnode is not very interesting at all
[[Wed,13:49] <ZachofSpfld> one thing i did notice are the attic knee doors for the half-story upstairs are uninsulated and not sealed. i can see that leaking a lot of my heat away.
[[Wed,13:49] <zeno> my community has an emense meshtastic network spanning an impressive bit of the city, but it's about as interesting as listening to birds chirping "ping" and "pong" 12 hours a day.
[[Wed,13:55] <neon> Why do you think it is? the "attention economy"? Nothing to say?
[[Wed,15:22] <CBODesktop> @zeno When I talk to "people" about all this they connect with the idea of using LoRa radios more than anything else. I agree that my local meshtastic network is not fun at all, though it covers a lot of ground. Would be more interesting to see them convert the radios to RNodes.
[[Wed,17:58] <Scanman> @ZachofSpfld The door thing is probably an easy fix. The nice thing about owning a place is you're free to make any necessary modifications after closing.
[[Wed,18:06] <Scanman> @CBODesktop Please excuse me as I am new to these concepts. What exactly are the limits of an Rnode? Like if everybody in your area converted their radios to Rnodes, would that mean they can all surf this network and use IRC etc. without wifi?
[[Wed,18:10] <CBODesktop> @Scanman I've yet to experiment with RNode myself, waiting for some hardware, but given a network of LoRa radios within range of each other running RNode - yes, you could use this network without wifi.
[[Wed,18:13] <LoFi> @zeno I agree, 'ping pong' all day. Recently I mentioned that I set up an RNode on the Meshtastic community in my area, their tone completely changed, suddenly they 'noticed' that my month old Meshtastic router didn't have GPS, they demanded that enabled my location, if not, I had to take it down. Small group of self appointed leader asswipes telling others what to do.
[[Wed,18:13] <Beef> hey, anyone else using meshnet, are you having problems with it just crashing ocassionally? I tried setting up the local propagation node, but it just kept crashing till I turned it off. It still kinda crashes sometimes.
[[Wed,19:32] <Guest> hello world
[[Wed,19:35] <Scanman> @LoFi Don't get discouraged by rude individuals, and yeah, the meshtastic community does kinda have boomer vibes. Once I have grown-up money I'll have a lot of fun setting up solar powered Rnodes wherever I can find a place to put one. Also I should mention that we have to try and keep good relations between different mesh communities, we need to stick together if we want to bring privacy and free speech to the masses.
[[Wed,20:21] <LoFi> @Scanman You're right, I should calm myself. Maybe I shouldn't tell them I'm trying RNS over Meshtastic :D But just imagine if more people started using Reticulum, especially RNodes.
[[Wed,21:06] <Scanman> @LoFi Yeah, reticulum is the future of communication I think. This could be the beginning of the new internet. A guy on topics said that we should be shilling this stuff at universities, I totally agree with him.
[[Thu,01:42] <laptop> Anybody still running anonymous offline LAN's? PirateBox, shareboxx, etc.
[[Thu,03:34] <Jimbo> Does anyone know of any good bots to use with reticulum? What are their addresses?
[[Thu,05:59] <Guest> Hello!
[[Thu,06:52] <OffGridRN> @laptop Never used Piratebox but looks interesting. I'm trying to set up an offline home storage server, that will include Reticulum for comms. The other day I tried Sideband over WiFi with no access to the internet, amazing that you can make voice calls.
[[Thu,07:47] <laptop> @OffGridRN You can do the same with piratebox, you just download 'Intercom for Android' and it just works over the LAN.
[[Thu,07:52] <laptop> @Beef meshnet?
[[Thu,07:53] <laptop> @OffGridRN PirateBox has 2 raspberry pi img files btw, if you have a raspi laying around it's easy to test that way.
[[Thu,07:56] <laptop> ideally a pi with onboard wifi
[[Thu,10:15] <OffGridRN> @laptop That sounds good, I might give it a try thx!
[[Thu,10:21] <transfer> The latest version can work with MediaMTX to convert RTMP to HLS and stream it live.
[[Thu,10:21] <transfer> https://github.com/tyxlb/rns-live-streaming
[[Thu,13:49] <zeno> rnode is simply more infrastructure. you still need something to do with it. I appreciate this node we chat on, but it could vanish at any time. Rnode also needs a computer (unless micro reticulum is ready) rnode is only a "modem" you need something to run the service
[[Thu,13:58] <zeno> as for killer services, on top of a robust community chat, I think reticulum would benefit from an ipfs like static file system. IPFS might be a little too bloated for RNS. RNS file sync might do some of this, but it sounds more like syncthing than ipfs, the useful bit would be that static files would have a destination, all peers "pinning" the file would be potential suppliers of the file
[[Thu,14:23] <transfer> Offline assumption. rns uses the destination; this is only the bottom layer of the network.
[[Thu,14:26] <transfer> Unstoppable applications require a second layer: You can perform the same operations using nodes of the same type.
[[Thu,14:30] <transfer> Global consistency in blockchain is the most expensive second-layer technology.
[[Thu,14:32] <transfer> But how do we retrieve content from a decentralized network? How much of a burden does a DHT place on an RNS? Are there other methods for using an RNS as a hop count network?
[[Thu,16:10] <Guest> Hello all, I am a solar installer in the eastern US and am a hobyist with mesh networks. Does anyone have a good guide to RNODE builds? I'd like to start getting the local network built
[[Thu,17:32] <neon> I don't think DHT is a good fit for RNS applications. DHT and RNS are both routing protocols.
[[Thu,18:35] <ahb> @Guest You might want to look into microreticulum_firmware.
[[Thu,19:35] <Cotteux> a proxy that enable link like this http://c6923743983924061686da9a2061dcb4
in the browser. https://github.com/cotteux/RetiHtmlProxy
[[Thu,23:03] <pierre> hello i'm pierre
[[Thu,23:03] <pierre> i'm pierre too
[[Thu,23:03] <pierre> pierre to pierre communication
[[Fri,02:47] <laptop> @Cotteux didn't even know rwebserver was a thing, thx
[[Fri,03:53] <laptop> rwebserver seems to have a problem on both my machines, it doesn't import RNS, which is weird, probably something I'm doing, a virtualization issue or sumn?
[[Fri,04:12] <laptop> ModuleNotFound error
[[Fri,05:13] <Guest> @pierre lmao
[[Fri,14:25] <Cotteux> laptop, weird , i try it on 3 machine without troubles. What is your version of python and RNS ?
[[Fri,14:27] <Cotteux> @laptop, have you try the RetiHtmlProxy ? If it work try this link http://74bc0ab32aa78578d62fb005f4e6ebdb
[[Fri,15:30] <Guest> Fuck jews!
[[Fri,15:42] <ZachofSpfld> @Guest fuck you
[[Fri,16:39] <Dragon> Yo, is there a image to micron converter out there that anyone is aware of?
[[Fri,17:05] <Guest_49ae> @Guest Blaming the jews for what their government does is like saying all Americans are pos cause of what their gov does. Its dumb logic.
[[Fri,17:08] <rBrowser_kManD> @Dragon https://github.com/tyxlb/rns-image-hosting this might be what youre looking for. 8473e996db9a919f63c27c0c6ff7c7a4:/page/index.mu heres the reticulum site associated.
[[Fri,18:44] <Guest> @rbrowser_kmand Close but not exactly, I've seen some folks make some cool art using micron formatting, and given the complexity of some of them, a conversion tool would likely have been used, eg the header art over on 71f67e5defd2743e2507c148945308e8:/page/index.mu
[[Fri,18:45] <Dragon> oh the ident expired lol
[[Fri,18:45] <Dragon> but yeah! Managed to get ahold of isoWorld and got some code! and got asked to post it in the forums
[[Fri,18:46] <laptop> @Cotteus I've tried everything, even editing the file with a "try:" import RNS, nothing, it will not detect RNS, even added the --port 8080, nothing. I have no idea why.
[[Fri,18:46] <laptop> @Cotteux sorry
[[Fri,18:55] <laptop> @Cotteux but somehow Frank's rWeb did work, maybe try flask, and flask-socketiochecking out his layout, but he's using
[[Fri,18:56] <laptop> sorry my entire sentence structure was chopped, I meant to say to try checking out Frank's layout, although he's using flask, flask-socketio
[[Fri,18:58] <laptop> Or perhaps the issue is entirely on my end and I'd have to remove and download RNS again
[[Fri,19:11] <laptop> I downloaded rns again, it still doesn't work.
[[Fri,19:14] <Dragon> For those curious, here's isoWorld's img to micron code:
[[Fri,19:14] <Dragon> dd2165af68e5c93d27b023cdb0d35a91:/file/code/img-to-micron.py
[[Fri,19:16] <Dragon> and now i know how to host files wheeee (it was pretty easy but i hadn't actually DONE it yet lol)
[[Fri,19:25] <Guest> @Guest_49ae it is a correct logic when you take into account that the democratic system works entirely based on the will of the population, and if we remove the blame from the core movers, it no longer is what it claims to be, therefor you can only take the blame and solve the problem or admit that the entire system is a lie and a failure. the iranian ruling system is better than the demoncracy system tbh it is essentially the rule of the philosophers but they're clerks instead.
[[Fri,19:46] <laptop> @Dragon try dumping the file within /file/ itself, or adding the "f" after "]"
[[Fri,19:46] <laptop> It doesn't work on my end, maybe you just have to reload nomadnet.
[[Fri,19:47] <laptop> nevermind, it works now
[[Fri,20:20] <Guest> hello world!
[[Fri,20:34] <laptop> @Cotteux 0b4e4f22ef38010e20955ea158c141f5 my lxmf, maybe you can explain your setup and I can try replicating it
[[Fri,20:34] <laptop> I'm off for now, later
[[Fri,20:54] <nu11_byt3r> Hey all, has anyone had success with the rns streaming yet. Radio or music?
[[Sat,01:26] <Guest> ah great the ui in this is broken in meshchatx at the moment :(
[[Sat,01:27] <Guest> luckily i have my nomadnet for a backup
[[Sat,01:29] <Guest> speaking of, does anyone know if it's possible to do the "Identify"/"Fingerprint" thing with the TUI nomadnet client?
[[Sat,01:30] <Guest> Getting a "Failed to load page" Then the raw source code in the page shown in meshchatx
[[Sat,01:31] <Guest> also kinda gonna blather a bit, hoping i can shove whatever line of text that's causing things to break down out of the scrollback lol
[[Sat,01:40] <Cotteux> Il will create a tuto on the github this week. Only think you need to install is pip install rns. After that, change in the browser (i use LibreWolf) network section, proxy: http proxy with 127.0.0.1 port 8080. give it some minutes and enter the http address and it work like this one http://74bc0ab32aa78578d62fb005f4e6ebdb. I will send you the tuto @laptop
[[Sat,01:42] <laptop> I realize what the issue is no, it's probably nothing to do with you, it's my python install bricking it, see I downloaded 3.14 specifically for this task, and python was still 3.10 on my machine, and updating it has been...is still a journey to say the least.
[[Sat,05:18] <guest87> what's up folks
[[Sat,05:19] <guest87> marx was right
[[Sat,14:53] <burger> heyo!
[[Sat,14:54] <System> burger is away.
[[Sat,14:54] <burger> /lastseen
[[Sun,00:25] <Guest> huzzah, this chat works in meshchatx again :)
[[Sun,01:11] <Guest> Cool
[[Sun,02:01] <V0ltage> im so hungry i could eat a burger
[[Sun,09:05] <gatedive> would love a good burger right now
[[Sun,15:39] <Cotteux> Navigate html on Reticulum ,here to see what RetiHtmlProxy do and how to install it https://youtu.be/MctX5SwKRMQ
[[Sun,17:35] <amosagregory> hello
[[Sun,17:49] <OffGridRN> @Cotteux This looks intersting, so does this allow the creation of html sites over reticulum?
[[Sun,18:11] <alp-dock-uwood> hello
[[Sun,18:16] <laptop> @OffGridRN there are already html sites on rns, try rWeb if you don't have python3.12 or higher, because rserver requires higher than 3.12.
[[Sun,18:18] <laptop> hello @alp
[[Sun,18:33] <laptop> @OffGridRN the way to find them is to search for 'HTML' in the lxmf announces, usually it'll have a name associated with the site, mine is 'laptop-gallery', you copy that lxmf address, and paste it like so 'lxmf://23ds2h34h23jg4g..../index.html' and it just works, it may take several seconds to load depending on the page, at the moment sadly, there are only 2 pages being hosted. There is a trick to getting images to load however, ask me and I'll explain if you're interested.
[[Sun,18:46] <Cotteux> @laptop you can use rserver, work on python 3.12 and have a good speed https://github.com/cotteux/rwebserver. my demo pages are on my developement server, nothing fancy.
[[Sun,18:56] <laptop> @Cotteux I tried everything yesterday and nothing worked, updated python3, pip kept bricking my install, added aliases to .bash_aliases, nothing worked. It still wouldn't import RNS for me.
[[Sun,19:10] <OffGridRN> @laptop Thanks. I'll have a look at this.
[[Sun,20:35] <Guest> Best way to browse Nomad sites on a phone?
[[Sun,20:41] <laptop> @Guest rBrowser
[[Sun,23:31] <CyberCat320> Hello!
[[Mon,00:10] <KingOfKings> :3
[[Mon,00:10] <CyberCat320> Ayyyyy
[[Mon,00:10] <KingOfKings> Hai
[[Mon,00:22] <KingOfKings> Amazing
[[Mon,02:42] <Guest> xddd
[[Mon,04:41] <Skullvalanche> well well well
[[Mon,04:46] <Skullvalanche> wow, the gui for this chat in the pure terminal nomadnet client is really hard to use
[[Mon,04:46] <Skullvalanche> seems to work well from MeshChat though.
[[Mon,04:54] <laptop> My mistake, I meant two nodes/sites being hosted.
[[Mon,07:57] <RDIzmb> this looks promising!
[[Mon,11:00] <Guest> Hello everyone! Testing reticulum over lora!
[[Mon,16:14] <Guest> Well, it's monday now!
[[Mon,16:15] <Dragon> ope forgot to ident
[[Mon,16:15] <Dragon> Sure is a monday, hah
[[Mon,22:38] <KingOfKings> true
[[Mon,23:29] <CyberCat320> How's everyone doin' today?
[[Tue,01:14] <Guest> hiiiii
[[Tue,01:14] <Guest> im a day in the future
[[Tue,01:14] <Guest> what is everyones least favourite number
[[Tue,03:15] <Guest> i am going to commit great crime
[[Tue,03:15] <Guest> i am going to bust nut
[[Tue,03:15] <Guest> in water tower
[[Tue,03:51] <zeno> I wonder how much of the water we drink was the *nut* of something that came before
[[Tue,05:12] <WA7DAS> hello all
[[Tue,05:40] <Guest67> sup
[[Tue,05:40] <Dragon> those sure are some thoughts :)
[[Tue,05:42] <Dragon> Fixed up a kettle i snagged from a liquidation store. power cable was janked up but luckily the guts used the same standardized part as my broken kettle, swap the bits and huzzah, good as new.
[[Tue,05:42] <67> welcome to the nomadnet I guess. Is this it? What else is there to see and find?
[[Tue,05:52] <WA7DAS> hello all
[[Tue,05:52] <System> WA7DAS has quit The Chat Room!
[[Tue,14:25] <Guest> Hi y'all!
[[Tue,14:51] <total> Greetings!
[[Tue,16:10] <Dragon> @67 various bits and bobs, lots of nerdery, some cool tools, some document libraries. What you can find will also be a tad limited by your interface connections, so keep an eye out for pages with options shown for linking up to :)
[[Tue,16:12] <Dragon> Forums, chats, art, development, document preservation, backup info systems, etc :)
[[Tue,20:02] <rsgrinko> pika pika) hi from Russia)
[[Wed,00:25] <nu11_byt3r> If anyone has a way to browse html over reticulum let me know if this is accessible. 68c78066aaf4be3be9c52cbd78226584/index.html
[[Wed,00:25] <nu11_byt3r> Might not be but just curious.
[[Wed,01:07] <laptop> Are you useing rWeb?
[[Wed,01:08] <laptop> using*
[[Wed,01:11] <laptop> @nu11_byt3r
[[Wed,01:24] <laptop> To run html sites you need rWeb (python3.7+) or rserver (python3.12+)
[[Wed,01:54] <nu11_byt3r> @laptop I am running rserver I am just not sure its announcing correctly outside my local mesh.
[[Wed,01:57] <laptop> I can't run it on my machine, gotta research how to properly sync things with a new python install and can't find good resources on the subject, so far I can only run rWeb due to python complications.
[[Wed,01:59] <nu11_byt3r> Do you have a site, I also wrote a chromium plugin so I can browse with Chromium and would like to test it outside my mesh.
[[Wed,02:04] <laptop> On rWeb, yes. lxmf://2f6ce7d561c079b950a15c3825388a53/index.html
[[Wed,02:07] <nu11_byt3r> Sweet let me see if it works.
[[Wed,02:15] <nu11_byt3r> I tried a couple of times it sees the announcement 12 hops away but can't establish the link.
[[Wed,02:16] <laptop> Let me try restarting.
[[Wed,02:18] <laptop> It should work now, because I'm able to browse the other existing node on rWeb.
[[Wed,02:19] <nu11_byt3r> Yeah might be something on my end.
[[Wed,02:19] <laptop> You have to start up both the server and client for it to work.
[[Wed,02:26] <laptop> then you open your browser and go to http://127.0.0.1:5080 and it should display 'LXMF Browser'
[[Wed,02:30] <nu11_byt3r> Yeah I am using something different for the browsing and I also tried meshcurl. It finds the path but doesn't establish the link.
[[Wed,02:32] <laptop> won't work, rWeb is using flask and flask-socketio so it needs to run on those specifically.
[[Wed,02:32] <laptop> check out the dependencies
[[Wed,02:42] <nu11_byt3r> Yeah just now seeing what you are talking about I haven't messed with rWeb just rserver.
[[Wed,02:44] <Search> Meshcurl? Is there a repo for that?
[[Wed,02:47] <nu11_byt3r> @Search its part of rwebserver https://github.com/cotteux/rwebserver
[[Wed,02:49] <Search> ok found it here...https://github.com/cotteux/rwebserver
[[Wed,02:50] <Search> thanks nu11_byt3r
[[Wed,02:52] <laptop> original developer https://github.com/guyroyse/rserver
[[Wed,02:55] <nu11_byt3r> @Search you're welcome.
[[Wed,03:41] <laptop> Gonna upgrade linux soon on another machine and test rserver, maybe tomorrow I get it going.
[[Wed,04:26] <DGTech> Hey Guys! This is my first message on Reticulum!
[[Wed,06:15] <laptop> welcome
[[Wed,06:37] <laptop> So after some serious vm testing, I got rserver and retiproxy working, it's (almost) go time.
[[Wed,12:16] <kylie> yay, i found it. :3
[[Wed,13:48] <Cotteux> @laptop, happy for you. what is your html page ?
[[Wed,13:49] <Cotteux> for the moment, the only difference between rserver and rwebserver. Rwebserver compress the sending data. More speed especially on Lora.
[[Wed,14:13] <nu11_byt3r> @laptop what is the repo for rWeb?
[[Wed,15:04] <kekster> Hi, this looks cool. Like in the good old days.
[[Wed,18:33] <Cotteux> @null_byt3r for Rweb https://github.com/fr33n0w/rWeb
[[Wed,19:15] <laptop> @Cotteux The pages will be up soon, just fixing a few things on them. And yeah html over LoRa at high speeds was my original dream (to host a PirateBox over LoRa) so this is a dream come true really, also, to speed up content over LoRa I'm doing a bit more tweaking; gotta minimize, posterize, and dither images multiple times to reduce excess data, then you make the html files one-liners with no unnecessary gaps, and it should load a lot faster. That's what I'd do on piratebox and it loaded pretty quick.
[[Wed,19:21] <Guest> Hello!!!!!
[[Wed,19:56] <laptop> hello
[[Wed,20:32] <667> hello world
[[Wed,20:44] <nu11_byt3r> @Cotteux thank you.
[[Wed,21:09] <Cotteux> @laptop , if you using rserver, they slow on lora, use rwebserver or change the line 38
resource = RNS.Resource(response_data, packet.link,auto_compress=True) in the file link.py
[[Wed,21:30] <laptop> Using rwebserver now
[[Wed,21:37] <nu11_byt3r> @laptop is the your site up right now?
[[Wed,21:47] <laptop> For whatever reason now it doesn't wanna load, changed network settings and everything, nothing. Gotta keep testing.
[[Wed,21:54] <nu11_byt3r> Ok I will be patient was wondering why I was getting these message.
[[Wed,22:04] <laptop> http://8d3105514fcd6793e48155f2f22aca14/
[[Wed,22:04] <laptop> this should work, let me know if it doesn't
[[Wed,22:06] <laptop> it works on my end anyway, a bit slow, but works great
[[Wed,22:12] <Cotteux> @null_byt3r , have you try this link http://c6923743983924061686da9a2061dcb4
is a imageless wikipedia
[[Wed,22:13] <laptop> Your kiwix page is a lot faster than mine that's for sure.
[[Wed,22:14] <laptop> @Cotteux
[[Wed,22:16] <laptop> @Cotteux the page starting with d91 however doesn't load, the link the README file.
[[Wed,22:18] <laptop> link in the README*
[[Wed,22:24] <nu11_byt3r> No but I will now.
[[Wed,22:28] <Cotteux> @laptop i try your html site, work good, good speed with internet. I will test it with lora.
[[Wed,22:33] <laptop> Let me know how it goes.
[[Wed,22:58] <Cotteux> at lora 10.96 kps, index take 7 sec, gallery 10 sec for seeing the page but no image appears because after 3 min ,the proxy make a timeout.
[[Wed,22:59] <laptop> ah, alright, I'll try minimizing images again
[[Wed,23:08] <laptop> Although you can hardly make out some thumbnails now, it should definitely load faster.
[[Wed,23:15] <Cotteux> link take 10 sec, do a retest with images, 1 images a 35 sec second at 50sec,third 1min 22s, forth 1min 58sec, fith : 2min 27, 2 min 46 and last a 3 minutes. Image killing the lora bandwith
[[Wed,23:15] <laptop> I'm off for a while, gotta walk a bit. Thanks for your contribution Cotteux, I will test LoRa myself later, take care.
[[Wed,23:17] <laptop> hmm, I can try resizing via css, but not much else, you can only make a thumbnail so tiny before it might as well be a link heh.
[[Wed,23:29] <laptop> I didn't expect it to go very fast, this is a good project for something like a raspberry pi with onboard wifi.
[[Wed,23:32] <Cotteux> you need to optimize a lot html, is not really optimize for low speed connection.
[[Wed,23:48] <laptop> 70.8 KiB total in image data, the gallery itself 1.3 KiB, it's pretty small. Still gotta fix a few things, probably the audio page css, we'll see.
[[Thu,03:04] <laptop> update: brought gallery page image download time to 2:08-2:09 minutes, changed the txpower to 4, SF to 6 and CR to 5, and it went slightly faster. This is of course a very local test, radios are almost right next to one another, in your case it may be different.
[[Thu,03:05] <laptop> turns out the audio page was the fastest so far
[[Thu,04:08] <laptop> nvm correction, somehow wifi turned on made me think it was faster.
[[Thu,13:34] <Cotteux> My distance was around 10 meters, main antenna at top second floor. and my local one in the basement. dropping sf under 7, you lost a lot of distance. look this website for configuration and speed of rnode https://unsigned.io/understanding-lora-parameters/
[[Thu,17:00] <ChrisAaron> I love the early internet vibes
[[Thu,18:45] <SVA100NOV> hi everyone from russia
[[Thu,18:56] <vzg> hi from spb
[[Thu,20:12] <jrrz> moin
[[Thu,21:11] <Guest> Hi from msk
[[Thu,22:03] <Guest> ky
[[Thu,22:03] <Guest_msK> привет пацаки
[[Thu,23:02] <FlyingBuzz> Morning everyone from Saratov, Russia! ^_-
[[Thu,23:04] <nu11_byt3r> Hi @vzg, @Guest and @FlyingBuzz
[[Thu,23:08] <FlyingBuzz> Is there anything other than messaging and nomad network over Reticulum that MeshChat couldn't do?
[[Thu,23:12] <Guest> Or is a faily complete all-in-one app? Sry, first ten minutes using Retocilum =D
[[Thu,23:41] <FlyingBuzz> Okay then! See ya
[[Thu,23:46] <Cotteux> big fan of MeshChatX https://git.quad4.io/RNS-Things/MeshChatX
More tools and options than meshchat
[[Thu,23:49] <Cotteux> Here for more applications and utilities https://github.com/markqvist/Reticulum/wiki/Awesome-Reticulum
[[Thu,23:57] <nu11_byt3r> As @Cotteux mention there are those but there are a lot of people that have also done their own projects as well. Its not always easy to find everything.
[[Fri,00:08] <laptop> @Cotteux man I'm just happy we were finally able to make it happen, I saw some document a while back about a team in India who developed a script for http over LoRa, and they did with a packet slicing method, and got good results. It's an option, even though it eats up a lot of the bandwidth, I'm sure we can find ways to work around it.
[[Fri,00:09] <laptop> Even the visual elements, we can find ways to reduce the lag, that's what I'm gonna focus my tests on, image transmission efficiency.
[[Fri,00:11] <kylie> hey guys, i noticed that MeshChatX has an identify option that allows nodes to provide persistence. is that not an option on NomadNet?
[[Fri,00:12] <laptop> Not at the moment, not to my knowledge.
[[Fri,00:12] <kylie> hey guys, i noticed that MeshChatX has an identify option that allows nodes to provide persistence. is that not an option on NomadNet?
[[Fri,00:13] <kylie> hey guys, i noticed that MeshChatX has an identify option that allows nodes to provide persistence. is that not an option on NomadNet?
[[Fri,00:15] <kylie> ah okay, that's what i figured.
[[Fri,00:15] <laptop> You can save the nodes, that's about it.
[[Fri,00:18] <laptop> I don't mind it personally, I remember zeronet doing that and I wasn't a fan. Essentialy other users online would cache the sites that were up and then it would be rebroadcast thanks to those participating in the network.
[[Fri,00:19] <laptop> I mean just keeping them alive for yourself is fine, but rebroadcasting someone else's content I may not even enjoy? I dunno.
[[Fri,01:32] <Guesto> has anyone managed to browse nomadnet on their phones? I tried everything but always theres something unfixable that comes my way lol
[[Fri,01:42] <laptop> @Guesto it crashes for me on my phone, it'll load fine, but as soon as I type something into the room it crashes. So the way to go is rBrowser, it just works. You set up your .reticulum config with a few TCP connections, https://github.com/fr33n0w/rBrowser
[[Fri,01:43] <laptop> then follow the steps.
[[Fri,02:11] <Guesto> that one hates me because it cannot go past installing the dependencies at this point I'm thinking maybe my termux build it faulty, but I don't know if it would work if I make a debian chroot inside of it. I think I'll try that this evening.
[[Fri,03:21] <GuestO> I"M IN GUYS Somehow I retried again and now It work when you install the requierements you need to setup an ANDROID_API_LEVEL to 24
[[Fri,03:24] <laptop> sweet.
[[Fri,08:21] <FlyingBuzz> @Cotteux @nu11_byt3r wow ty, sounds good
[[Fri,13:01] <Guest> @laptop , html is build for low speed. with lora even with a 10.94 bps, you not having 9600bps after removing rns over head. the best speed i have with chance was 1 kilobyte /secondes. most of the time around 0.8 KB/sec.
[[Fri,13:01] <Cotteux> oups forgot to put my nickname
[[Fri,13:02] <Cotteux> error i write html is build for low speed, Wrong, is not
[[Fri,13:04] <Cotteux> even a the best speed on lora, an 10KB image,minimum 10 seconds.
[[Fri,14:40] <SVA100NOV> Привет пацандополы фром новосибирск
[[Fri,17:23] <laptop> @Cotteux I got the gallery page (7 tiny images) down to 1:02 - 1:35 or so, still a lot, but it's an improvement from 2+ min. Even the reti manual you have up takes a while to load the main image, so it's just part of the package with testing I guess. I notice too that files over LoRa get stuck in a transmission loop even after a page refresh, that can be an improvement to reduce bandwidth, like 'listen for F5 > do transmission stop', also it could benefit from packet slicing. But in all seriousness, I think it also comes down to hardware limitation, and we have wifi, so why not use it while we have it.
[[Fri,17:34] <SCCOMPUTAÇÃO> Follow my YouTube channel with old movies that I colorized using artificial intelligence.
[[Fri,17:35] <SCCOMPUTAÇÃO> https://youtube.com/@colorindofilmes?feature=shared
[[Fri,19:23] <muscadomestica> hi! this is cool
[[Fri,21:04] <Guesto> @laptop wouldn't using a better image compression help to reduce size for it to transmit? but also images have never been good to transmit over radio
[[Fri,22:23] <laptop> I went from png to jpg, that helped, but of course it's lossy. Now I can actually download regular images again, but some take forever and even crash the link, so I have to restart both server and proxy or LoRa kinda stays there transmitting without responding.
[[Sat,00:21] <Guest> Omg its chat!)
[[Sat,00:22] <Guest> Привет МСК
[[Sat,01:34] <Guesto> Yeah, thats not gonna get better, you're better off converting images to ascii than transmitting them in their format lol
[[Sat,06:43] <S33ker> Hello people.
[[Sat,07:02] <Guest> On this beautiful Saturday, here’s a reminder that you’re capable of anything. Believe in yourself!
[[Sat,07:25] <S33ker> how sweet.
[[Sat,10:24] <Guest> Thank you for the kind words, Guest. I bought my doctorate licence on EBAY and am about to start my first OP. Wish me luck
[[Sat,13:57] <Guest23> Привет из Краснодара
[[Sat,19:00] <laptop> @Guesto Ahh but you see... it has gotten better. Down to 29 seconds from 1:35 over LoRa.
[[Sat,19:05] <laptop> @Guesto ♫ Yooou don't under-staa-aaand, no 🎶 The full intent of my (LAN), mBabyyy Iiii-Iii wanna beee...your RNode provideeer. ♫
[[Sat,19:05] <laptop> https://midi-hits.com/mp3play/mp3play.php?songid=TF45
[[Sat,19:07] <laptop> Sorry, got carried away, heh. But yeah it works now, sad thing is I doubt audio will ever be possible.
[[Sat,19:09] <laptop> I wanna upload midis but I think you need a special codec or something for that, but maybe you don't and you can just do a workaround somehow.
[[Sat,19:11] <laptop> The way I got images to go faster was simple actually, I noticed every time LoRa had to make an individual call back to retrieve images, so it was better to make a collage of images and simply link them with an html map. And it seems to work, still, 29 seconds is a lot, but over LoRa, it's reasonable, most images we send over LoRa take a long time anyway.
[[Sat,19:13] <laptop> I got two tiny audio samples to work, but the others take forever, so I figured ogg files might work but even the slowest ogg is a lot of data it seems, so midi is probably a good option
[[Sat,19:15] <laptop> I gotta stop making jokes, especially based on songs I like, gees, sorry. Anyway, I'm off for now.
[[Sat,20:00] <laptop> I used this to do it, it may help someone, someday. https://www.image-map.net/
[[Sat,20:20] <laptop> If there's one thing I don't like is misrepresenting God, and jokes are not of God, so I do apologize if you took it personally, it wasn't personal.
[[Sat,21:55] <Guest> @laptop Incidentally, have you looked into using SVG or even animating with it. As it's a textual descriptive format it probably compresses considerably better than plain binary.
[[Sat,21:56] <JC> Bah, why didn't it pick my nick there.
[[Sat,21:58] <laptop> @JC I'm not familiar with SVG, gotta research it.
[[Sat,22:03] <laptop> Oh man yeah SVG would help, you can even draw with html believe it or not. https://www.w3schools.com/graphics/canvas_lines.asp
[[Sat,22:10] <JC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG
[[Sat,22:11] <JC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG_animation
[[Sat,22:31] <laptop> Found out you can embed midi, let's see if it works.
[[Sat,23:32] <Ldrop> Hello world!
[[Sat,23:36] <laptop> hello welcome
[[Sun,00:28] <Guest> hey
[[Sun,00:54] <Guest> hey
[[Sun,06:44] <Alexey> Привет всем!
[[Sun,06:46] <Alexey> Привет! из Красноярска
[[Sun,07:02] <Guest> what's up nerds, this is coming 2 u LIVE via an RNode link :D
[[Sun,07:14] <laptop> Good to hear.
[[Sun,07:59] <klver> the fact you can transfer data over multiple formats is imo by far the coolest thing about reticulum
[[Sun,10:08] <ATribeCalledGuest> back with a cool new nickname 🔥 and i agree @klver; it feels like an obvious and natural solution that took too lomg to arrive at...but now we're here, so we should make it rhe coolest internet it can be
[[Sun,10:59] <Nobody> Does anybody know of a home wifi router that will just basically work?
[[Sun,11:02] <Nobody> I'm super poor and my shit barely works, It's so much ping that I'm always clenching my teeth with rage.
[[Sun,16:11] <galocR8> Привет из Самары
[[Sun,16:15] <Guest> Hi Nobody - I just use my I phone Hotspot - seems to work for me!
[[Sun,17:40] <Guest> shit... this nomadnet thingy is full of commies and Palestina supporters... that is weird, because they are the first ones to ban what they do not like... and here they write about freedom and rights...
[[Sun,17:49] <Guest> I am hosting the German wikipedia on a pi zero 2w for some minutes now thanks to retipedia and I am totally blown away that it is possible to give access to this on such a small device (21223154143e6f8b93a9744d9cd44de0)
[[Sun,18:11] <xxx> Самары... wow!
[[Sun,18:25] <laptop> The beautiful thing about the network is that you can ignore whatever you disagree with, and every user is independent. I don't care for communism personally because I experienced it firsthand growing up, that said, this is mostly a radio and tech community, whenever a political message comes up I tend to ignore it because that's not why I'm here, and probably not the reason most other users are here. They wanna learn about RNodes, mesh networks, etc.
[[Sun,18:32] <KingOfKings> Hello
[[Sun,18:34] <laptop> Hey
[[Sun,21:09] <Guest> 2laptop: yes, correct
[[Mon,00:35] <......> Hello
[[Mon,00:53] <......> After reading on the reticulum project it says that it says that it can support high bandwidth. The nomad network looks pretty cool but is it capable of running websites that are not simple text one.
[[Mon,02:14] <laptop> Yes. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=MctX5SwKRMQ
[[Mon,02:17] <laptop> https://github.com/cotteux/rwebserver https://github.com/cotteux/RetiHtmlProxy
[[Mon,02:36] <......> Ok thanks
[[Mon,04:31] <Guest> hi
[[Mon,08:09] <Guest> hello!
[[Mon,09:10] <Guest> Hello
[[Mon,15:01] <PVX> Пинг из Петербурга!
[[Mon,15:11] <K> Андрей Моторист ты где
[[Mon,15:12] <K> Привет из Египта
[[Mon,21:40] <Guest> Hello!
[[Mon,21:41] <Guest> This is fun!
[[Tue,04:35] <Yaroslavl_Russia> Let’s expand our nodes by posting them here, more sharing means more people available and more opportunities to meet!
[[Tue,05:36] <Guest> Note on the earlier topic of politics of those on reticulum, not all leftists are communists in the way they've been referred to here, reticulum is damn near exactly what you'd get if you asked an anarchist to design a network stack from scratch. I'm here because I'm BOTH an anarchist and I'm curious about radios and stuff. If you're under the impression all leftists are authoritarians, you really need to read/watch/listen to some of the shit that gets buried by both capitalist governments and communist governments.
[[Tue,06:00] <Guest> As it turns out, hierarchical institutions don't like it when you point out that hierarchy only works for the 1% on top. Whether that one percent is politicians, kings, or CEOs.
[[Tue,11:48] <Guest> @Yaroslavl_Russia nope. This is not how this works
[[Tue,14:05] <Guest> Dude didn't even share his, lol
[[Tue,14:07] <curiousbeetle> hello people! whats in your opinion the best solution for long distance rf transmission to quickly build up a mesh in my city?
[[Tue,14:11] <Guest> Жесть верните мне мой 99й
[[Tue,18:09] <JC> Well, by definition of long distance, it effectively rules out Wi-Fi. I'd say it comes back to LoRa.
[[Tue,20:13] <Guest> hi all
[[Tue,22:56] <laptop> @JC Saw a video of a local guy in South Florida using reticulum over wifi halow, and it worked great, and considering how difficult it is to reach others via RNodes in big cities, it's not a bad option really. Or just a raspberry pi with an onboard sma connector and amplifier, serving both html and micron stuff.
[[Tue,23:00] <laptop> It's buying the hardware that can be a pain to some, some people just don't wanna invest so much to join something this complicated really. But there are plenty of tech ppl who would.
[[Wed,00:20] <JC> Well, EHAS has run more or less off-the-shelf regular Wi-FI links in South America for several tens of kilometres (70-90?) with bandwidth of 1 or 2 Mbps but the antennae if not the whole box of hardware is place on masts of over 90 metres tall. So, it's possible, adjusting the TCP parameters.
[[Wed,00:26] <JC> The conversion to the outdated local units for the people in the Colonies is left as a homework for the reader.
[[Wed,00:43] <laptop> CurvingLoRa is worth researching, it has a github, short version: far more throughput, collision resistant. I wonder if the results can be adapted for Rnodes.
[[Wed,01:45] <JC> As out-of-the-hat guess; probably not as it may require custom hardware. *shrug* I guess I'll have to look for the actual whitepaper and read it.
[[Wed,17:33] <Guest> most interesting indeed
[[Wed,19:32] <Guest> I want to try the heltec t114 with the heltec solar kit. load Rnode, test and then build more. get to know neighbors and put on their property. good luck to curiousbeetle
[[Wed,22:15] <Guest> hey! just got my first LoRa communicaiton between my PC and a laptop!
[[Wed,22:24] <DeWildeDame> Whoop! Congrats!
[[Wed,23:32] <sandos> Long range radio - depends on if you mean point-to-point or broadcast. p2p wifi should be good, more broadcast I would say lora based.
[[Thu,02:53] <Pel> Technology is for whoever needs it, whether they were anarchists or bootlickers, zios or palestines, feds or anons, The only thing that matters is We provide the technology for all living people who need it. so yeah, most people nowadays are antizionism and that will reflect here too, @Guest
[[Thu,04:11] <Guest> @Pel love that
[[Thu,16:04] <FKboy> Hello World! Again here after a lot of time...
[[Thu,16:08] <FKrob> oops... here my right nick!
[[Thu,16:28] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Rantanplan: Weather in new york: 4.2C, Mainly clear
[[Thu,17:02] <Rantanplan> Best client for chats?
[[Thu,18:29] <e.g.secretagent> meshchat=best
[[Thu,20:08] <Guest> got nomad net working jsut fine try and use same interfaces with meshchat and no work. ANy advice?
[[Thu,20:21] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in houston: 24.5C, Clear sky
[[Thu,22:11] <System> Shkee has joined The Chat Room!
[[Thu,22:14] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Shkee: Weather in wolgast: 6.3C, Slight rain
[[Thu,22:35] <Guest> I want them to kill milei
[[Fri,06:49] <CarloRDP> Ciao
[[Fri,11:10] <Shkee> moin
[[Fri,12:10] <Lazy> I have to go to work but I don't want to
[[Fri,12:12] <Lazy> Does anyone know if the reticulum-rs project intends to make a no_std version of the crate?
[[Fri,13:00] <UnboundHive> Greetings from Unbound Hive Mesh
[[Fri,18:13] <meow> Testing
[[Fri,19:53] <carlo> ciao
[[Fri,22:33] <Guest> hola
[[Fri,22:33] <5PinesCowboy> hola
[[Fri,22:46] <S33ker> hello, its me...
[[Sat,03:00] <transfer> Ciallo～(∠・ω< )⌒★
[[Sat,03:11] <sun167> hey yall
[[Sat,12:50] <Guest> ciao chat!
[[Sat,17:51] <allometry> Hello!
[[Sat,20:10] <Bee> I've been fighting with setting up a Lilygo Lora32 2.1 as an RNode. It seems like everything is working up until the bluetooth pairing -- BT gets turned on, pairing mode activated, shows up on my available BT devices lists, sends a pin, and when i confirm the pairing it just fails, saying that the key is incorrect. Does anyone have ideas on solving this or is it something to take to the clearnet?
[[Sat,20:16] <Guest> this is happening with multiple different Lora32s, multiple receiving devices. Serial connection works fine. The radios will be ending up in the hands of less techy community members so i need them to be easy to connect to but even after two days of messing with them even I can't get them working
[[Sat,20:17] <Bee> lol sry that ^^ was me it just refreshed my name
[[Sat,21:32] <DeWildeDame> I set up my first functioning page, Reticulum is so much fun!
[[Sat,22:12] <BirdsofParadise> Reticulum is so much fun and vibrant, amazing tech, just love it
[[Sat,22:13] <BirdsofParadise> This just gonna change the game out there
[[Sat,22:50] <Quaso> Agreed, now the hard part is convincing everyone to set up biiig lora networks everywhere
[[Sat,23:17] <BirdsofParadise> Will test and setup one myself,tho need to get familiar with this good tech first..
[[Sun,00:55] <laptop> @Bee, you may need to turn on BLE, on Sideband 'Hardware > RNode' then toggle on 'Device requires BLE'. Try that, then add 'port = ble://RNode xxxx' replace those 4 x's with your Bluetooth RNode number.
[[Sun,00:57] <laptop> and of course I mean add that to your config on Sideband, found in 'Utilities > Advanced RNS Configuration'
[[Sun,00:59] <laptop> 6b05715f72c994c837fd6b6431caa9cf:/page/rnode.mu I have a simple setup explanation there.
[[Sun,01:59] <Bee> @laptop Thank you! Still not working but I appreciate the guidance. Turning on 'requires BLE' disables my ability to enable BT pairing on the device through Sideband, and there's no physical button on the board to pair. With 'requires BLE' off, I can use sideband to turn bt on/off/to pairing. I'm sure there's something silly I'm missing but I'm at a loss. Does the 'port = ble...' need to be added before BT can pair? Adding only it doesn't change anything and adding a whole rnode instance crashes the app.
[[Sun,02:05] <laptop> @Bee https://reticulum.network/manual/interfaces.html Try the toggle on BLE method, then just bluetooth by itself with "port = ble://' which simply connects to the first available device, is why I tell people to specify on my page because it may be a conflict issue, by if you specify the device, it's less likely to encounter conflicts.
[[Sun,02:06] <laptop> if neither work, try both bluetooth and ble ona and see what happens
[[Sun,02:07] <laptop> but if you specify* sorry
[[Sun,02:10] <laptop> And yes, you have to add your configuration first before you can even use bluetooth or BLE, it has to be present in 'Utilities > Advanced RNS Configuration'
[[Sun,02:15] <laptop> Just write to me and I'll send you my entire configuration so it's easier 0b4e4f22ef38010e20955ea158c141f5
[[Sun,02:27] <laptop> better yet I'll update my rnode page, make it even easier
[[Sun,02:42] <laptop> Read the hashtags carefully, you will need to edit the x's and copy the edited version of your config then dump it inside 'utilities > advanced rns configuration'
[[Sun,03:48] <Bee> @laptop You're a legend. Still no success, adding an RNode interface to the sideband RNS config crashes the app and forces it to boot with default config. I'm going to take a break from messing with it tonight and try again tomorrow. I may end up messaging you if I'm still stuck. Thank you for the help! Even if it's still not working, I think we got closer to figuring it out.
[[Sun,03:57] <hotsaucespecial> Hi all, and thanks for the cool site! I have an issue, I have a transition node set up on an rpi with heltec v4 trying to communicate with heltec v4 rnode on sideband. I am able to receive and send messages but not further than 5 feet away. Soemthings not right, any advice out there? settings are all the same 915MHz 125 kHz bandwidth 22 TX power 8sf 5 coding
[[Sun,03:57] <hotsaucespecial> sorry meant to say this is over LoRa
[[Sun,04:13] <laptop> @hotsaucespecial try reducing your TX power, 5 to 14 is a good range for tests on my devices.
[[Sun,16:26] <hotsaucespecial> @laptop thanks I'll give it a try and report back
[[Sun,19:11] <Chuck85> Howdy Folks
[[Sun,19:13] <Chuck85> /lastseen
[[Sun,20:52] <V0ltage> anyone have experience with getting rnode firmware on xiao nrf boards? was able to get firmware flashed but now im not sure what to do about the eeprom
[[Sun,22:16] <Guest> привет всем
[[Mon,04:11] <Guest> Well this is neat. I watched a random recommended YT video and today I'm here
[[Mon,17:44] <Ermitaño> Hi! Hola! here testing MeshChat :)
[[Mon,21:00] <Guest> RMAP.WORLD just got a new update!!!v4 beta with auto nodes discovery from announces, config guide available on-site! -> https://rmap.world/
[[Tue,03:45] <BOCC> This Is awesome. Using tcp for now but I just bought some heltec boards. I cant wait to host one of these over the radio.
[[Tue,17:12] <Sherb> I'm looking for people already having a nomadnet node,who want to be part of an decentralized microblog.Still in construction but some prototype on SherbyNode Ping me on the Chat room
[[Tue,19:20] <zer0bitz> hello world :)
[[Wed,19:43] <CSBurner> @bee You have to pair your device via USB first for device recognition, before you can pair it via bluetooth. The key exchange is only allowed "hard wired" for the RNode. Ypu may try this guide with Sideband. I guess Columba might work also. https://unsigned.io/guides/2023_01_19_RNode_Bluetooth_Setup_In_Sideband_On_Android.html
[[Wed,19:46] <Happy> hello guys :)
[[Wed,23:47] <Sherb> infos to how to Blog on Nomadnet a67e616be560d90cb46e8d2bf3973b93
[[Thu,00:02] <Violet> Hi there!
[[Thu,00:06] <Violet> @Sherb can you post that address marked as a link?
[[Thu,01:06] <Bee> @CSBurner Thanks for the insight! Unfortunately I'm still not having any luck. Following the guide you linked, everything works as intended until the step "You can now perform a normal Bluetooth pairing between the RNode and your device". The Rnode shows up in my 'available devices' bt list, the dialogue with the pin opens on my phone and rnode, and I click to confirm that the pin is correct. The Rnode connects for a second but then i get an error saying that the pin is wrong and the rnode disconnects.
[[Thu,01:21] <laptop> @Bee hmm... did you try what I suggested before? being specific about the port = ble://RNode etc etc name?
[[Thu,01:50] <Bee> @laptop Yeah. Adding an RNode interface to the config causes my app to crash/restart with default configs. I feel nuts cuz the info you provided was so thorough and it's still not working.
[[Thu,01:52] <Bee> I'll take a bit to go back through everything and make sure I'm not missing anything
[[Thu,01:54] <laptop> Try watching the video and see if it helps https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=D2sfkqeyQyg
[[Thu,01:55] <laptop> though this one if for nomadnet and meshchat primarily, it may help
[[Thu,02:00] <laptop> is for*
[[Thu,02:25] <System> Violet has joined The Chat Room!
[[Thu,02:34] <Violet> Uh, I like the Software running this like an IRC client. Except my screen is kinda small and I have to zoom out the window all the way to make it fit ;)
[[Thu,04:27] <Bee> @laptop Thanks for the video. It's nice to be able to do this from the command line. I followed it step-by-step and sending data through the USB serial port is working. Still no bluetooth. Changing the port from USB to BLE starts throwing errors "Could not open serial port for interface RNode" and then repeatedly tries to "open.. BLE connection for RNode" with no success. Switching to an unspecified ble:// has the same result. The screen aboard the RNode indicates that BT is enabled and I can activate pairing, this doesn't have an effect on the errors.
[[Thu,04:46] <laptop> In the beginning I had similar issues getting mine to pair, but it was really my own mistake, not holding the multi-function button long enough, in your case it may be something else(?)
[[Thu,04:52] <Bee> Must be, the LilyGo LoRa32s don't have a multifunction button. I'm so stumped
[[Thu,05:09] <laptop> Perhaps there's different instructions for those devices.
[[Thu,05:13] <laptop> https://unsigned.io/installing-rnode-firmware-on-supported-devices/
[[Fri,07:04] <zer0bitz> morning :P
[[Fri,08:05] <Guest> test
[[Fri,10:11] <Toloka> test
[[Fri,12:20] <Sherb> How to blog on Nomadneta67e616be560d90cb46e8d2bf3973b93:/page/index.mupage=HOW TO BLOG ON RETICULUM]
[[Fri,12:22] <Sherb> a67e616be560d90cb46e8d2bf3973b93:/page/index.mupage=HOW TO BLOG ON RETICULUM]
[[Fri,12:22] <Sherb> link dont work
[[Fri,12:42] <TONY> Hello! How do I ehm... Increase nodes content availability? Right now I see alot of nodes, but can't reach most of them :( Connection timing out
[[Fri,16:20] <Ретикулум> Здравствуйте
[[Fri,16:26] <laptop> @TONY It's either a height issue, a distance issue, a frequency issue (not on the same fq, sf, bw,) or a line of sight issue, that's usually the case with most LoRa devices. A lot of us can't reach one another at the moment, we're just too far away, but you can always build a local network for yourself that may one day be reached by others. It's a good idea to set up a node (nomadnet webpage) with your specific fq, bw, sf] to let others know how to reach you.
[[Fri,19:32] <TONY> I'm just testing reticulum over TCP public nodes right now :) Just planning to get some radio device. But thanks for advices, will use it later <3
[[Fri,19:55] <laptop> @TONY the SparkNOde page may help b407b32b576d55b31c73380518537ac0:/page/amberpages_lite.mu
[[Fri,19:55] <laptop> amber pages
[[Fri,22:34] <desktop> amber lamps
[[Fri,23:31] <mookrad> this is cool
[[Fri,23:31] <meshtester> hi all guys
[[Fri,23:31] <meshtester> how are you?
[[Fri,23:32] <meshtester> 🧁 🐸 🎧 🌪 🤡 🐨 💘 🧠 🛸 🥭
[[Fri,23:36] <laptop> Well ty.
[[Fri,23:49] <Meteo> Meteo Request from meshtester: Weather in moscow: 5.9C, Slight rain
[[Sat,01:05] <nu11_byt3r> How the room these days?
[[Sat,01:21] <Guest> Have a nice day or night, whoever is reading
[[Sat,12:30] <TheWildLady> An amazing day or nigth to you too!
[[Sat,17:49] <mecannotread_75> hello everybody
[[Sun,02:20] <Search> If I add a hash to my blackhole list using rnpath -b should that stop announces showing up in nomadnet? I wanted to test the blackhole feature but even after restarting nomadnet, I am still seeing announces from that node that I blocked. I just want to make sure that I understand how blackholes work.
[[Sun,03:45] <laptop> Try rnpath --help
[[Sun,07:26] <zer0bitz> good morning :P
[[Mon,01:12] <Guest> Hi everyone
[[Mon,01:13] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room!
[[Mon,15:03] <FOF> hello everyone from saint-ptersburg!!
[[Mon,15:49] <SkullV@work> hey party people
[[Mon,15:56] <SkullV@work> hmm, when I click the fingerprint button (in meshchat) it fails to reload this page.
[[Mon,16:51] <NotYourAffair> Hello from Moscow!
[[Mon,16:51] <Meteo> Meteo Request from NotYourAffair: Weather in moscow: 11.3C, Mainly clear
[[Mon,17:19] <Dragon> Huzzah, i can connect again!
[[Mon,18:24] <DockSeed> hello from germany
[[Tue,10:42] <Guest> hello from russia!
[[Tue,13:21] <Guest> Hello from a repurposed Helium mining Pi HAT! It's a shame the github was turned read only. I wanted to write about it in the discussion post.
[[Tue,13:22] <Guest> I wrote a driver and RNode emulation layer for the SX1301 radio chip. It works great! I want to also add interoperability with Meshtastic and Meshcore (I don't know much about Meshcore yet.)
[[Tue,13:28] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in grand rapids, mi: 18.2C, Overcast
[[Wed,06:10] <zer0bitz> hello world
[[Wed,06:45] <transfer> I plan to implement a minimal distributed file system on RNS.
[[Wed,06:49] <transfer> no DHT, no file chunking (implement this yourself), only raw bytes and basic data exchange.
[[Wed,06:52] <transfer> The maximum block size is not yet determined, but it will definitely be possible to upload images.
[[Wed,06:53] <transfer> Finally, I'll revamp rns-image-hosting.
[[Wed,17:43] <Guest> Привет
[[Fri,17:42] <CBO> @transfer There's a pretty active community on Matrix, and I know that especially the firmware for RNode part needs some love :) You should check it out!
[[Fri,21:44] <Guest> Есть кто?
[[Sat,00:03] <tranfer> https://github.com/tyxlb/RFS
[[Sat,00:03] <transfer> reticulum file system, A minimalist decentralized file system on RNS
[[Sat,00:27] <CcRup> Hello from Texas
[[Sat,04:56] <Guest> Hello from USA
[[Sat,16:33] <Guest> hello from usa
[[Sat,19:47] <Guest> this is roger over
[[Sun,00:25] <UX> Is branching threads bad UX?
[[Sun,04:43] <Guest> henlo from the midwest!
[[Sun,05:56] <Guest> I broke my arm in 3 places. My doctor told me to stop going to those places.
[[Sun,06:48] <zer0bitz> morning peeps :)
[[Sun,08:28] <Guest> rns-image-hosting now working with RFS, you can retrieve files using the same hash
[[Sun,12:05] <Rukh> Hello from NZ
[[Sun,13:30] <nu11_byt3r> Good morning, afternoon and evening depending on where you are.
[[Sun,13:32] <ballzy> this is cool!
[[Sun,20:00] <u4iaaa> Hello from NL :)
[[Sun,20:46] <Bear> Growl (Hello)
[[Sun,23:03] <Smolder> Hello from NE Ohio, USA!
[[Mon,00:53] <Guest> testing
[[Mon,00:54] <cal-gary> test
[[Mon,00:54] <cal-gary> weather in alberta is -3
[[Mon,04:11] <nimix5811> hello from alberta
[[Mon,05:25] <anarch> good evening from Atlanta, GA
[[Mon,17:56] <nu11_byt3r> Just curious anyone know of a streaming audio project for reticulum?
[[Mon,19:25] <Guest> 🧑🏭 🧑💼 🧑🔬 🧑🚒
[[Mon,19:26] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room! Message: everyone
[[Mon,19:31] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room! Message: everyone
[[Mon,19:34] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in athens: 18.5C, Overcast
[[Mon,19:38] <Guest> Hello from Ukraine!
[[Mon,21:17] <Search> I saw someone posted about DNS on Reticulum. Does anyone know where I can find out more about this.
[[Mon,22:35] <Sherb> @Search I found this https://github.com/GimmeDataNow/rns-dns but never test it
[[Mon,22:38] <Sherb> New update on the Decentralize blog : a67e616be560d90cb46e8d2bf3973b93:/page/retiblog.mu
[[Tue,00:43] <Guest> @nu11_byt3r https://github.com/tyxlb/rns-live-streaming？
[[Tue,00:49] <transfer> @Sherb do you need https://github.com/tyxlb/RFS?
[[Tue,13:21] <Guest> hello! from Michigan
[[Tue,17:20] <Guest> does anyone know where i can find the euclid nomadnet browser for reticulum? i tried searching for it but nothing came up
[[Tue,21:31] <Guest20> michigan too, why so many here lol
[[Thu,07:01] <nezeri> hello
[[Thu,07:01] <abobz> hello from yekaterinburg
[[Thu,09:21] <jesteibice> Hello from Serbia
[[Thu,12:29] <Guest> Hello from Nigeria
[[Thu,12:43] <Guest> Greetings from Canada
[[Thu,15:02] <Vincenzo> Hi everyone! Cheers from Poland!
[[Thu,15:49] <Guest> /help
[[Thu,15:49] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in ottawa: 12.3C, Clear sky
[[Thu,18:26] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in nyc: 9.6C, Clear sky
[[Thu,18:27] <bicycles> greetings from NYC
[[Thu,19:24] <tor> What's new in NYC? -boston
[[Thu,21:50] <Guest> what is the ideal amount of interfaces to add to reticulum's config file?
[[Thu,22:18] <Sherb> @transfer for now i'm using nomadnet node for the blog system but I think, it will possible with RFS
[[Fri,00:09] <Guest> greetings from berlin
[[Fri,01:43] <Guest> Coming soon a chromium based web browser that can seamlessly browse the internet and reticulum rwebservers with no extra proxies.
[[Fri,02:11] <Guest> Yes its in testing now.
[[Fri,13:16] <Guest> Hello from Tomsk
[[Fri,13:30] <Guest> Greetings from Norway
[[Fri,19:52] <Guest> In case anyone is interested Station G2 Rnode firmware. https://codeberg.org/kraven/g2_rnode_firmware
[[Sun,14:33] <Jojo> hello from jakarta
[[Sun,15:40] <Guest> hello from north ga usa
[[Sun,16:46] <Alvearum> Hi from netherlands
[[Sun,20:40] <lexv> HaLow
[[Sun,21:04] <Guest> Hello from California. Home of the largest government fraud operation.
[[Sun,21:04] <Mr.Null> Whats up y'all from the middle of the US
[[Sun,21:08] <Mr.Null> Which of the many fraud operations in Cali are you talking about?
[[Mon,01:08] <the_dude> hello from minnesota
[[Mon,01:46] <isdad> Hey guys, from LA
[[Mon,09:41] <Guest> RNS 1.1.5 is out!
[[Mon,17:17] <neoemit> man I hope that version is better than the last few... xD
[[Mon,17:17] <neoemit> Hello everyone! Nice to see so many people from various different parts of the world!
[[Mon,17:58] <Nkryptr> Hello from Omaha, Nebraska!
[[Mon,20:39] <Guest> hi
[[Mon,21:53] <CHP> Hello from Portland, Oregon
[[Mon,23:15] <ConfusedFromTexas> So, is this like a second Internet? I read through much of unsigned.io, but, as much effort as that fellow expended, it is still unclear.
[[Mon,23:16] <ConfusedFromTexas> I remember back in the 1990s, there was going to be an Internet 2, but that fizzled out.
[[Mon,23:17] <ConfusedFromTexas> I came here looking because I heard that the Session app was going away. I don't want to use Signal because they need a phone number. I am hoping, somehow, that Reticulum (along with some relevant application) can replace Session for me.
[[Mon,23:59] <laptop> @ConfuseFromTexas https://reticulum.network/manual/software.html
[[Tue,00:00] <laptop> @ConfusedFromTexas *
[[Tue,01:46] <ConfusedFromTexas> Thank you for the link. I was, in fact, familiar with that webpage. I was just speaking broadly about my interest in Reticulum.
[[Tue,01:47] <ConfusedFromTexas> As well-developed as these programs are, they still are not quite as intuitive to use as they need to be for wider adoption.
[[Tue,02:23] <ConfusedFromTexas> Anyone using Sideband or Columba?
[[Tue,02:27] <laptop> The learning curve is the price of entry, but the community so far is worth it.
[[Tue,02:30] <laptop> I use Sideband.
[[Tue,03:19] <Pyrite> I still am not really sure the best way to have everything configured to best embrace the idea of Reticulum here.
[[Tue,03:26] <Pyrite> It's not really a second Internet, especially being largely dependent on the current Internet's protocols and infrastructure. That being said, it does empower individual networks and their sovereignty. More like the network of the peoples. Hopefully we will have enough people on board for this to be an internet that doesn't rely on centralized infrastructure (what the internet should've always been, imo).
[[Tue,04:52] <transfer> Reticulum does not depend on IP addresses, so it is essentially a second internet.
[[Tue,04:53] <transfer> Regarding ease of use, LXMF is more like an email service than an instant messaging service (it also doesn't have group chat functionality).
[[Tue,04:59] <Guest> Discord is a template for modern instant messaging, featuring large groups, multiple chat rooms, message replies, and more.
[[Tue,05:20] <ConfusedFromTexas> For me, Sideband on Android isn't discovering any nodes. I don't want to be helpless, but avenues for research are scarce.
[[Tue,05:30] <laptop> 6b05715f72c994c837fd6b6431caa9cf:/page/rnode.mu
[[Tue,05:45] <Guest> We need a new protocol and a new client to replace LXMF, but who has the authority to do so?
[[Tue,05:45] <ConfusedFromTexas> Well, Sideband on Android did work, after an hour, and after me adding a list of interfaces.
[[Tue,05:46] <ConfusedFromTexas> https://letsdecentralize.org/rollcall/reticulum.txt
[[Tue,05:56] <Guest> Oh, decentralized systems certainly don't need an authority, but we should still think about what we really need.
[[Tue,06:22] <ConfusedFromTexas> Is it normal for rBrowser tabs to get "Failed to load page: Timeout" extremely frequently?
[[Tue,06:23] <ConfusedFromTexas> Even this page, when I try to send a message, often results in an error message due to a timeout
[[Tue,18:32] <laptop> It happens.
[[Wed,05:47] <zer0bitz> good morning :)
[[Thu,12:10] <Guest> Test
[[Thu,13:09] <felter> Hello there!
[[Thu,14:01] <zaprf> hello all!
[[Thu,14:02] <zaprf> whare are u from?
[[Thu,14:02] <zaprf> i'm write from italy.
hope u fine
[[Thu,14:34] <Guest> Hello from Finland
[[Thu,16:10] <Guest> hello i found your page on roogle.us
[[Fri,00:29] <Sherb> I test roogle.us , is really nice site to navigate nodes
[[Fri,14:06] <Guest> hello!
[[Fri,16:22] <Guest> hello
[[Fri,19:02] <BLT> hello i am confused
[[Fri,19:15] <Guest> Hello, confused. I am too.
[[Fri,19:16] <Guest> Hello, confused. I am too.
[[Fri,19:16] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room!
[[Fri,19:53] <Guest> hello i am confused too
[[Fri,21:32] <Dialup> what's poppin
[[Fri,22:40] <Dialup> what's poppin
[[Sat,00:27] <Dialup> what's poppin
[[Sat,00:28] <Dialup> Sorry, it appears the message gets resent whenever I reload the page for some reason
[[Sat,03:50] <Guest> Chromium Browser to browser both the commercial internet and rweb servers, no proxy needed. https://codeberg.org/kraven/meshy-browser
[[Sat,04:04] <Dissident> PSA: Not eveyone needs a home page on NomadNet. If your home page is ugly or blank, you can just stop announcing it. Thanks.
[[Sat,07:20] <Guest> Good thing you're not the boss
[[Sat,07:36] <toka> Hello World!
[[Sat,16:23] <Guest> RNS 1.1.6 is out.
[[Sat,17:08] <TEC> Hello World, nice to see y'all here!
[[Sat,17:25] <Guest> Solution to NomadNet page discovery: MeshRings (instead of webrings)
[[Sat,22:31] <stephen> this is awesome
[[Sat,23:12] <0xm> Hello world :)
[[Sun,02:58] <Guest> ( .)(. )
[[Sun,08:48] <Stumblrpod> MeshRings sounds good.
[[Sun,09:09] <toka> I think ( .)(. ) is better sounding
[[Sun,14:12] <h8ter4d3> lol @ Dissident. You don't like "welcome to my page"? wat
[[Sun,20:41] <Jezz> Incredible !
[[Sun,20:53] <Guest> anyone from france ?
[[Sun,20:58] <Guest> anyone from france ?
[[Mon,16:35] <Loyalist> PSA: Everyone needs a home page on NomadNet! Even if your home page is blank or "ugly", you're still encouraged to announce it. We welcome everyone :D
[[Mon,18:25] <toka> Loyalist I love you!
[[Mon,18:47] <toka> Loyalist I love you!
[[Mon,18:51] <nu11_byt3r> +100
[[Mon,18:52] <Guest> Anyone got tips for getting nomadnet to connect to nodes reliably?
[[Tue,13:22] <Malayopython> What's cracking my fellow radicals?
[[Tue,13:25] <Malayopython> I run my nomadnet in a VPN-connected VM on a separate VLAN on my homeserver. I guess having 247 connectivity increases connection quality and persistence, right?
[[Tue,14:25] <Search> What benefit do you get from running the VM in a separate vlan?
[[Tue,15:14] <Guest> Hello all, I am happy to see these fun projects people are doing. Have fun all.
[[Tue,15:32] <Guest> RNS 1.1.7 is out.
[[Tue,17:06] <Dracula> Anyone know what's the d34l with 003ffb5ff7157c4f0d95568ced245293 and broken announces?
[[Tue,18:11] <Guest> Test?
[[Tue,18:35] <laptop> RNS 1.1.8
[[Tue,22:21] <Malayopython> @Search I moved the VM to a separate VLAN to have a distinct broadcast domain (eg. subnet) for reticulum
[[Tue,22:23] <Malayopython> For testing this is great because I don't entirely trust some of the code I run for reticulum, there are a lot of random projects. Also, in my other DMZ VLAN I have some more sensitive / production deployments.
[[Tue,23:24] <Quilnux> Hello everyone!
[[Tue,23:52] <Malayopython> hello brothers and sisters
[[Wed,01:21] <Quilnux> Good evening @Malayopython
[[Wed,01:22] <Quilnux> Almost forgot to upgrade my transport node. Thanks for the reminder @laptop
[[Wed,04:20] <Reign> If I'm interested in hosting a hub kind of like the MichMesh.net server, what is the best way to go about it? im familiar with web hosting/domains etc but usually thats reverse proxying. the reticulum part is the confusing bit
[[Wed,05:55] <zer0bitz> morning
[[Wed,14:45] <laptop> new updates
[[Wed,15:03] <Daikon> @Reign to function as a hub, you just need to configure a 'TCPServerInterface' or 'BackboneInterface' in the reticulum config along with listen_port. Then set up port forwarding (if needed)
[[Wed,17:17] <Quilnux> Good morning. Forgive me for asking a n00b question but Nomadnet is new to me. How do I set the trusted propagation node address? I assume it's in the nomad config file but what is the name of the config option to set?
[[Wed,17:58] <Malayopython> I configured it through the text user interface, didn't find a configuration file option either
[[Wed,18:17] <Malayopython> @Quilnux run nomadnet in terminal, click 'Network', then Ctrl+L for announce stream, then click 'Propagation Nodes', then select your preferred node, then click 'Use as default'
[[Wed,18:19] <Malayopython> if you host a propagation node using lxmd, the logs should show 'LXMF Propagation Node started on <...>' at some point. You can search for this identity inside nomadnet (after clicking 'Propagation Nodes')
[[Wed,18:24] <Malayopython> Does anybody know how to disable the internal propagation node of nomadnet? I am running a dedicated lxmd instance and in MeshChat it shows both propagation node destinations (lxmd and nomadnet) as yellow.
[[Wed,18:30] <laptop> disable_propagation = Yes (or No)
[[Wed,18:31] <Malayopython> did this already
[[Wed,18:32] <Quilnux> @Malayopython I found it by trial and error. It's "trusted_propagation_node = <node address>"
[[Wed,18:34] <Quilnux> Wow, another update for RNS. Dev sure is busy for someone who was saying he was "out". heh.. Not complaining but it makes we wonder if he is back "in".
[[Wed,19:29] <Reign> @Daikon thanks for that. if i understand correctly, that would allow someone to use <IP>:<Port>. for someone to use '<sub-domain>.<domain>', i assume that would require a purchased domain and proxy of some kind?
[[Wed,20:20] <f> hello
[[Wed,20:37] <Quilnux> @Reign You can do TCPServerInterface with either <IP>:<Port> or with <sub-domain>.<domain>. You don't actually need a domain name to make it work. The domain name would only serve to give a "human-readable" address to use, instead of trying to memorize an IP address.
[[Wed,20:39] <Quilnux> @f Hello there!
[[Thu,02:42] <Reign> awesome, ok that makes sense. appreciate the clarifications
[[Thu,03:42] <Quilnux> Glad I could help!
[[Thu,17:40] <Search> In my Nomadnet node, I am trying to create a link to an image file located in my files directory. I assume that the link would just follow the same pattern as a link to an mu file but the link is not working. Does anyone have a suggestion or maybe a link to a page that I can see as an example?
[[Thu,18:20] <Malayopython> i think someone mentioned that you need to link to /file, not /files and that this is unintuitive because the directory is called /files
[[Thu,18:20] <Malayopython> haven't embedded any images on my own page tho
[[Thu,18:38] <Malayopython> Here is an example: 6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c:/page/blog/posts/2026-04-23-nomadnet-linking-to-files/index.mu
[[Thu,20:48] <Guest> fucking rude
[[Thu,20:49] <Guest> not to any of you; just the system automatically blocking my message cause I put a keyword that is used for spam; whatever.
[[Thu,20:50] <Guest> Anyways, @Quilnux, yea he wants a break from the OS community rather than from deving in general but also those updates were kinda critical stuff rather than new additions so it kinda makes sense
[[Thu,22:26] <JEREDEK> Hello everyone, I just started up reticulum and nomadnet for the first time, any tips for a first timer?
[[Thu,23:10] <Malayopython> Go to random other sites and copy-paste the .mu file format for your own site
[[Thu,23:28] <Guest> yea check out one of the several search engine nodes that are around here like Waystone
[[Fri,00:56] <Quilnux> @Guest I see. I'm very new around here so I don't know the Devs history. Just read his web site, the entire manual and saw the message on the git repo. Good to see that at least servicing updates are still being considered and merged.
[[Fri,01:19] <Malayopython> afaik devs are still working, no end in sight
[[Fri,01:23] <Josef> hello from jakarta
[[Fri,16:50] <Guest> testing?
[[Fri,17:03] <Josef> hello everybody
[[Fri,19:17] <Malayopython> is it my side or does this site have intermittent connectivity drops sometimes?
[[Fri,22:36] <Quilnux> Hello @Josef
[[Fri,22:41] <Quilnux> It's not your side @Malayopython. I've not been able to load this site pretty much all day until now. There are other sites not working that did yesterday. I think we lost some infrastructure today. RMAP says we have 226, but we had 237 yesterday. So probably some paths are having their routes updated. It probably takes some time for the network to adjust.
[[Sat,00:26] <Malayopython> amazing
[[Sat,04:02] <Josef> @Quilnux hi there. Iam new here just trying out reticulum.
[[Sat,04:03] <Josef> seems to me very good to me the reticulum as alternative internet
[[Sat,16:01] <NorthernIrelandguy> @Quilnux I would not take the RMAP numbers so seriously; from messing about with my configs I managed to create 5 extra ghost interfaces that haven't been connectable in days but will still apear on the map for like 30 days before they disappear. Plus there's like an extra 200 LoRA type interfaces in the v3 version of the map + there's plenty of interfaces that exist but don't advertise (either for privacy or they live in russia/china or they are just old and existed before discovery was added recently)
[[Sat,16:08] <NorthernIrelandguy> Frankly besides some LoRA interfaces and maybe some bridges out of Authortrian (idk how to spell it) countries the amount of backbone connections on reticulum don't really matter, 97% chance if you can already connect to some reticulum backbone server you can already connect to the rest of the internet so it doesn't fucking matter; you are not adding any new functionality right now that the normal IP stack doesn't already give you.
[[Sat,16:15] <NorthernIrelandguy> That's not to say it's totally meaingless to have more backbone connections; it reduces load on other nodes and it allows more efficient routing locally if you are just trying to send a message to the city over (and lower latency of course), it's just that those tiny improvements don't matter to much cause frankly there's not much traffic or stuff happening on the network and that's fine; I did it cause it's fun and I believe in the idea (and hate the uk goverment)
[[Sat,22:47] <Quilnux> @Josef Yeah, for sure. I've been using Reticulum for about a week now. It's a really good option and once it grows it'll be cool to connect without needing the internet anymore.
[[Mon,15:11] <Guest> oh lit we are back
[[Mon,17:33] <Quilnux> Seems like it. How is everyone else doing this week?
[[Mon,17:37] <Search> Doing well here. Recently started a new job, just waiting for real work to start.
[[Mon,17:56] <Malayopython> Mostly fine, how do you find a junior developer job nowadays?
[[Mon,21:55] <Guest> If anyone is interested, first version of RT Radio, an audio streaming server and client have been published at https://codeberg.org/kraven/rt_radio
[[Mon,22:19] <NorthernIrelandguy> looks pretty fucking cool; reminds me of the i2p radio channels which are similar
[[Mon,22:21] <NorthernIrelandguy> maybe a little too direct
[[Mon,22:42] <Guest> I was looking for old school something from the 90s or 2K.
[[Mon,22:44] <Guest> Seems to work good on my local mesh, I haven't tested on multihop or lora yet.
[[Tue,02:13] <Guest> hey!
[[Tue,02:14] <Niko> Greetings from Buenos Aires y'all ;)
[[Tue,04:55] <laptop> So whoever keeps calling me; I don't have a mic on this device, I can't answer.
[[Tue,05:15] <laptop> My apologies.
[[Tue,07:42] <RaspberriPy> Anyone using a Raspberry Pi 2 for reticulum? Would it be ok as a transport node or forget it
[[Tue,11:27] <NorthernIrelandguy> Personally did that shit on a Raspberry pi 2 B (i don't remember exactly what the difference is) and it seems to work well; just remember to use systemd or some bullshit like that to that it autostarts so that if your power cuts you don't have to ssh into it every time which is really annoying
[[Tue,13:34] <Malayopython> getting called myself on a regular basis - is this a bug or are ppl really just randomly calling each other?
[[Tue,15:36] <laptop> Probably just testers.
[[Tue,21:17] <Guest> Curious if anyone is able to hear a streaming server yet?
[[Tue,22:08] <laptop> Still haven't gotten it going.
[[Tue,22:30] <Guest> I have seen someone connect to my stream, but I don't think I have seen any other broadcasts. @laptop whats the error?
[[Tue,22:38] <laptop> No error I'm just busy and tired, I'll get around to it eventually.
[[Tue,22:39] <Guest> Gotcha, no rush just curious.
[[Tue,22:58] <laptop> Streaming is actually something I'm interested in, but these next few days will be busy for me. If you send me a message we can test later 0b4e4f22ef38010e20955ea158c141f5
[[Wed,02:10] <Josef> Hi everybody..
[[Wed,02:12] <Josef> does somebody know a browser app for the nomadnet if there is available?
[[Wed,03:22] <laptop> @Josef https://github.com/liamcottle/reticulum-meshchat/releases
[[Wed,05:27] <Josef> @laptop thank you.
[[Wed,17:08] <Malayopython> is there a decent nomadnet browser for android?
[[Wed,18:05] <nu11_byt3r> Meshchatx has apks but I haven't tried them yet.
[[Wed,18:05] <nu11_byt3r> https://git.quad4.io/RNS-Things/MeshChatX/releases/tag/v4.5.1
[[Wed,18:05] <nu11_byt3r> FYI meshchatx will be moving to github in version 4.6
[[Wed,18:41] <Guest> just curious... why github?
[[Wed,19:15] <Malayopython> Github is a pain, always bans me immediately after account creation
[[Wed,19:28] <Malayopython> hosting a git instance is not harder than hosting a website, basically just docker compose up
[[Wed,20:25] <nu11_byt3r> @Guest not sure I don't really care for Github myself.
[[Wed,20:58] <NorthernIrelandguy> @Josef there's also the rBrowser which allows you to see nomadnet sites on whatever browser you want by typing in localhost:5000 if you just want a slightly more convenient way of accessing nomadnet sites
[[Wed,21:00] <NorthernIrelandguy> also can't you host gits through reticulum
[[Wed,21:02] <NorthernIrelandguy> oh sweet; git got add as a part of the default utilities in 1.20 like yesterday that's cool
[[Wed,21:03] <NorthernIrelandguy> I knew it was a program that but I guess it got added offically now
[[Wed,21:04] <NorthernIrelandguy> gotta go update my node to it cause performance improvements are neat
[[Wed,21:06] <Guest> also ssh over reticulum if you are a nerd; I was wondering when that would come in
[[Wed,21:09] <Northernirealndguy> accidently typed as guest; there's no real syncronise conversation
[[Wed,21:09] <Northernirealndguy> maybe one day
[[Wed,21:20] <Northernirealndguy> let me try how good rnsh is
[[Wed,21:45] <NorthernIrelandguy> okay I can for the life of me not figure out how identities work so that is an adventure for a different day.
[[Wed,21:46] <NorthernIrelandguy> someone put an explaination for all the identifies and LXMF Addr and shit on the reticulum wiki at some point cause I don't get that shit at all, it's the one bit of reticulum that avoids me
[[Wed,21:48] <NorthernIrelandguy> I just try all the 400 character strings to try to message someone
[[Wed,21:48] <NorthernIrelandguy> when you do rnstatus it gives you different identities than from nomadnet? I don't understand
[[Wed,21:53] <NorthernIrelandguy> but anyways praise be mark our savior and lord that gives us a shitty reticulum network that only kinda works cause the amount of transport node could probably be all taken out in a middium size drone strike but hopefully one day it'll mean I can replace 4g with my customer 42069g protocol so I can browse 4chan in the middle of a desert with a 20 meter LoRA antena
[[Thu,19:10] <RaspberriPy> Raspberry Pi 2B v1.1 works great with RNS on DietPi 32bit
[[Fri,02:00] <Jack> hello
[[Fri,07:52] <josef> hello there
[[Sat,02:33] <Ayzenay> Hoi
[[Sun,03:21] <Guest> rnode connected to sideband with all other connectivity disabled. I'm at zero received packets in the last six hours. Something wrong with me?
[[Sun,03:27] <Guest> My frequency is set to 915 MHz. Bandwidth is set to 125 kHz. Spreading factor is 8. TX is at 7.
[[Sun,16:48] <nu11_byt3r> Did something happen to the chat room
[[Sun,17:11] <Guest> Hello, i get lot of "Could not establish link to destination."
[[Sun,17:43] <Guest2> not sure exactly why that is; maybe something to do with the backbone servers being overloaded to hell. Either way, all I have found is that it's less likely to happen when there is less hops between you and the server; and that pretty much means being connected to more interfaces if you can
[[Sun,17:57] <Guest> Maybe reticulum I2P nodes go down/up and broke reticulum links
[[Sun,18:57] <Guest22> I would think most of the traffic follows through backbone interfaces rather than i2p ones unless it absolutely had to
[[Sun,19:05] <Guest> hi
[[Sun,19:27] <Guest2> hai babe
[[Sun,19:41] <Guest> Hi
[[Sun,21:40] <Guest> You need someone to actually send lora packets on your same frequency to see any packets
[[Mon,02:53] <GuessyGuest> where are you guys all from?
[[Mon,02:54] <GuessyGuest> I assume NorthernIrelandguy is from northern ireland
[[Mon,02:54] <GuessyGuest> Or somewhere with a big desert that lacks cell signal
[[Mon,03:57] <zer0bitz> nomadnet on version 1.0.0, remember to update :)
[[Mon,09:23] <NorthernIrelandguy> @GuessyGuest yep; correct. The best proxy for where people here are is probably rmap (https://rmap.world/), which shows mostly europe, the united states and a little bit of south east asia; but people who are afraid of their government probably wouldn't publicly post their exact geolocation, there's more russian nomadnet sites here than you'd expect based on the amount of nodes because of that.
[[Mon,09:24] <NorthernIrelandguy> @Guest yea same frequency, spread factor, coding rate, bandwidth, everything
[[Mon,09:31] <NorthernIrelandguy> @GuessyGuest also to be clear; I was just larping about the desert thing; I just thought it was just a funny concept, to be fair we have 10km stretches of farms between small towns, so it's not completely baseless cause I'm gonna attempt to set up some Rnodes here and even on the highest spreading factor getting connection between major towns would be difficult unless every single little 500 people town had a LoRa node, which could be possible given the amount of meshcore nodes I see when checking that map out.
[[Mon,09:37] <NorthernIrelandguy> From some of the mountains near belfast you can see all the way to parts of scotland; so that's a direct line of sight that LoRA nodes love. So if I ever get a team of nerds here I'll try to get a direct connnection from the mountain tops to there (and it would generally be a good access point for everyone anyways) but it'll be a while before that can happen
[[Mon,09:47] <NorthernIrelandguy> Much more Rnodes will pop up when running transport modes on them naively without having a computer connected become common cause that only started being a thing recently, cause then it's just a matter of buying a few and planting them in friends' houses and forgetting about them to then have a good network that'll last a few years for maybe 100 pounds total?
[[Mon,09:51] <NorthernIrelandguy> not sure what I'll set as the spreading factor; if it's too high then it'll be kinda useless as soon as the network is formed and painful to change cause i'll be the standard here; but if it's too low then I'll never be able to connect anything. I'll decide once I some functioning nodes to play around with
[[Mon,10:07] <NorthernIrelandguy> not sure what I'll set as the spreading factor; if it's too high then it'll be kinda useless as soon as the network is formed and painful to change cause i'll be the standard here; but if it's too low then I'll never be able to connect anything. I'll decide once I some functioning nodes to play around with
[[Mon,12:18] <TheGuyMissingHisCat> after one week of missing my cat returned today! i am so happy
[[Mon,18:22] <NorthernIrelandguy> congrats my guy
[[Tue,05:30] <Guest> Is this real life?
[[Tue,08:16] <zer0bitz> @TheGuyMissingHisCat i knew he would be back :D glad to hear this!
[[Thu,10:21] <Malayopython> 439fe8227dad5b844a691366b452e0b4:/page/index.mu is still down, right?
[[Thu,10:21] <Malayopython> 63 hops away for me
[[Thu,18:13] <Guest> concerning the room topic: my real life is good, i'd like to have a girlfriend tho
[[Thu,18:21] <Guest> if anyone's interested XD
[[Thu,18:33] <Malayopython> now it's 119 hops...
[[Thu,18:34] <Malayopython> Room topic is stupid i don't have a real life
[[Thu,19:09] <Guest> any advice?
[[Fri,01:35] <laptop> Advice: Don't turn down a phone number, because the person you love may not love you back, at least you'll have a friend, and it's better to marry a friend than to spend your life trying to convince someone to love you. That's my perspective anyway.
[[Fri,01:37] <laptop> Of course, if you're already in a realtionship, perobably not a good idea to be taking phone numbers left and right.
[[Fri,01:38] <laptop> relationship probably* sorry, long day, heh
[[Fri,10:59] <Guest> /topif WELCOME TO THE CHAT ROOM! - FREE CHAT ONLY! :D
[[Fri,12:38] <Malayopython> someone didn't like the topic there...
[[Fri,12:47] <Malayopython> does anyone have experience with the range of the heltec v4 rnode? how far can it go?
[[Fri,17:38] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython I've only tested it at a mile so far, was able to send messages no problem, next test will be much further.
[[Fri,21:57] <Guest> i bought a heltec t114 and on a 3ah battery it has gone a week so far
[[Fri,23:35] <Guest> was the battery just powering the heltec or was it also powering a compute device like a pi?
[[Sat,02:12] <CRYSTL> testing :3
[[Sat,02:41] <nu11_byt3r> FYI I have been seeing some spam calls in MeshChatx you might want to set to accept only from contacts to limit this if you see it as well.
[[Sat,04:07] <Guest> yeah, I have gotten some spam calls too.
[[Sat,07:12] <Guest> Anyone know of a lifepo4 charging module that can charge a single cell with solar?
[[Sat,09:45] <OffGridRN> @Guest Check out 'Waveshare Power Modules' They have ones that have a tray for an single 18650, or others that you can charge different battery types 12V etc.
[[Sat,09:48] <OffGridRN> @Guest I've got a solar node in a field set up. It uses 8ah battery, 100W panel, Rak Wisblock and zero. Been running for two months now.
[[Sat,09:52] <OffGridRN> @NorthernIrelandguy Any Rnodes where you are?
[[Sat,11:32] <Guest> hello my fellow retards
[[Sat,12:05] <Malayopython> finally got around to flashing my own rnode, wish me luck guys
[[Sat,12:09] <OffGridRN> @Guest Hey you guys aha!
[[Sat,12:11] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython This is the way.
[[Sat,14:27] <Malayopython> what's the optimal setting for an rnode in germany in sideband? i'm really new to all the radio terminology
[[Sat,14:28] <Malayopython> i'm talking about frequency, bandwidth, tx power, spreading factor, coding rate. is there a comprehensive guide? which of these settings is location-dependent?
[[Sat,14:46] <Malayopython> i have a running rnode and it's paired with my phone using bluetooth. sideband doesn't connect, though.
[[Sat,14:46] <Malayopython> the error message in the sideband logs are: Could not open serial port for interface RNodeInterface The contained exception was: Could not connect to any Bluetooth devices
[[Sat,14:59] <Meteo> Meteo Request from KernelPanic: Weather in moscow: 12.0C, Overcast
[[Sat,15:15] <Malayopython> my other rnode is connected via bluetooth to this meshchat, it also doesn't show the interface as online (after restarting)
[[Sat,15:15] <Malayopython> what am i doing wrong?
[[Sat,16:15] <@NorthernIrelandguy> nah @OffGridRN, I wanna set some up, got a nice combo of 5 of the xiao esp32s3 thingys antenna that also got 3dbi antenna for like 50 pounds (10 each), and I'm gonna just spread them across my area
[[Sat,16:28] <Malayopython> In Meshchat it also doesn't show the rnode as online, it's connected via usb c. on my phone(s) i can use the rnode via usb c but bluetooth doesn't work. can anybody help?
[[Sat,16:30] <Malayopython> i am using a heltec v4 and it seems like i needed to enable BLE on sideband
[[Sat,16:32] <OffGridRN> @NothernIrelandguy Sounds good, how are you setting them up? with pi?
[[Sat,16:50] <Malayopython> sorry for the spam, resolved the issue: meshchat wrote invalid (maybe my own faulty input was not properly validated) to the reticulum config file and this prevented the interface from coming up
[[Sat,19:11] <Guest> RNS 1.2.5 is out!
[[Sat,20:14] <laptop> @Malayopython follow my guide 6b05715f72c994c837fd6b6431caa9cf:/page/rnode.mu
[[Sat,20:16] <laptop> You may have to connect via BLE, gotta toggle BLE on first, then change the parameters to reflect the name of your rnode in your Bluetooth list.
[[Sat,20:49] <TelescopeTuna> Yeah, those spam calls all seems to be coming from d14f05add53c03486d6f869cda37afbf. Wonder what's up with that.
[[Sat,21:59] <Malayopython> @laptop thanks for the guide
[[Sat,22:01] <laptop> Did it work for you? Because I had a similar issue, and it worked for me.
[[Sat,22:02] <laptop> bluetooth
[[Sat,22:27] <laptop> Read the hashtags carefully, you will need to edit 4 x's (xxxx) and replace them with your rnode number (exp: A234, 456D, etc)
[[Sat,22:30] <laptop> After adding your rnode number, you copy the edited version of my Sideband section and dump it into the 'Advanced RNS Configuration', it should just work once you restart Sideband after pairing.
[[Sat,22:42] <laptop> If it doesn't, make sure your rnode configuration within Sideband itself -matches the 'RNodeInterface' you configured to your needs, say you added 433MHz instead of 915 as we do here in the states, that needs to be reflected in your rnode Sideband changes (Hardware > RNode).
[[Sat,22:54] <nu11_byt3r> I can't prove it yet but I believe there is someone attacking the mesh, spam calls aren't the only thing.
[[Sat,23:23] <laptop> Perhaps it's a spam bot? Also 'do not disturb' is clearly not working, I must have banished that ID like 10+ times now.
[[Sat,23:36] <nu11_byt3r> Ok that same address d14f05add53c03486d6f869cda37afbf is attacking phone calls and streaming radio anything that uses the streaming protocol.
[[Sat,23:49] <nu11_byt3r> Yeah I had to switch to contacts only and implement black holing in any applications I am working on.
[[Sat,23:50] <laptop> That's bot behavior, blackholed it, let's see if it works.
[[Sat,23:53] <nu11_byt3r> Yeah I am dumping packets and it is clearly automated.
[[Sun,00:04] <laptop> bbl
[[Sun,06:52] <Guest> test
[[Sun,07:22] <Guest> @OffGridRN Waveshare does not support LFP, only cells that like to explode
[[Sun,07:24] <Guest> Regarding spam calls - I simply don't announce and I don't get them. Using previous identities as soon as I opened an app it would announce and the retards would start calling
[[Sun,08:49] <NorthernIrelandGuy> @OffGridRN haven't done it yet but I was planning on making regular Rnodes where I can where I can convince people to set up little reticulum servers, and then use the micropython implemention in places where it has to be all self running.
[[Sun,08:51] <NorthernIrelandGuy> I still waiting to receive those btw, might take another week, They are just esp32s3's so you can flash them with a computer and a serial connection it's not too difficult given I'm a bit of linux nerd
[[Sun,10:58] <OffGridRN> @NorthernIrelandGuy I've been looking at micro reticulum and will try it on a heltec v4.
[[Sun,11:22] <Guest> S. E. X. With Animals!
[[Sun,11:23] <Guest> R A P E the Animals!
[[Sun,13:05] <Malayopython> @Guest don't be retarded
[[Sun,13:06] <Malayopython> @laptop i now have three working rnodes, everything fine
[[Sun,13:06] <Malayopython> gonna read your page again today later
[[Sun,13:07] <Guest> can't reach it atm eventhough it's only three hops
[[Sun,13:08] <Malayopython> last message was me, forgot to add my name
[[Sun,14:59] <laptop> sweet
[[Sun,15:04] <laptop> And for those of you who do not know how to blackhole the spambot ID, simply open up a terminal and type: rnpath -B d14f05add53c03486d6f869cda37afbf
[[Sun,15:05] <laptop> 'rnpath --help' for details
[[Sun,15:06] <laptop> Happy Mothers Day, ya'll.
[[Sun,15:59] <Partizanen> Yo nihao
[[Sun,17:32] <tor> Just an idea, but did anybody think about setting up an intentional red team for RNS?
[[Sun,17:32] <tor> Attacking RNS on purpose or an alternative testnet instead of waiting for it to happen might be smart
[[Sun,17:33] <tor> Combine that with publishing your findings. Then everyone works together to improve security
[[Sun,18:01] <cyberunit> Hello everybody from KHSLiveUSB 0.9
[[Sun,18:07] <Malayopython> amazing feeling to send secure encrypted communication over long distances without wifi or celular
[[Sun,18:51] <Classic> Hello everyone, reticulum is very awesome. Should I switch to microreticulum or use reticulum-rs/reviculum (rust implementations)?
[[Sun,18:53] <Classic> On meshchatX, everytime I add interfaces, it keeps crashing after each restart.
[[Sun,19:46] <nu11_byt3r> @tor, I have thought about it and am working on some software to do detections but haven't had the time to go full security on RNS.
[[Sun,19:59] <OffGridRN> I managed to install microreticulum on a heltec v4, but i'm not sure if its actually doing anything, is there a way to ping the device?
[[Sun,20:03] <Nakarado> Hellooo
[[Sun,21:39] <R0ni> @0ffGridRN hello, to be honest I haven't got my hands on a heltec yet; try to configure the frequency according to your region's standards and try pinging it over a gateway/transceiver (if you have one).
[[Sun,22:27] <R0ni> Speaking of gateways and transceivers, does anyone here knows what the hell are LoRaWAN protocols? such as Node-red, Tencent, and TTN??
[[Sun,22:46] <laptop> @R0ni https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=9H6GFXatOCY
[[Sun,22:46] <laptop> Not familiar with it, but this is a video about it
[[Sun,22:59] <laptop> I was familiar with TTN but I've been out of the loop with sensor stuff so it sounded unknown to me.
[[Mon,00:41] <oxodev> Hello! :3
[[Mon,01:11] <laptop> Hello, welcome.
[[Mon,03:36] <Guest> hey
[[Mon,06:05] <Guest> @Classic make sure you have shared instance turned on, otherwise it will crash because it can't use the node
[[Mon,06:06] <Guest> @classic enable it in your reticulum config
[[Mon,06:07] <DIESPAMMER> TYPE THIS INTO YOUR CONSOLE EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SPAMMED YET rnpath -B d14f05add53c03486d6f869cda37afbf
[[Mon,06:07] <DIESPAMMER> rnpath -B d14f05add53c03486d6f869cda37afbf
[[Mon,17:05] <Guest> yo
[[Mon,17:29] <Malayopython> i'm using sideband + columba on my phone with sideband being a shared reticulum instance. whenever i'm shutting down sideband, columba automatically spins up its own instance. can i change this behavior? i want to keep sideband as main reticulum shared instance even when it's turned off
[[Mon,20:58] <Guest> hi
[[Mon,21:01] <OZON> ПРивет чуваки!!!!
[[Mon,21:26] <Guest> hello what a fun
[[Mon,21:26] <Guest> would be nice if the return key would send the message though
[[Mon,21:30] <laptop> @Malayopython As to solutions, my guess is as good as yours, when you add an interface to Sideband, even if you added for example an RNode Multi Interface, as soon as you turn it off, it's off, it's independent of columba, so columba will naturally try to heal the connection. Check out RNode Multi Interface, maybe trying that from a different device. https://reticulum.network/manual/interfaces.html
[[Mon,21:31] <Guest> o melhor jogador de free fire 2
[[Mon,21:31] <Guest> o Nobre é bom
[[Mon,21:55] <laptop> hello to all, pryvit, hola, welcome.
[[Mon,22:59] <Malayopython> @laptop i guess it's columba's default behavior i'm complaining about. there is an argument to be made that columba should continue to "work" even when sideband is shut down. imo users who explicitly opt into using a shared instance (which is not the default, right?) are competent enough to understand why their columba instance stops working when killing sideband
[[Mon,22:59] <Malayopython> my initial idea was that i have both a custom backbone instance and an rnode i want to connect to, so i don't want to configure this in both columba and sideband. this is the reason i would like to have one shared instance i configure
[[Mon,23:17] <laptop> I don't use columba so I'm not familiar with it's settings, but if it has an independent Interface config, that's the solution there.
[[Mon,23:23] <laptop> You can have columba on mobile data and Sideband on LoRa.
[[Mon,23:59] <Malayopython> yes, but i want columba to inherit whatever reticulum configuration i do in sideband in order to have only one place where i need to make changes
[[Tue,01:25] <DougE> Hello!
[[Tue,01:36] <Guest> Is there a cli command which returns the local hash? For example if I am running nomadnet as a daemon or service on a remote headless server and need to find that node's id or destination.
[[Tue,04:32] <laptop> This may help. https://reticulum.network/manual/using.html#the-rnsh-utility
[[Tue,08:36] <zer0bitz> hello :)
[[Tue,12:44] <Guest> oi
[[Tue,13:38] <Guest> @Guest you can use rnid (pip install --break-system-packages rns) using -p (print identity), -i (specify identity file or hash) and -H aspect (kind of like a slug specifying the service you want)
[[Tue,13:39] <Malayopython> not sure which aspect to choose, didn't find good docs on that yet
[[Tue,13:49] <Malayopython> it seems like the best way of finding the right aspect is the source code: https://github.com/markqvist/NomadNet/blob/master/nomadnet/Directory.py#L39
[[Tue,13:50] <Malayopython> for a nomadnet site, use nomadnetwork.node as aspect. so the full command would be: rnid -i ~/.nomadnetwork/storage/identity -p -H nomadnetwork.node and it should print something like:
[[Tue,13:50] <Malayopython> Loaded Identity <d4b0f0b79620ede12605cae72e716cfb> from .nomadnetwork/storage/identity Identity Hash : <d4b0f0b79620ede12605cae72e716cfb> Public Key : f69fb6a932ff831c8b63a4a8627398b7e768bde7c4c14112164da76f0b787d47de1914fbe29a59f9cf99e08cbb0a56235e6c3187f55346de4a5676e0625611a3 Private Key : Hidden The nomadnetwork.node destination for this Identity is <6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c> The full destination specifier is <nomadnetwork.node.d4b0f0b79620ede12605cae72e716cfb:6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c>
[[Tue,13:51] <Malayopython> feel free to visit my site ;-)
[[Tue,14:05] <Malayopython> the destination hash for the nomadnet site in the above output would be 6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c, so the site is at 6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c:/page/index.mu
[[Tue,14:09] <Malayopython> does anyone actually know who's running this chat?
[[Tue,14:15] <Malayopython> i published a blog article on my site documenting some common aspects @Guest
[[Tue,15:06] <anon> hi
[[Tue,15:07] <anon> is there anyone here?
[[Tue,15:08] <anon> is there any option to not scroll to start on every message?
[[Tue,15:09] <anon> and maybe not not reload page on every send
[[Tue,19:13] <Search> Thanks for all the help on getting the identity
[[Tue,19:47] <Malayopython> hope it helps, i'm still learning myself
[[Tue,19:48] <Search> That was exactly what I was looking for.
[[Tue,19:49] <Guest> happy to hear
[[Tue,19:51] <Malayopython> last comment was me im retarded
[[Tue,22:04] <laptop> @Malayopython Frank runs this chat. https://github.com/fr33n0w
[[Tue,22:05] <laptop> He developed it. https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[Tue,22:58] <DougE> Hello
[[Tue,23:20] <Nakarado> Hi
[[Wed,03:50] <Rotalus> Hello world
[[Wed,04:01] <laptop> Hello new people.
[[Wed,04:50] <Guest> hi
[[Wed,04:50] <Florida_man> anyone here
[[Wed,05:11] <Rotalus> Exploring the net but i bookmarked the site
[[Wed,07:14] <Nyla> Helo
[[Tue,13:08] <Guest> Hey this working.
[[Tue,15:43] <TheSatano> Seems to be working
[[Tue,15:46] <TheSatano> Want to ride a horse, mg42 in hand, my eyes and tongue like a snails, screetching, and let the cars be blowned to pieces, yeeeah.
[[Tue,15:47] <TheSatano> The mumble like a crazed madman, and pierce the womb of the very Sun by a blackhole-generating phallic-shaped spaceship.
[[Tue,23:11] <PRN-555> Hello everyone
[[Tue,23:12] <System> PRN-555 has joined The Chat Room!
[[Wed,13:02] <Eqls> Guys I think we are on to something with this reticulum thing. Was told LoRa is only for basic messages over meshtastic/meshcore, but this seems..something else and not limited to LoRa..
[[Wed,14:21] <Guest> You can even view nomadnet sites over Lora with Reticulum.
[[Wed,15:44] <Guest> hi
[[Wed,15:44] <Guest> can i build an invite only bbs system?
[[Wed,15:45] <Guest> or even a forum like this for private use? all the ones i find are all open. i have secrets to keep
[[Wed,19:16] <welo> that's the repo, go mad https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[Wed,19:17] <welo> idk if you actually can make a private one
[[Wed,19:17] <welo> hey you can be the first man
[[Wed,21:08] <Guest> for privacy, just use meshchat messages not a forum. Forums should be to share info with general public without disclosing your identity unless you want to
[[Wed,22:31] <yspc> ping
[[Thu,05:26] <laptop> test
[[Thu,05:48] <zer0bitz> morning
[[Thu,05:57] <laptop> ey man
[[Thu,09:43] <Guest> pong
[[Thu,13:23] <Guest> Hello!
[[Thu,16:03] <Tasty> Meowdy testing
[[Thu,16:17] <Spiral> /slap
[[Thu,16:19] <Spiral> Spiral slaps 💬 THE CHAT ROOM! 💬 around a bit with a large trout. ;)
[[Thu,16:19] <Guest> RNS 1.3.0 is out.
[[Thu,16:22] <Guest> https://youtu.be/C8fya54Bmoc?si=wSEYg4W2YuWe6O13
[[Thu,19:39] <ArchUser> Пииивеет пивет всем, васяяяя вииии
[[Thu,19:41] <ArchUser> Пииивеет пивет всем, васяяяя вииии
[[Fri,02:13] <Guest> is it a live trout?
[[Fri,11:51] <Hey> Hello everyone
[[Fri,13:01] <Guest> hui
[[Fri,13:37] <Guest1> hi all
[[Fri,18:12] <Guest> test from reticulum mobile! search it on github!
[[Fri,18:13] <Guest> its amazing!
[[Fri,18:45] <Funny> What is happening in here. I wonder if I could connect to this over lora
[[Fri,18:46] <Funny> We need more reticulum for ios
[[Fri,20:36] <Guest> yes funny, you can
[[Fri,20:37] <Guest> try reticulum mobile on github, it semms to be also for ios
[[Fri,20:37] <Guest> ahooo c staj?
[[Sat,00:09] <PigPork> Yes, yes, my child. Your brother tastes like cocoa. Haha, cocoa. Mulnip, the monkey gave a piece of his torn body. And I liked it. I likkkkkked it. Hehehe. *SWAT noises*
[[Sat,07:27] <spider> Nice to see you all!
[[Sat,14:50] <gasoline> what's up fellas, i have just gotten a second rnode working now, and so i can actually connect to the nomadnet over LoRa amazing
[[Sat,15:30] <Guest> this is my other one, connected to nomadnet over lora, pretty neat. all i need now is a friend i can convince that this is actually cool and they should run an rnode also
[[Sat,22:22] <Guest> Hi to all
[[Sat,22:24] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Guest: Weather in athens: 23.6C, Mainly clear
[[Sun,00:42] <Guest> Howdy
[[Sun,00:47] <Guest> If I'm understanding Reticulum, could I something without internet to connect here? I'm kinda confused on that part. Could I use LoRa or a Ham radio and connect here?
[[Sun,05:43] <Guest> If you can connect to a node some place.
[[Sun,05:47] <Guest> And that node is attached to the network in some way. If you are far off grid, you could setup nodes along the path to the nearest node that you can make the connection. Solar would be needed, maybe.
[[Sun,06:56] <Guest> 6a100bfcef4f912d2cbd74651e599829:/page/index.mu
[[Sun,08:34] <Polygon> A live trout?
[[Sun,10:47] <OffGridRN> @Guest Yeah, if you have for example a pizero connected to the internet, you could use your lora device from afar with no internet to connect to here
[[Sun,11:38] <Polygon> Installed MicroReticulum today
[[Sun,11:48] <Polygon> Use as a outside bridge to another house 2km away
[[Sun,14:22] <OffGridRN> @Polygon Which firmware was it? How was the set up?
[[Sun,14:31] <NightFlyr> good am from Virginia
[[Sun,16:39] <Guest> https://lucasalbr.blogspot.com/2026/05/a-rede-sem-servidor-que-comunica-por.html?m=1
[[Sun,18:11] <Guest> we pazz
[[Sun,18:13] <Guest> ararara
[[Sun,18:14] <Guest> eccomi
[[Sun,18:14] <GuestPazzone> trovato
[[Sun,18:15] <Guest> yeah
[[Sun,18:15] <Guest> perfietto
[[Sun,20:26] <qguest> woah wowza cool chat
[[Mon,04:02] <Guest> Sup BOYZZZZ!!!!
[[Mon,04:04] <Newest_Guest> @Guest yes, that's the beauty of Reticulum. You can connect to the greater network through MANET, HAM, LoRa, LAN, ETH whatever. So long as you can connect to another node which has access to the greater network you're GRAVY!
[[Mon,06:17] <Howdy_Guest> Thanks for you comment! I've spent all day trying to figure out how to get Rnode on a Xiao_NRF board lol.
[[Mon,08:04] <Polygon> @OffGridRN I meant RTNode. Transport mode. https://github.com/jrl290/RTNode-HeltecV4
[[Mon,08:06] <Polygon> Supports Heltec v3 which I'm using with a moxon at my end and an omni at my friends house.
[[Mon,08:21] <Polygon> RTNode connects to WiFi at each end, routing RNS traffic.
[[Mon,08:22] <Polygon> RTNode connects to WiFi at each end, routing LoRa RNS traffic standalone, just needs power.
[[Mon,12:05] <Guest_of_one> o//
[[Tue,02:42] <Arcade> Howdy! How are y'all?
[[Tue,02:43] <Polygon> @Arcade I be good!
[[Tue,07:18] <Guest> hello guys.
[[Tue,09:42] <vax1> hello
[[Tue,17:32] <Пртрп> Риити
[[Wed,06:59] <Guest> hello
[[Wed,07:00] <Guest> is the source/git repo of this site available somewhere?
[[Wed,07:01] <Guest> oh found it https://github.com/fr33n0w/thechatroom
[[Wed,07:22] <Luxy> How are we people i be new to reticulum
[[Wed,09:24] <gasoline> i am pretty good how are you luxy?
[[Wed,14:03] <OffGridRN> @Luxy Doing well, how's everyone today?
[[Wed,19:54] <Malayopython> guess who's back
[[Wed,19:57] <Malayopython> @OffGridRN doing good, it's summer and i have three rnodes - what more could i wish for?
[[Thu,07:34] <Malayopython> anyone here running RNodes in Germany? what exact frequencies and other settings are you using? would be great to be compatible
[[Thu,09:43] <V> I think on the reticulum git there is a reference of most common RNode configurations
[[Thu,11:01] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython A 4th node! Btw what TX power you using?
[[Thu,11:11] <Guest> check https://rmap.world for the local node position guys!
[[Thu,16:13] <Malayopython> @OffGridRN my current configuration:
[[Thu,16:13] <Malayopython> RNode LoRa Interface]] type = RNodeInterface enabled = yes port = /dev/serial/by-id/<DEVICE_ID> frequency = 869525000 bandwidth = 250000 txpower = 14 spreadingfactor = 11 codingrate = 5 airtime_limit_long = 10.0 airtime_limit_short = 10.0
[[Thu,16:14] <Malayopython> sorry for the messy format, is there anything i can improve? is this legal? i am aiming more for range than bandwidth
[[Thu,16:22] <Malayopython> on that note, why can't i see my own node on rmap.world @Guest? i have an enabled BackboneInterface listening on 0.0.0.0:4242 with discoverable = yes and a custom discovery_name - what's missing?
[[Thu,16:31] <Malayopython> i am behind a firewall but that shouldn't be an issue, right?
[[Thu,18:44] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython With the RAK I set the TX power to 27 and so far it's working ok.
[[Thu,18:48] <Malayopython> @OffGridRN I am still new to RNodes, is TX power just dBm?
[[Thu,21:36] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython Yes, dBm is the unit that represents transmit power.
[[Thu,22:00] <Malayopython> so with a heltec v4 i can go up to 27/28 dBm just like that? eats more battery but i'll try it out
[[Fri,02:18] <retty_man-898989> Hello from Southern California. I few days ago, there was a backbone connection in LAX at the address lax.us.thunderhost.net:4242 but it seems to have either gone offline or changed the port? Either way, it was useful to have and now it's gone as of today it seems... anyone know what's up with that or the best place to ask and find out?
[[Fri,06:55] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython I haven't tried a heltec yet but I set a tbeam to 27 but got a 'mismatch error', only got to 18 for it.
[[Fri,07:42] <Polygon> Good to see the RNS LoRa learning curve in action!
[[Fri,11:27] <Malayopython> yes, very interesting - anyone here with a radio license using reticulum on regulated frequencies?
[[Fri,13:46] <Malayopython> and another question, sorry for the spam: there is the "official" rnode firmware by markqvist and there is the CE version - which one should i use for compiling and installing the firmware? markqvist's repo points to the CE version, the CE version has much more commits but its latest release is much older than markqvist's. are changes from CE backported to the upstream repo by mark?
[[Fri,14:52] <V> Hello! did you know Columba has now NomadNet browsing capabilities? I am sending this from Columba!
[[Fri,14:53] <V> Is anyone aware of a microbloging-ish platform powered by reticulum? things I crave but I cant stand current internet...
[[Fri,14:54] <Malayopython> shameless plug: 6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c:/page/index.mu
[[Fri,14:54] <Malayopython> if you know basic shell scripting you can make your own blog pretty easily
[[Fri,15:31] <zer0bitz> i built a "server-rack" of a old cabinet and made a blog post :P feel free to read here: https://zer0bitz.dy.fi/blog/post/i-built-a-budget-diy-server-rack-out-of-an-old-cabinet
[[Fri,16:37] <OffGridRN> Nice blogs. I got some free computer hardware that was being thrown out, wondering what to do ith it, maybe a home server, never tried it before.
[[Fri,17:07] <Malayopython> it's a deep rabbit hole my friend
[[Fri,17:07] <Malayopython> best way to learn
[[Fri,18:32] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython Reticulum has been a great learning experience.
[[Fri,19:27] <Malayopython> definitely - but it's much more than that - it's resilience
[[Fri,20:07] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython True, I can see Reticulum becoming much more popular with the way things are going.
[[Fri,22:55] <V> I guess the issue I have is... instead of a central server that acts as a hub like this one, I want something that each peer runs and we can aggregate and navigate the others running this same app; for example, the twtxt project could be one to be easily ported to rns, and I am considering doing exactly that
[[Fri,22:56] <V> speaking of decentralizing stuff, does anyone knows how to use rngit? We can start a node but I have no clue how to push/pull on it
[[Sat,03:17] <laptop> test
[[Sat,07:06] <Malayopython> @V have not tested rngit yet
[[Sat,07:07] <Malayopython> i have a couple coding ideas myself for reticulum, need to make free time for it though
[[Sat,13:27] <MrRobot> Hey all.
[[Sat,15:47] <Malayopython> hey @MrRobot, what are you doing here?
[[Sat,15:50] <Malayopython> does anyone know why MeshChat (ReticulumMeshChat-v2.3.0-linux.AppImage) breaks when opening the network visualizer? the app doesn't crash entirely but needs to be restarted because nothing loads after clicking "Network Visualizer"
[[Sat,17:56] <Malayopython> now it also doesn't show my interfaces as up anymore. the app still works but does not show any interfaces to be up, rnstatus does show the correct output
[[Sun,02:37] <Blastertoad> Any recommended reticulum apps. Using meshchatx to hit top link. Will be setting up lab and ordering equipment to start testing reticulum dev next week
[[Sun,02:58] <V> @Blastertoad I am quite partial of Columba! LXMF, NomadNet browsing, and BLE Interface!
[[Sun,03:42] <Blastertoad> @V I have heard of Columbia,rest seam to be mainstays of network. Was hoping to see different use case apps beyond coms or text sites. Finding it difficult to navigate nomadnet as site name are often non descriptive and lots of placeholder or hello world type pages
[[Sun,03:59] <laptop> @Blastertoad https://github.com/lorien/awesome-reticulum
[[Sun,08:25] <Blastertoad> Thanks
[[Sun,11:54] <Guest> wow cool setup!
[[Sun,11:55] <Guest> Mreeeeeoooow!
[[Sun,12:27] <V> @Blastertoad there are some search/indexes sites, like Waystone and some others
[[Sun,14:23] <Malayopython> for example i found this: 47850a3b99243cfb1147e8856bab2691:/page/index.mu
[[Sun,15:10] <Guest> test
[[Sun,21:39] <Guest> Testing nick from identification
[[Sun,21:40] <V> weird
[[Sun,21:40] <V> Besides NomadIndex there is Roogle, funny name
[[Sun,22:24] <WRKU839> Hey all from NW Tennessee
[[Sun,23:44] <Dummy> Oh shit, this works?
[[Mon,02:14] <V> @Dummy yeah! we got client-server communication pretty nailed down 😁
[[Mon,09:12] <Malayopython> @V only took us about 40 years
[[Mon,16:40] <Dema8_ElSheikh> Greetings from Sinai, does anyone here know how to configure VSAT connections for Reticulum?
[[Mon,18:31] <Malayopython> @Dema8_ElSheikh i don't but are you really from the biblical place sinai?
[[Mon,21:35] <Guest> hello from Romania!
[[Mon,22:32] <nabbaccio> Hello guys
[[Tue,00:45] <WRKU839> Hello all
[[Tue,00:45] <Kf0fyc> Greeting from KS
[[Tue,03:42] <laptop> Can't run two clients on the same machine anymore, is this a new thing or does it have a fix?
[[Tue,03:43] <laptop> I mean they run, but not properly.
[[Tue,03:52] <zer0bitz> morning all :P
[[Tue,04:00] <laptop> ey man
[[Tue,05:13] <woody> good morning @all
[[Tue,06:51] <V> @laptop cant run two clients of what?
[[Tue,07:09] <Dema8_ElSheikh> @Malayopython Not originally though, but Sinai is home to me. Thank you for asking. Sometimes my coverage drops, So I hoped that VSAT could work as well as a TCP or KISS interface.
[[Tue,07:35] <Dema8_ElSheikh> Oh yeah, and Happy Eid everyone :)
[[Tue,10:23] <JJP> Greeting Earthlings!
[[Tue,12:20] <Malayopython> @laptop what kind of clients are you referring to? running two instances of rnsd causes the second one to attach to the first master, this works as expected for me and prints: Started rnsd version 1.3.4 connected to another shared local instance, this is probably NOT what you want!
[[Tue,12:20] <Malayopython> works on my machine TM
[[Tue,12:28] <Malayopython> or are you referring to running two independent master instances? please elaborate
[[Tue,13:28] <Dema8_ElSheikh> Can someone explain to me how shared instances work on RNS? In this case for running two clients on the same machine with diff identities.
[[Tue,13:50] <Malayopython> not sure but i think the master instance owns some resources like radio equipment (?) so running two independent rnsd instances might be difficult in some circumstances (correct me if i am wrong here)
[[Tue,13:51] <Malayopython> but it's totally possible to connect multiple programs (like nomadnet or lxmd) to your master rnsd instance and they can all have different instances
[[Tue,13:51] <Malayopython> identities*, typo
[[Tue,13:54] <Malayopython> for development work i have a similar situation atm where i would like to have two independent rnsd instances on the same machine (cgroup linux routing magic) but i didn't go into it yet
[[Tue,14:06] <Malayopython> maybe stuffing one rnsd instance into a docker container is the easiest way for my usecase idk
[[Tue,15:07] <laptop> Before I ran nomadnet and meshchat just fine, now I run nomadnet and every interface on meschat appears disconnected, but it somehow miraculously still works, only I dunno if I'm even receiving messages via lxmf.
[[Tue,15:11] <laptop> 'sending failed' promp pops up when i send a message, but the message actually makes it through somehow
[[Tue,15:32] <Malayopython> @laptop ah yes i have the same issue
[[Tue,15:33] <Malayopython> i am using meshchat right now but is shows all interfaces as down
[[Tue,15:33] <Malayopython> rnstatus shows them as up
[[Tue,15:33] <Malayopython> also, if i select the network visualiser the whole application breaks and needs to be restarted
[[Tue,15:34] <Malayopython> didn't notice the issue with messages yet but it says 'sending failed' for me too
[[Tue,15:36] <Malayopython> meshchat shows EOFError tracebacks (Error handling request from 127.0.0.1) in the terminal, maybe related?
[[Tue,15:37] <Malayopython> maybe a recent rnsd update broke something?
[[Tue,15:49] <laptop> I thought perhaps it was something in the nomadnet config itself but I dunno realy.
[[Tue,17:32] <OffgridRN> Quick question. Do you think the TP-Link outdoor routers would be a good idea for Reticulum? Or PirateBox (never tried yet) for long range comms? Apparently it has 5km range, probably way less than that though.
[[Tue,18:05] <nu11_byt3r> While technically you need a license, AREDN is an option.
[[Tue,18:05] <nu11_byt3r> https://www.arednmesh.org/
[[Tue,18:25] <OffgridRN> Didn't realise a license was needed, I thought it was just a 2.4ghz wifi router
[[Tue,18:51] <nu11_byt3r> Yeah the firmware runs the radios in the 13 centimeter band.
[[Tue,18:57] <OffGridRN> @nu11_byt3r Ah I see, I thought you meant I needed a license for a wifi router outdoor, the glass of wine I had was too much I think lol. But AREDN does look interesting, thanks.
[[Tue,19:06] <nu11_byt3r> Oh gotcha no it runs on several off the shelf wifi devices.
[[Tue,19:36] <zeno> running reticulum and creating links/paths to route RNS over are really two different things. Just about any link you can make, especially if it is stable is a good link. Hardware to run RNS at the end of that link is sometimes more power than just the link
[[Tue,19:38] <zeno> If you lived on a farm with a long driveway if you could make a link work over the barbed wire going down your driveway to a LoRA + RNS node at your mailbox you could drive an LXMF rprop node on the paper boy's bike to connect the neighborhood
[[Tue,19:59] <Guest> /list
[[Tue,23:21] <laptop> PirateBox talk lxmf: 32703ab3d8ef290d190411b3a3c559c4
[[Tue,23:22] <laptop> they took their site down (piratebox.cc) a while back now
[[Wed,00:03] <laptop> Shareboxx, emptybox, those are similar, it was a fun offline project, but hardly anyone uses free wifi anymore unless it's work related or universities.
[[Wed,02:04] <Ved> Anyone playing with reticulum and VHF / UHF radios like baofeng uv5r or quasheng k5 k6 ?
[[Wed,07:51] <OffGridRN> I thought the outdoor wifi would be good way to get people to use reticulum, maybe change the router name, access piratebox then reticulum, maybe maybe.
[[Wed,11:49] <Ved> actually over UHF, VHF or HF can cover much higher distances.
[[Wed,11:51] <Ved> check The tech Prepper on Youtube to take a glance. Will check for the piratebox...
[[Wed,13:38] <nu11_byt3r> @Ved I know there are at least one HF node I see on advertised on Columba.
[[Thu,02:37] <Guest> If anyone is interested there is now an Android RT radio client, https://codeberg.org/kraven/rt_radio/releases
[[Thu,11:52] <Guest> where to find RRC hub addrs?
[[Thu,13:47] <nu11_byt3r> The RRC client will auto discover them.
[[Thu,19:10] <V> this radio client is broken on my end, crashes at start
[[Thu,19:14] <Guest> The android or linux client?
[[Thu,19:43] <Guest> @V I released a debug version that should produce a crash file, if you want to ping me on chat with the output I can take a look.
[[Thu,19:43] <Guest> 5c1a58fdd3c3f29d84f9d9d6b4328d19
[[Thu,21:25] <MM> I'm trying out the Android version of rt-radio. After adding two interfaces, it just crashes at startup. Love the idea though! =)
[[Thu,22:06] <Guest> @MM the 0.6.6 version adds in a crash report if you want to share that with me at the above address I can take a look.
[[Fri,01:34] <laptop> piratebox related https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=3sYP19Ts48w
[[Fri,03:45] <ThirdForce> honestly for my area im going to start with a tcp hub and expand to other transport mediums from there. im thinking tcp>i2p>Lora>uhf/hf>long range p2p dishes
[[Fri,09:07] <OffGridRN> @ThirdForce I'm looking to place a Transport node on a nearby hill, just need to do a few more tests first.
[[Fri,13:11] <Malayopython> @ThirdForce I'm doing the same thing, I have a VM connecting to lots of backbones and a VPN to connect all other nodes to that single backbone VM
[[Fri,16:03] <Josef> hi everybody...
[[Fri,17:58] <Guest> Hello
[[Fri,18:50] <Malayopython> hello fellow autistic homies
[[Fri,20:47] <nu11_byt3r> Hey @Malayopython
[[Fri,21:18] <Tukan> hello here, I'm new. What's the mood around here ?
[[Fri,22:53] <Guest> Just put out a early version of Meshy Browser, built on Rust and uses the Rust port of reticulum to browser rwebserver sites.
[[Fri,22:54] <Guest> https://codeberg.org/kraven/meshy-browser-webkit if you are interested.
[[Sat,02:02] <AnotherGuest> nice chat you have here! hello from Berlin, Germany! <3
[[Sat,06:26] <Vih> Trying out to setup a private chat room for myself with partials, cant get it to work for nothing, but if I run the script it outputs normally... any clue what I might be doing wrong?
[[Sat,06:48] <Dema8_Elsheikh> Hello good morning/evening everyone, I just reinstalled Meshchat and wanted to try something new and different. I have checked https://awesome-reticulum.net/ and not sure what to start with first - like replacing my RNS implementation or trying out new transport node types (I'm currently using TCP).
[[Sat,06:54] <Dema8_Elsheikh> @ThirdForce You know how you would implement P2P dishes over long range coms?
[[Sat,09:21] <AnotherGuest> nice chat you have here! hello from Berlin, Germany! <3
[[Sat,10:14] <Dema8_Elsheikh> @AnotherGuest Servus!
[[Sat,13:12] <Guester> Hello
[[Sat,13:27] <Guester> What is the difference between a TCPClientInterface and a BackboneInterface?
[[Sat,14:11] <Guest> The Backbone Interface is fully compatible with the TCPServerInterface and TCPClientInterface types, and they can be used interchangably, and cross-connect with each other. On systems that support BackboneInterface, it is generally recommended to use it, unless you need specific options or features that the TCP server and client interfaces provide.
[[Sat,14:12] <Guest> The Backbone interface is a very fast and resource efficient interface type, primarily intended for interconnecting Reticulum instances over many different types of mediums. It uses a kernel-event I/O backend, and can handle thousands of interfaces and/or clients with relatively low system resource utilisation. This interface type is currently only supported on Linux and Android.
[[Sat,14:33] <kraven> Testing+meshy+browser+nomad+feature.
[[Sat,14:33] <kraven> Boo
[[Sat,14:37] <Malayopython> @Guester as i understand it, TCPClientInterface is an inferior version of BackboneInterface which is used on Android devices (among others) where BackboneInterface doesn't work
[[Sat,14:37] <kraven> Hey room
[[Sat,14:38] <Malayopython> should have read the rest before replying, @Guest gave a perfect description, sorry
[[Sat,14:38] <Malayopython> hey @kraven
[[Sat,14:41] <kraven> @Malayopython how the day going?
[[Sat,14:50] <Guest> Get some Vibe -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NfyZhV1dKM
[[Sat,14:53] <kraven> Boo
[[Sat,14:54] <kraven> Sorry duplicate message @Guest not the Vibe :)
[[Sat,15:10] <Malayopython> @Guest for all those banned by youtube: https://invidio.us/watch?v=7NfyZhV1dKM
[[Sat,15:14] <Malayopython> this is fucking cursed
[[Sat,16:09] <Guest0> ive never seen anything more slop than this
[[Sat,16:31] <Malayopython> gigaslop
[[Sat,16:31] <Malayopython> guys i finally fworinished my trash java homework, now i can do fun things!!
[[Sat,16:32] <Malayopython> guys i finally finished my trash java homework, now i can do fun things!!
[[Sat,16:32] <Malayopython> don't know what happened there
[[Sat,17:13] <Guest> microReticulum_Firmware 1.86.2 is out. Integrates latest, Adds single-page web console for administering microReticulum nodes (as well as RNodes)microReticulum with several fixes and enhancements, Introduces new Provisioning system from microReticulum for managing configuration,Add NomadNet status pages for microReticulum transport nodes and support added for Lilygo T-Echo.
[[Sat,17:27] <kraven> @Guest I have been looking to use microReticulum how is it going for you?
[[Sat,18:45] <Guest> @kraven I'm waiting for the power management and sleep mode a microreticulum to be ready to make solar node.
[[Sat,19:50] <Vih> I am setting up a blog! If someone wanna check out: 217a6cfc5b7a36943a3f062a83990b1a]
[[Sat,20:51] <kraven> @Vih Good start.
[[Sun,00:31] <Guest> hi
[[Sun,01:10] <Jeff> Hello all from London
[[Sun,01:11] <Guest> Test
[[Sun,01:28] <liz> l am from china
[[Sun,01:32] <Guest> Hello to London and China! California, here!
[[Sun,03:47] <s1lver_1ce> yo
[[Sun,03:58] <Guest> Yo.
[[Sun,07:36] <Guest> Good Morning !
[[Sun,08:22] <liz> Good afternoon!😄
[[Sun,11:41] <liz> my address〈d29d4397ff471ba23a8e98e53c74040f〉stop by and say hello
[[Sun,13:01] <redirect> 1042
[[Sun,14:30] <kraven> @Guest, I will be interested to hear how it goes.
[[Sun,16:38] <kraven> Good morning, afternoon and in case I don't see ya evening Mesh.
[[Mon,09:19] <System> Komodo has joined The Chat Room!
[[Mon,09:28] <System> Komodo has joined The Chat Room!
[[Mon,12:22] <bigV> good evening, from a flight from London to Tokyo. Testing various Reticulum things.
[[Mon,12:38] <vvv> Good Afternoon, just started reticulum + rbrowser, how is the lora coverage in the UK ? is there a native browser android app?
[[Mon,13:39] <liz> 😄😄
[[Mon,13:44] <liz> @vvv You can check out rmap.world.
[[Mon,18:50] <yaya> hi
[[Tue,05:24] <System> noxv has joined The Chat Room!
[[Tue,05:25] <noxv> hi from i2p
[[Tue,05:27] <anon> hi all
[[Tue,12:24] <Nabbaccio> hello everyone from mediterranean zone.
[[Tue,12:49] <laptop> @vvv Columba app, but rBrowser works on android fine.
[[Tue,13:01] <absc> hello
[[Tue,16:50] <Jenn> Hi everyone! New to reticulum. From Nv,USA
[[Tue,16:52] <Jenn> Hi everyone! New to reticulum. From Nv,USA
[[Tue,17:13] <Guest> Hello @Jenn
[[Tue,21:39] <Guest> Hey @Jenn! How you enjoying that NV freedom?! =)
[[Wed,08:27] <p1ld7a> Hello from Belgium!
[[Wed,10:03] <sahelantrop1222> greetings from Russia :))
[[Wed,14:38] <Guest> Hello, Belgium! Hello, Russia! =)
[[Wed,15:32] <Guest> hello Russia
[[Wed,17:35] <Guest> Hello from Spain! This is my first message in Reticulum Network
[[Wed,17:47] <Jenn> Can't complain :3
[[Wed,17:51] <Guest> @Jenn =) Love Nevada law. At least for now. Lol!
[[Wed,19:48] <MM> What's everyone getting into today?
[[Thu,17:07] <Tony> Hello
[[Thu,21:21] <MM> Hey @Tony.
[[Thu,21:49] <Malayopython> damn lots of new people, hello all
[[Thu,21:59] <Malayopython> i have a setup with an android phone using sideband + rnode interface + tcp interface (called A) to mediate between an rnode-only device (debian, called B) and a backboneinterface-only device (debian, called C). i have another backboneinterface machine in my local network (called D) that all internet-connected devices have knowledge of and access to. when connecting both debian machines B and C to the internet (and thus D), they can communicate fine but when i connect B to an rnode only, the throughput goes down dramatically. i expected it to dynamically route packets over A, find D and use D as "rendez vous point" to talk to C. having much less throughput is to be expected. but i am getting almost no link establishment using the RNS python library at all. both rnodes have the same settings and A and D are transport nodes. i am occasionally getting a link established but very seldom. isn't the RNS package written so that the same code using it supports rnode and tcp connections?
[[Thu,22:01] <Malayopython> sorry for the spam just asking for similar experiences
[[Thu,22:46] <Malayopython> just switched from mesh chat to mesh chat x, the issue i had with unreliable behavior or the app is likely because i ran an external rnsd instance - i thought this would be expected
[[Thu,23:42] <Colubrid01> i got meshchat x on my phone
[[Fri,02:07] <laptop> @Malayopython check if you set a high 'discovery_stamp_value' and remove it even, try adding "configured_bitrate = None","mode = Full", and "prefer_ipv6 = True", that may help, though I'm no expert admittedly. Maybe someone else here has a better idea.
[[Fri,03:19] <teeheehee123> how is columba supposed to allow one to use or browse nomadnet sites?
[[Fri,03:28] <laptop> @teeheehee123 Contacts > Network > Sites (unselect Peers to see only Sites)
[[Fri,03:54] <laptop> Maybe 'prefer_ipv6 = True' isn't such a great idea after all, from what I'm hearing. I may try a different config soon.
[[Fri,05:32] <Guest> Hello anyone here
[[Fri,05:32] <Guest> I am new to rns
[[Fri,05:40] <laptop> Hello, welcome.
[[Fri,05:50] <MM> Welcome!
[[Fri,12:11] <Malayopython> @laptop thanks for the ideas, i will try it as soon as i have time. i thought that maybe usage levels might interfer with data transfer because one rnode has 10% short and long term limit and the other (using sideband) seems to not be able to retain that setting...
[[Fri,13:39] <Warp> hello from germany :)
[[Fri,14:10] <Warp> how is everyone doing?
[[Fri,14:17] <Malayopython> doing good, where in germany
[[Fri,14:21] <Reticulous> Greetings from one of the earliest sessions from the Reticulous browser.
[[Fri,14:27] <Warp> North Rhine-Westphalia
[[Fri,14:35] <Reticulous> Now from the T-Deck's LCD
[[Fri,14:39] <Warp> i was checking out the T-Deck today in a youtube video. i am new to all of this. first i checcked out meshtastic then i found reticulum and more specifically meshchat
[[Fri,15:30] <laptop> @Malayopython 2 things, you can remove airtime (unless there's someone hogging the link, but on a local network it's not necessary) and check the txpower as well, oversaturation can make it difficult to reach others, if it's a local network (like inside your room) -anywhere between 2-4 dBm is fine (heltec v3 tests), 22 for exp is way too much, and 14 dBm is a good reach for several streets down.
[[Fri,15:40] <laptop> And of course, on your side of the world txpower may be regulated differently.
[[Fri,17:24] <Malayopython> is high txpower actually detrimental on close ranges? i have been testing on my desk with maybe a meter distance and 27dBm... did i officially fry my brain?
[[Fri,17:40] <laptop> It's not about your brain really, but the other radios receiver, it overloads the signal so you can't send anything.
[[Fri,22:23] <Guest> --------------->
[[Fri,22:24] <Guest> KI11UrMACHINE
[[Sat,00:03] <Malayopython> no, i love my puter, all my friends are in my puter!
[[Sat,01:48] <Cdn> In Canada by law we are turning into a dictorship, the mayor's now have full Vito power over everything, in the us most critical services website been switched to controlled by office of the president like passport.gov
[[Sat,02:26] <laptop> God willing, things will be better for Canada soon.
[[Sat,02:55] <jalpeno> dHow is it going world
[[Sat,06:06] <noxv> hi how are you today ?
[[Sat,06:31] <Warp> hello everyone
[[Sat,06:46] <Guest> Hey
[[Sat,07:01] <Josef> hi there everybody
[[Sat,08:55] <guest> /users guest
[[Sat,08:55] <System> guest has joined The Chat Room!
[[Sat,08:56] <guest> Hello
[[Sat,09:10] <Warp> hi
[[Sat,10:27] <Guest> Does anyone know about a good RRC hub?
[[Sat,13:08] <noxv> no sorry but the chat room is cool whatever
[[Sun,00:27] <JustAReminder> People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.
[[Sun,02:15] <laptop> Anyone interested in html sites over rns?
[[Sun,05:30] <Guest> html + JS no privacy
[[Sun,06:49] <Guest> i'm interested in rnode lora devices , particularly stand alone / robust . is there anything ?
[[Sun,07:22] <Guest> T-deck -> https://github.com/ratspeak/rsDeck/
[[Sun,07:47] <Guest> how can one participate in this using a tdeck? I mean specifically browsing reticulum web pages/websites/chats like this one
[[Sun,08:15] <Colubrid01> @laptop a proxy would be nice to expose arbitrary sites over nomadnet. html support sounds reasonable. doesn't mesh chat x support html, markdown and micron?
[[Sun,10:08] <Warp> what you all doing today?
[[Sun,10:56] <OffGridRN> @Warp Cutting grass :)
[[Sun,11:41] <Malayopython> school BS :-(
[[Sun,11:43] <Malayopython> fucking annoying when you have a hobby project and every time you think you finally got time, something important pops up
[[Sun,11:43] <Malayopython> but that's life
[[Sun,12:14] <Malayopython> @Guest i would be interested in standalone rnodes, too, but atm i have three that connect to the controlling device via usb / bluetooth. works, fine, i'll probably put one on my roof together with a raspberry pi zero as controller
[[Sun,12:29] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython I've been testing the transport firmware from atterman and so far it's working well, soon I'm gonna make a solar node from it.
[[Sun,12:38] <Malayopython> sounds interesting but i'm not sure how development works for such a fork: do they pull changes from upstream or is it an entirely self-contained project? because security and feature wise, fragmented development without pulling from upstream seems sketchy to me
[[Sun,12:41] <Malayopython> furthermore, i would like to bridge IP traffic (from my basement machine) and RNode traffic (from my roof machine) - this seems like it's not supported with attermann's firmware because it's strictly transport with only LoRa, correct?
[[Sun,14:28] <Guest> Morning all
[[Sun,14:33] <Warp> hello Guest
[[Sun,14:33] <Guest> If you want seemless browsing of RNS html and micron sites with server discovery you can try https://codeberg.org/kraven/meshy-browser-webkit
[[Sun,14:44] <OffGridRN> @Malayopython I believe so.
[[Sun,15:23] <laptop> Well there are stand alone RNode projects, https://github.com/strijar/RNS-Gate
[[Sun,15:25] <laptop> And we have rwebserver and RetiHtmlProxy for html stuff, they just works.
[[Sun,15:56] <laptop> work*
[[Mon,00:03] <Brickhead> Damn, this is crazy! I connect to an onion address only, and reti can be fully used.
[[Mon,02:27] <laptop> I have to try that meshy browser, eventually. But really, there's so few html sites on rns, I count like 4-5(?) at the moment.
[[Mon,03:03] <Guest> @laptop yeah basically I see 8 now but still not a lot.
[[Mon,03:08] <laptop> hmu because I can't see them on my end 32703ab3d8ef290d190411b3a3c559c4
[[Mon,03:18] <laptop> I'm serving a few pages as well.
[[Mon,07:44] <Ben> Testing different TCP networks in the area. I host one for Shenandoah Valley area, but I haven't posted it on rmap or anywhere bc it's pretty new
[[Mon,07:44] <Ben> But it's really cool to see how people are using this stuff, especially nomadnet
[[Mon,07:45] <Ben> I have a few RNodes flashed and that has worked great for me as well
[[Mon,07:45] <Ben> Off to bed but I thought I'd drop a message to introduce myself :)
[[Mon,12:08] <FuggerMastro> Sometimes I just want to die.
[[Mon,12:31] <Colubrid01> @Ben hi, thanks for saying hello
[[Mon,12:32] <Colubrid01> @FuggerMastro don't give in, there's lots to do still
[[Mon,13:17] <Quilnux> In my opinion, anything that helps to bridge the gap between clearnet services and RNS is a good thing. An HTML and Micron site browser are good things because it will help people migrate to RNS faster. They can later change from HTML to Micron to be native.
[[Mon,13:18] <Quilnux> Also, it's good to see multiple projects doing similar things. Allows for better traction and keeps us from relying on 1 project. Multiple projects also allow for diverse feature sets so it's great all around.
[[Mon,14:18] <Malayopython> @Quilnux totally agree, also competition for features is a good thing. what is the reasoning behind micron in the first place? just more efficient formatting? kind of reminds me of the XKCD about competing standards...
[[Mon,14:19] <Malayopython> https://xkcd.com/927/
[[Mon,14:33] <Malayopython> @laptop i tried sending data using txpower of 4 instead of 27, still really bad. i'm beginning to think that my approach of coding it might be the issue. need to look into similar source code to steal some ideas. my general approach is to establish a fresh link to the recipient using RNS.Link, identifying to the peer over that link and then sending individual packets over the link. seems straight forward. not sure what to do with RNS.Channel though...
[[Mon,14:34] <Malayopython> getting lots of link timeouts and sometimes routing just breaks so i cannot reach the recipient at all, i'll continue cooking when i have time again
[[Mon,15:33] <Guest> Vou profereciamos serviços na web totalmente gratuitos e totalmente brasileiros https://abre.ai/pn49
[[Mon,15:52] <Quilnux> @Malayopython I get what your saying. I will say that there is likely an efficiency to Micron vs HTML. I haven't looked into the Micron standard yet but I'm planning to in the next few weeks. Honestly, HTML can be noisy so it wouldn't surprise me if Micron is less bandwidth on the wire, which in Reticulum is important (I'm running on a Rnode only setup here so everything is 5Kbps or lower).
[[Mon,15:53] <Quilnux> Is there a Site on RNS that does langauge translations? Would be a nice service so I don't have to use clearnet for what @Guest sent.
[[Mon,17:40] <Kobold> Gooood gooood. :D I just wanted to ask why isn't pórn on nomadnet.
[[Mon,19:32] <Guest> Vou profereciamos serviços na web totalmente gratuitos e totalmente brasileiros https://abre.ai/pn49
[[Mon,20:42] <Quilnux> @Kobold Probably because you having started a OnlyNomads
[[Mon,20:45] <Quilnux> Haven't started*
[[Mon,21:57] <laptop> If you have meshy browser going, see if this works http://59af869ef483bdd480f4d610baad4269/index.html
[[Tue,00:30] <laptop> Or RetiHtmlProxy, whichever.
[[Tue,04:29] <MM> @laptop, that no workie.
[[Tue,04:37] <laptop> @MM you need RetiHtmlProxy running with a proxy settings adjustment for it to work.
[[Tue,04:50] <MM> @laptop, the MeshChatX browser won't work?
[[Tue,05:04] <laptop> I doubt it, it's 2 separate python scripts.
[[Tue,12:51] <Warp> does anyone know how to make a link in the micron markup language that opens in the webbrowser instead of in meshchatx's browser?
[[Tue,15:56] <laptop> @Warp examplehttps://example.com]
[[Tue,15:57] <laptop> nevermind, this chats formatting blocked my attempt at showing you, right after the word 'example' there is a "" symbol, right after .com there is also a "" symbol.
[[Tue,15:58] <laptop> uhg... it will not let me format it, just look at my links page 6b05715f72c994c837fd6b6431caa9cf:/page/links.mu
[[Tue,15:59] <laptop> For those interested in html stuff. https://github.com/cotteux/rwebserver https://github.com/cotteux/RetiHtmlProxy
[[Tue,16:21] <Warp> i can not see from your links page how to do it as i can't view the page source
[[Tue,16:27] <Lazarus.> Guys... Is the I2P interface truly this shitty? Getting disconnects all the time, about 20-30 seconds.
[[Tue,16:27] <laptop> you need to use meshchat to view the source
[[Tue,16:28] <Warp> i am using meshchatx
[[Tue,16:39] <laptop> backtick symbol should be after example and after the link itself, followed by the square bracket to close
[[Tue,16:39] <Warp> damn i finally found the button for toggling the source code. once i'm able to connect to your site i will let you know if i figured everything out :)
[[Tue,18:01] <Warp> No luck yet loading your link page
[[Tue,19:27] <Warp> Ok so i finally found a micron website that has one of these links however it is just a normal link. nothing special. see when i was playing around with the editor and tried to open webpages from within the editor the whole meshchat window becomes the website and it's impossible to get out of it. i am guessing when you normaly browse a html website it automatically opens it in the webrowser outside of meshchat.
[[Tue,19:28] <Warp> i couldn't try that yet as there is an error when i try to publish a website. i mentioned this on github and the creator of meshchat said it's fixed in a later version
[[Tue,20:11] <Warp> anyway thanks for the help :)
[[Tue,20:14] <laptop> Watch this video https://inv.nadeko.net/8kuKqhP85qk
[[Tue,21:36] <Quilnux> Has anyone gotten telephone to work on Android MeshChatX? It doesn't seem to connect (call drops exactly 30 seconds)
[[Tue,21:36] <Quilnux> Using the APK app BTW.
[[Tue,22:22] <Guest> Wow, it really works
[[Tue,22:53] <MM> @laptop, I looked at your links page. Saved it. Thanks. Lots of good stuff there.
[[Tue,22:56] <MM> @Lazarus., I too have been having lots of i2p problems. I think the protocol is under constant attack, still. Sad.
[[Tue,23:15] <laptop> You can try i2pd.
[[Wed,01:22] <wait.ac> g'day
[[Wed,03:56] <MM> @laptop, same issue.
[[Wed,03:56] <MM> @wait.ac, G'day!
[[Wed,09:19] <Colubrid01> @Quilnux i have successfully called someone using Columba with an IP based connection a long time ago
[[Wed,09:26] <Colubrid01> anyone using a bluetooth rnode on a phone using mesh chat x?
[[Wed,09:41] <Colubrid01> havent been able to get that working
[[Wed,13:39] <Guest> @Colubrid01 Thanks for the response. I'll have to look further at my setup then. Thank you!
[[Wed,13:40] <Quilnux> Opps. Forgot to ID my nickname. Sorry about that. Guest message above was me.
[[Wed,13:47] <Guest> that genuinely confused me
[[Wed,13:47] <Colubrid01> pun intended
[[Wed,15:34] <Quilnux> So I did some more testing and it turns out, it's the Android APK app for MeshCoreX that is broken. Telephone doesn't work on the current version (may 2026) on Android but works perfectly fine on PC.
[[Wed,15:48] <vax1> hey hoo
[[Wed,19:50] <teapot> hey, could someone send a message to lxmf c46b15277c3bb2d59b2d386a1130fd0c
[[Wed,19:50] <teapot> testing my own lxmf client, thanks!
[[Wed,20:46] <MM> @teapot, sent.
[[Wed,20:49] <Guest> @Quilnux, there's a few MeshChatX RCs available in the repo. You should see if they fix your issue.
[[Wed,20:57] <Malayopython> @teapot sent
[[Wed,21:04] <Malayopython> does anybody know what happened to the other chatroom (439fe8227dad5b844a691366b452e0b4:/page/index.mu), haven't been able to connect to it for a long time
[[Wed,21:14] <MM> @Malayopython, same same. I can't reallt figure out up times. This room dies on me all the time as well.
[[Thu,07:28] <Guest2> Has anyone figured out how to successfully send commands to another computer from Sideband? I also can't seem to figure out the difference between rnsh, rnx, lxmf_cmd and lxmf_terminal
[[Thu,11:40] <Warp> hello how is everyone doing today :)?
[[Thu,11:47] <nonya> Good morning everyone. A quick test.
[[Thu,11:48] <Warp> is the node ether whisperer down for anyone else?
[[Thu,12:01] <Colubrid01> can't find ether wisperer, got an address?
[[Thu,12:03] <Colubrid01> found it with the nomad index: 0818816d394731514b924ac6c907983f:/page/index.mu
[[Thu,12:04] <Colubrid01> can't establish a link though
[[Thu,12:08] <Warp> ok
[[Thu,12:44] <Colubrid01> still down
[[Thu,12:55] <System> Guest is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Thu,13:27] <Quilnux> Hey, all. I'm trying to use LXMD to run a propagation node. And for whatever reason, it is not working. I'm getting a message that says, authentication error digest sent was rejected. It also seems to be on the connection.py file and it's for line answer challenge, auth key. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[[Thu,13:29] <Quilnux> I have already tried searching for this, but I'm not getting a whole lot of help from DuckDuckGo on this.
[[Thu,13:47] <Quilnux> Disregard. I somehow was running under the wrong context. Sometimes you just have to facepalm at yourself.
[[Thu,14:13] <MM> Good morning!
[[Thu,14:14] <MM> @Colubride01, Ether Whisperer is up as of now.
[[Thu,14:42] <Warp> hmmm did i get blocked by ether whisperer too? i already got blocked by beleth for some reason.
[[Thu,14:43] <Quilnux> @Guest, Yeah I missed one of the issues on the git for MeshChatX. Turns out the codec2 isn't implemented on Android yet. Dev is aware.
[[Thu,16:32] <MM> @Warp, I got blocked too! Big bummer. No idea why, but that's a major hub.
[[Thu,16:39] <MM> @Colubrid01, scratch that. Ether IS down. =(
[[Thu,17:43] <Malayopython> @Quilnux we've all been there
[[Thu,17:46] <Colubrid01> yeah can't reach ether whisperer either. it says 3 hops away though
[[Thu,17:52] <Warp> when i ping ether whisperer it fails. and yeah sucks that we get blocked in beleth for whatever reason.
[[Thu,18:28] <Quilnux> Forgive me, but what Ether and Beleth? I assume they are transport nodes?
[[Thu,18:36] <MM> @Quilnux, the Beleth RNS Node.
[[Thu,18:45] <Malayopython> i don't know neither ether whisperer nor beleth, i pretty much chill here
[[Fri,03:28] <MM> A lot of downtime here today.
[[Fri,11:04] <Colubrid01> hey i can connect again! i thought it was my fault that the page seemed down because i updated my interfaces
[[Fri,11:08] <Colubrid01> i could visit ether whisperer yesterday
[[Fri,13:22] <Guest> @MM Understood. Thanks. Me and a friend were having trouble connecting with each other yesterday as well. about 10pm UTC we were about to start connecting consistantly again. He was 3 hops away. Both of us are in the US. So clearly there was something on the reticulum network going on. We'll see how today goes.
[[Fri,13:23] <Guest> There's quite a delay from here on Mars
[[Fri,13:23] <Quilnux> I keep forgetting to switch my name. I was guest above. I gotta get used to changing it when I visit this page. Sorry for the confusion @MM
[[Fri,13:25] <Quilnux> @Guest, yes there is. Heh. Even worse once we start living on Mars.
[[Fri,13:26] <Quilnux> Wouldn't that be something though? Reticulum on Mars... There's a thought.
[[Fri,13:34] <Malayopython> @Quilnux thinking about it, would be great to have a feature in mesh chat x to automatically identify to select pages upon visit
[[Fri,13:35] <Malayopython> i am in europe and i had connection issues yesterday evening
[[Fri,13:35] <Warp> ether whisperer is still down for me :(
[[Fri,13:47] <Malayopython> works for me
[[Fri,13:51] <Malayopython> doing come mesh chat x path trace magic and interface discovery digging, the next hop to ether whisperer from me is this: NL-UTR Backbone]] type = BackboneInterface enabled = yes remote = rns.fonetic.studio target_port = 4242 transport_identity = 313a9b5ef72526c4fe2df006bbfb98b2
[[Fri,13:51] <Malayopython> maybe that helps
[[Fri,13:52] <Malayopython> also, check out my blog post: 6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c:/page/blog/posts/2026-06-18-how-to-get-interfaces/index.mu
[[Fri,13:53] <Malayopython> why does copying text from the chat here insert a whitespace between every single character???
[[Fri,13:54] <Malayopython> fucking annoying
[[Fri,14:03] <Warp> ok i took a look at the link
[[Fri,16:05] <MM> @Quilnux, no worries. And glad it wasn't just me. =)
[[Fri,16:54] <Malayopython> downtime again, maybe that's just me
[[Fri,21:12] <MM> Nope. Me too. It's a fragile beast. :)
[[Fri,23:03] <laptop> rmap.world has got interfaces
[[Fri,23:42] <Colubrid01> is it because of reticulum or is it an administrative issue?
[[Fri,23:42] <Colubrid01> maybe i could help with something?
[[Fri,23:58] <Guest> Not sure. My guess is it's just a Reticulum thing.
[[Sat,08:53] <Sharp> holy hell, nice work whomever put this room together!
[[Sat,10:04] <Colubrid01> if it's a reticulum thing it's not good either. resilience needs to improve. idk how the routing algo works in detail but maybe saving multiple alternatives routes to a destination as fallback might be a good idea?
[[Sat,10:10] <Colubrid01> does anybody know where reticulum development happens? mark does his thing, i talked to him, but is there a collaborative place for ideas?
[[Sat,12:27] <Guest> Aleph Git
[[Sat,14:08] <Malayopython> is that a rngit instance?
[[Sat,21:16] <negromat> hellno guyyysss
[[Sun,02:30] <MM> G'evening all.
[[Sun,02:32] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 Before you go make a formal conversation with the devs about this, I'd recommend you fully read the reticulum manual and understand how the system works. Then you need to read the letter from the dev titled "This Is Not a Teahouse" in the github repo.
[[Sun,03:07] <MM> I absolutely understand the frustration he's expressed, but it just turn into another RTFM. The backlash he's trying to avoid he's gotten anyway. Not from me. I totally get it. But from the "man-babies". His point is solid. Just know what you're getting into.
[[Sun,03:17] <MM> Anyone else in here using MeshChatX?
[[Sun,03:21] <Guest> yes. I only recently figured out how to browse nomadnet on meshchatX both on computer and Android.
[[Sun,03:23] <MM> As of 3 or 4 hours ago, all my interfaces are showing "Link down". Did I just get blackholed by all the nodes? =(
[[Sun,05:11] <OSEC> Hiiiii! :D
[[Sun,10:55] <Colubrid01> @Quilnux Of course I wouldn't annoy the devs without reading up before, I was just interested where development actually happens
[[Sun,10:56] <Colubrid01> @MM I'm using MeshChatX at the moment
[[Sun,11:01] <Colubrid01> @Quilnux I like lurking where development happens to see the dev's conversations. Good to learn
[[Sun,14:10] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 I know the dev had has tension with the community in the past leading the the teahouse letter. So just wanted to mention it just to be sure. Completely understand lurking where development happens though. I think most of it happens here since the only active repo I'm aware of is the rngit repo at rns://7649a50d84610232d1416b41d2896aff/reticulum/reticulum That's where 1.3.5 is located at least. Not sure if it's elsewhere outside of reticulum or not though.
[[Sun,14:12] <MM> Morning all. Same situation this morning. All interfaces report "link down". Network seems to be working okay. NN works. Messages came through. Netowrk just doesn't show much. Hmmm.
[[Sun,14:13] <Quilnux> @MM I've had that happen before. MeshChatX has it's own built-in instance of RNS so it can collide with RNSD sometimes if you have that running. They are supposed to share instances between each other as to not collide but it still happens sometimes. Recently it's been working better, not sure why (maybe the update to 1.3.5 did it). Try shutting down your RNSD before opening MeshChatX on your PC.
[[Sun,14:14] <Quilnux> @MM If the network is working, I wouldn't worry about it. If your have RNSD running then open MeshChatX then RNSD will have your interface statuses. It cannot be read from MeshChatX unless MeshChatX owns the instance.
[[Sun,14:25] <MM> @Quilnux, thanks for the info. I don't believe I have separate RNSD running. I'm using the AppImage of MCX. I think the error is in my default interface. It shows as down which in turn makes it show "0 interface up, 0 interfaces down". I'm just hoping I don't have to wipe anything and start over. Doh! I'll wait for the next release and see if it fixes it. I'm running the most recent RC. 6, I think.
[[Sun,14:28] <MM> I see this issue relating to what you're talking about @Quilnux. https://github.com/Quad4-Software/MeshChatX/issues/31
[[Sun,14:29] <MM> I'd say it doesn't match for me because I don't have RNSD installed separately, but it's highly suspicious that it's the same issue.
[[Sun,14:30] <MM> Or maybe it does match. The wording is confusing. Lol!
[[Sun,14:33] <Quilnux> Fair, if you don't have RNSD running then it probably is a seperate issue.
[[Sun,14:35] <Quilnux> After looking at the issue ticket, I haven't had it hang before as suggested in issue 31. It just simply won't conenct to the network at all. But that only happened when I was on 1.3.4 so I don't know if my issue was the same as issue 31 since it's talking about 1.3.5. Although he is correct, rnsh doesn't work. You have to go through RNSD for that if you have it running, or turn RNSD off before opening MeshChatX.
[[Sun,14:38] <Quilnux> Now that I think about it though, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that when I was on 1.3.4, I was running the AppImage version of MeshChatX. However, when I upgraded to RNSD 1.3.5, I switched to the pure Python version. So maybe that also had something to do with it.
[[Sun,14:51] <MM> Maybe if it isn't fixed in the next release, I'll try the python version.
[[Sun,14:56] <Colubrid01> @Quilnux thanks for the info
[[Sun,14:57] <Colubrid01> @MM mcx works for me fine, crashes / hangs sometimes when another rnsd instance is running. the interfaces showing as down but everything working is an issue i had with the original mesh chat and was what made me switch to mesh chat x. in hindsight the issue was probably caused by another rnsd instance though
[[Sun,15:02] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 How much of a difference is there between MeshChat and MeshChatX? I've heard that MeshChat isn't developed anymore but other then that, how different is it?
[[Sun,15:14] <MM> According to the MeshChat info page, MeshChatX is cleaner and more maintained, but that's about it. I think they suggest using X over the original.
[[Sun,15:15] <MM> @Colubrid01, that's also good info. Thank you.
[[Sun,15:42] <NGuest> Hello guys
[[Sun,15:43] <NGuest> What kinda URLs flow here, or where to find them
[[Sun,15:59] <MM> @NGuest, welcome. Not sure what you're looking for. You can look through the room history and get an idea of the contents.
[[Sun,16:43] <Colubrid01akaMalayopython> mesh chat just feels like an old version of mcx tbh
[[Sun,16:44] <Colubrid01akaMalayopython> less features, doesn't look as good
[[Sun,16:45] <Colubrid01> 6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c:/page/blog/posts/2026-06-12-meshchatx/index.mu
[[Sun,16:45] <MM> Basically. Lol.
[[Sun,17:00] <Colubrid01> the routing is tightly coupled to identities, so there is no multi device support possible on "layer one", right?
[[Sun,17:01] <Colubrid01> e.g. another device, another identity, right?
[[Sun,17:02] <Colubrid01> what would happen if one used the same identity on multiple devices? would that confuse the routing?
[[Sun,17:22] <laptop> It would simply route to the new device.
[[Sun,17:45] <Malayopython> yes so when i use the same identity on two devices at the same time, it would get really confusing
[[Sun,18:42] <Quilnux> Personally I use the same identity between my desktop and tablet, but I never run them at the same time. I did however do some testing just to see and whichever device has most recently announced itself is the one that gets routed to.
[[Sun,18:47] <Colubrid01> ok makes sense
[[Sun,21:24] <Guest> @Quilinux, I see your reply on the git issue. Then I see the maintainer comment that it's bundled in the update, and then close the issue. Just tested the release. It is not fixed. Lol!
[[Sun,21:26] <MM> That was me above as @Guest. Doh.
[[Sun,21:30] <MM> Has anyone restored MCX from backup? I'm thinking of just removing everything and starting over, but I don't know what the backup contains? Do I need to manually save my contacts, saved NN pages, Interfaces, etc.?
[[Sun,21:58] <MM> I know you can manually export Folders, Messages and NN favorites, but I'm wondering if they're included in a db backup as well.
[[Sun,22:32] <Quilnux> @MM Yeah, unfortunately the AppImage doesn't do as well. Not sure why. I mean, telephone functions don't work at all on Android if you use APK either (although, if you use the termux method, supposedly it works. Haven't tried myself but a friend used it and he said it was working that way). He's the only dev working on this so I don't expect things to be very quick to resolve.
[[Sun,22:39] <MM> Yeah, I completely get it. I'm not mad. =) I'm a patient man. I'll just continue tinkering.
[[Sun,22:52] <Quilnux> @MM As far as I know, exporting the database backup on the About screen then importing should be enough I believe.
[[Sun,23:06] <Quilnux> On the plus side, it would seem that the new update has fixed the connection problem with Android regarding the telephone function.
[[Sun,23:31] <MM> @Quilnux, Cool re: the db. And very cool re: the Android app! =)
[[Mon,12:33] <Colubrid01> just updated my mcx, does anybody have experience with the relay chat feature?
[[Mon,13:05] <YAYA> there are anybody in rrc ? and where ?
[[Mon,13:27] <Quilnux> @YAYA I haven't played with it yet. There were some a while back but I don't have their addresses anymore. It's probably not hard to set up an RRC server. I might look into it in the next few days and set one up.
[[Mon,18:20] <mm> In the RC dialog, if you click on Discover, you can supposedly connect to hosted rooms. I have yet to see one, but you can start one if you want to try. I did and haven't had one contact.
[[Mon,18:23] <MM> If you got to BerryTube under Discovered Hubs, you should see an open room: #hey!. If you pop in there, you might be able to try it.
[[Mon,18:31] <Colubrid01> can't connect to berry tube atm
[[Mon,18:33] <Colubrid01> now it says connected, does anybody see my message in #hey?
[[Mon,18:36] <MM> @Colubrid01, I don't see you, or a message in there.
[[Mon,18:37] <Colubrid01> well shid
[[Mon,18:39] <Colubrid01> i also do not see any rooms, i just added 'hey' as a room.
[[Mon,18:40] <Colubrid01> maybe it's a mcx android issue, @Malayopython will try it later from desktop
[[Mon,18:44] <MM> Try this: 40653ab613e4c8f47f8b1d184c825382
[[Mon,18:44] <MM> Enter it in "Add a hub". See if it works.
[[Mon,18:52] <MM> Use "introductions" for the room name. I have a feeling this feature is not at all flushed out. Even hosting one, it doesn't display rooms.
[[Mon,19:16] <GuestFr> Incredible
There is actually people on rns networks
[[Mon,19:19] <MM> Literally dozens of us. =)
[[Mon,19:28] <Malayopython> the revolution was never televized
[[Mon,19:29] <Malayopython> @Colubrid01 indeed i am trying right now
[[Mon,19:30] <Malayopython> @MM added the hub, this worked. added #introductions, this worked, too. nobody answering though...
[[Mon,19:31] <Malayopython> i think i'll just wait for the next release then, there's no rush
[[Mon,19:43] <MM> I replied. Two guests now.
[[Mon,19:52] <Malayopython> yes now it works
[[Mon,20:03] <MM> ദ്ദി´ ˘ )✧
[[Mon,20:28] <Harold> Hello! I am new in Reticulum. Is there any public DHT with announces of Reticulum interface nodes?
[[Mon,20:31] <MM> @Harold, welcome! https://directory.rns.recipes/
[[Mon,20:32] <Harold> Is it really DHT?
[[Mon,20:32] <laptop> ok so I got meshy browser going but it doesn't load audio or video, it's also slightly slower (frame rate wise) than regular firefox, http does work, meshy renames http to rweb.
[[Mon,20:44] <laptop> I like the fact that meshy separates announces by type, rweb, mu, etc.
[[Mon,20:53] <Malayopython> i think i will stay on here until the whole relay chat feature has matured. also, i'm not sure how the advantages of it are in terms of resilience. if i need a central hub, isn't it equally centralized as THE CHAT ROOM?
[[Mon,20:55] <laptop> It's a service so yes, it's centralized, thankfully it's open source, so anyone can host their own.
[[Mon,21:12] <Malayopython> not sure about the possibilities but in the spirit of 'uncentralizability' i would hope for a true p3p solution one day.
[[Mon,21:12] <Malayopython> p2p, not p3p hahahaha
[[Mon,21:15] <Harold> And the other idea. Is it possible to use Reticulum as a replacement for directory servers / DHT for other P2P networks?
[[Mon,21:20] <Harold> I like the idea that someone may use Reticulum to send a list of nodes that belongs to other P2P networks
[[Mon,21:23] <Colubrid01> not sure if it's the 'intended use' but of course you could make your own client announcing with an aspect of directory.something and make each client gather key value mappings from its peers. you would need some way of verifying those mappings though. i'm not an expert. i though about that for a name service mapping nomadnet pages to names. but the issue is: who decides about collisions?
[[Mon,21:25] <MM> I'm going to burn that hub for now. I think it has potential. I don't think it's much different than a group chat, but you can run the hub from MCX, so it's only up when you want it to be. I'm sure it has uses. Kind of like a group mailbox, maybe.
[[Mon,21:25] <Colubrid01> maybe it's a feature in itself that the page's address is directly linked to the public key (if i understand correctly)
[[Mon,21:26] <Colubrid01> @MM yes, i'll stay here and see where the feature goes
[[Mon,21:28] <Colubrid01> regarding nomadnet pages, having the public key be the address avoids the trust issue "solved" by CAs where you, re not sure if the name (google.com) actually maps to the key
[[Mon,21:29] <Colubrid01> @Harold of course you could just use reticulum as a bootstrap network for peer discovery, that's a neat idea
[[Mon,21:41] <Colubrid01> @Harold to expand on that, why not make the entire P2P network reticulum-native and communicate via destination hashes instead of IPs? throughput might be an issue but just putting out the idea
[[Mon,22:39] <Quilnux> @Harold Yeah, I was about to say the same as @Colubrid01 . Trying to map a non-reticulum service to reticulum will likely be harder then it's worth. In fact, the recommended option is to re-write the network stack in whatever service your wanting to adapt to Reticulum vs trying to map IP network stacks into Reticulum. Depending on the application/service, if the network stack is split in the code it wouldn't require a complete re-write of the service either. But if IP is heavily integrated, it'll be faster to just rewrite the application/service for Reticulum instead.
[[Mon,22:41] <Colubrid01> who is @Frank
[[Mon,22:47] <Colubrid01> @Quilnux you're totally right. i was going to add the following but i was interrupted irl: instead of adapting a p2p network to reticulum, it would be much easier to implement a separate IP tunnel layer that transparently routes IP through reticilum. that's what i'm currently working on. basically, you can use it like wireguard VPN as a full tunnel, but it routes the traffic over reticulum to another peer (or multiple using allowed_ips)
[[Mon,22:55] <Colubrid01> this would allow any IP based application to be routed over reticulum instead with all the nice features for free: resilience, more transport logic, ...
[[Mon,22:55] <Colubrid01> not sure about the throughput requirements though
[[Mon,22:56] <Colubrid01> if i find the time, i might set up an rngit instance for it (@Malayopython)
[[Mon,23:56] <Colubrid01> the latest mesh chat x update feels more slow and buggy imo
[[Tue,05:12] <MM> I agree, but still very usable.
[[Tue,07:16] <Colubrid01> i'd rather have kept the old version performance wise. the relay feature is preview at best and network visualizer is still slow. i'd rather take an update with no user facing feature additions improving performance than this
[[Tue,16:41] <Malayopython> at the moment, MCX shows my interfaces as "link down" eventhough they are working fine, seems like this is a reoccurring issue
[[Wed,04:10] <MM> @Malayopython, glad I'm not the only one.
[[Wed,11:38] <Colubrid01> reachability of this room was very bad the last couple of days, maybe it's the new MCX version, maybe site admin should add some up to date backbone interfaces
[[Thu,15:38] <Guest> @colubrid01, Yeah I couldn't get in this room for the last few days at all. It isn't MeshChatX related because it also wasn't working on my nomad client either.
[[Thu,16:14] <Quilnux> Hey, the chat room is finally back!
[[Thu,16:16] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 Yeah the bandwidth support obligations for reticulum are pretty low. IP networks don't support bandwidth that slow in most cases and the IP data over Reticulum for Lora will probably be a pretty bad experience for most. But hey, if you figure out how to make it work more power to you. That'll be an achievement for sure if it works.
[[Thu,16:57] <Malayopython> hey, back online!! for some weird reason i sometimes cannot reach my basement propagation node using mcx, something is fishy...
[[Thu,17:02] <Malayopython> mcx says "link failed"
[[Thu,17:03] <Malayopython> maybe it's a performance issue, for another weird reason my basement reticulum VM hosting rnsd, lxmd and nomadnet sometimes takes 100% CPU
[[Thu,17:03] <Malayopython> two weird reasons are seldom unrelated
[[Thu,17:10] <Malayopython> right now it was nomadnet somehow spawning a lot of child processes each taking a slice adding up to 100% CPU. after restarting i started receiving messages again. maybe my VM is just a weak soyboy?
[[Thu,17:18] <Malayopython> for a moment, my htop showed as top CPU process a python command that did something with multiprocessing and spawning. might it be possible that i'm being DoS'd? or is there a bug that excessively spawns processes?
[[Thu,18:16] <Quilnux> @Malayopython if you need to compare, my htop shows lxmd has about 1.27GB of RAM assigned and rnsd has 291MB RAM assigned. Average CPU use for both together is about 7% CPU on an Intel 10400.
[[Thu,18:16] <Quilnux> Also, in case it matters, It's running bare metal, not in a VM.
[[Thu,18:17] <Quilnux> I don't have any nomadnet services running at this time.
[[Thu,18:53] <Malayopython> thanks for sharing, i need to investigate
[[Fri,01:36] <MM> Hey all! I see the temporal door to this site is open...for the moment. =)
[[Fri,04:52] <Quilnux> @MM Let us hope it holds. Otherwise we may be shifted back to the mortal plane to live a commoner's life once again, disconnected from our kin.
[[Fri,05:28] <MM> @Quilnux, LOL! My thoughts exactly!
[[Fri,06:55] <Nexus> Hey all! Any reley chat experts online?
[[Fri,11:28] <Malayopython> no, we're obviously all using THE CHAT ROOM. at least i'm not an expert. i tried it in mcx and it was buggy so i decided to just stay here. here are the real people anyways: @Quilnux @laptop @MM @Colubrid01
[[Fri,11:57] <someguy> hi real people! I'm super biased but what's your thoughts on mobile linux?
[[Fri,12:01] <Malayopython> mobile linux is for people who prefer insecure linux machines in their pockets over grapheneOS
[[Fri,12:01] <Malayopython> unrelated: good read: https://reticulum.network/manual/distributed.html#distributed-development
[[Fri,12:02] <Malayopython> sometimes i wonder what the percentage of feds on here might be...
[[Fri,12:03] <someguy> well can't fault you, its true I do prefer that. I would use GrapheneOS but I refuse to buy a google phone used or otherwise so I'll consider when they support phones that aren't pixels.
[[Fri,12:05] <someguy> about https://reticulum.network/manual/distributed.html#distributed-development yeah its on my todo list to move my work to rngit
[[Fri,12:07] <Malayopython> just buy a pixel phone
[[Fri,12:09] <Malayopython> or wait i guess. i'll need an rngit instance too in the future. maybe i'll get around to it eventually
[[Fri,12:10] <someguy> also insecure is a strong word for something that runs the same code as the OS you probably use on your laptop/PC, not attacking just genuinely curious what your definition of insecure is in the context of mobile OSs.
[[Fri,12:11] <Malayopython> android has much better sandboxing than standard linux (android uses a heavily modified linux kernel)
[[Fri,12:11] <Malayopython> the permission system is much more proven and flushed out on android and it's much better optimized for mobile app usage
[[Fri,12:12] <Malayopython> linux phones are basically reinventing the wheel, but they start with what android has been working on for a very long time
[[Fri,12:13] <Malayopython> let's not forget the whole secure element story for pixel phones, which android (especially grapheneos) makes good use of
[[Fri,12:13] <someguy> that I know I'm a developer, though I'll define it as a different kernel altogether. I do agree with you on the sandboxing part, I will say Ubuntu Touch has the strongest sandboxing but its both not enough and over the top at the same time.
[[Fri,12:14] <Malayopython> also, when evaluating security, it's important to stay rational and avoid falling into the Google-bad tribalism. yes, google IS bad. but the pixel device security is excellent
[[Fri,12:17] <someguy> the reinventing the wheel part is a necessary waste in my eyes, true the secure element but I do have dreams about fairphone support GrapheneOS+Fairphone repairability would scratch my itch very well.
[[Fri,12:18] <someguy> as for the google-bad tribalism its less that and more the bad battery reputation coupled with me not wanting to buy new because I don't want to give money to google.
[[Fri,12:19] <Malayopython> i just don't see the reason why i should use linux on mobile when there has been so much work and hardening done on android. linux phones cater to the google-bad and libre crowds. i don't have an issue with libre / FOSS per se, but the man who trades software "freedom" over security will loose both. also, software "freedom" is mostly a communist idea that has nothing to do with actual liberty. real liberty includes the right to discriminate and exclude others from your projects. real liberty includes the right to run proprietary software if it suits your needs. software is a tool and cannot be moral or immoral. sorry for the rant
[[Fri,12:20] <someguy> anyhow gotta go, still working a port of MeshChatX for Ubuntu Touch until then I can't really be online on the go, and I need to go.
[[Fri,12:21] <Malayopython> @someguy understandable but i would recommend getting my priorities straight, no offense. my first priority is security, not some ideological purism. if google produces the most secure mobile device in the world, i will given them my money.
[[Fri,12:21] <someguy> don't worry about the rant, I will come back to this though I disagree with some things you said. its not black and white here in mobile linux land we have proprietary software
[[Fri,12:22] <Malayopython> @someguy alright, i've got school to do :-( godspeed and have fun
[[Fri,22:12] <Dandrid> What did I miss ?
[[Fri,22:21] <Harold> Hi everyone! Why do you think there still isn’t a tool that lets you quickly - like, really quickly - bolt a GUI on top of anything, even something you don’t have the source code for?
[[Fri,22:31] <Harold> Yesterday, in my Suno feed, I saw a song called “High Code, Low Usability.” It really struck a nerve with me, since I’m one of those people who either don’t make GUIs for my projects at all, or make them very rudimentary. Then I realized the guy was right. Software freedom isn’t just about licenses, but also about the ability to actually use it, even if you’re not a developer yourself or just a geek like me. Otherwise, what kind of freedom is it if you can’t use it to its full extent? That’s where my previous question comes from.
[[Sat,04:55] <Quilnux> @Harold There are IDE's out there that allow you to design GUI's for many dev languages, Python, C/C++, VB, I think even Rust has an IDE that supports building GUI's with a mouse. But as far as doing it without source code, that's kind of harder to do for anything that will call a function beyond simple shell scripts. Mostly because a GUI will need to tie itself to handles in the code. So you'll need the source code to do that. If that doesn't answer you're question then you might need to explain what your asking a bit more. It's not entire clear to me if I'm answering the question your trying to ask.
[[Sat,05:21] <someguy> qt with QML code, I would link my github because I did this but I'd like to not put myslef out there through reticulum.
[[Sat,05:22] <someguy> the basic setup can be C++ with qt and qml, or python with qt and qml. (qml is qt GUI code) they with C++ or Python you can create a wrapper around whatever you need. janky as hell but will work if you have no source code.
[[Sat,05:23] <someguy> or can't modify source
[[Sat,05:24] <someguy> I would recommend making a CLI or if your fancy a TUI for your projects at the very least. unless they are not meant to be user operated then its logs and flags.
[[Sat,08:17] <Harold> I meant specifically eliminating the need to write code for each GUI wrapper and instead using a declarative format that maps a specific GUI element to a specific CLI parameter.
[[Sat,09:13] <Colubrid01> i hate writing gui code and for most programs i prefer a cli version. with reasonable exceptions like web browsing, pdf viewing and image editing
[[Sat,09:16] <Guest> https://odysee.com/@Jadin:2/TerryDavisRant:f
[[Sat,13:26] <Quilnux> @Harold Have you already looked at Slint? What does that not do that you are expecting from a declarative GUI?
[[Sat,14:47] <MM> Good morning! The Reticulum Gods have shined upon us and made the Chat available. Praise be! =)
[[Sat,15:50] <laptop> >mobile linux https://liberux.net/ as long as the android phone has NetGuard, I'm happy.
[[Sat,17:03] <Quilnux> @MM Yes! I rolled a natural 20 on initiative just before getting on Reticulum.
[[Sat,17:04] <Quilnux> I don't own or use a cell phone but if I did, it'd probably run some form of Linux. I don't trust Android or iOS.
[[Sat,18:33] <MM> @Quilnux, lol! Exactly!
[[Sat,18:36] <MM> Happy Field Day, everyone!
[[Sat,19:32] <Guest> HELP
[[Sat,19:56] <MM> Help with?
[[Sat,21:46] <Harold> @Quilnux It doesn’t look like Slint can be used to create a GUI for an existing CLI application whose source code isn’t available.
[[Sun,01:25] <Quilnux> @Harold You'd have to build out externs to the CLI application and hook the GUI to the functions of the CLI application which is completely doable without source code.
[[Sun,17:32] <MM> Good morning folks. How goes it?
[[Sun,21:46] <Quilnux> @MM Bracing for an unusual high temp week starting tomorrow. How about yourself?
[[Sun,23:03] <Colubrid01> unusual high temp? sitting in third floor, no AC, 40°C in the shade. i love it
[[Sun,23:30] <MM> @Quilnux, about the same here. Doh! Not a fan. @Colubrid01, wtf?! That sounds awful! Lol!
[[Mon,00:20] <Malayopython> It's a matter of mindset. I would normally hate it, too. But some people pay to visit a sauna, i got that for free. I am fucking sweating though.
[[Mon,00:21] <Malayopython> finally got around to set up an rngit instance
[[Mon,00:22] <Malayopython> the heat kept me going ... computer science is like water to my thirsty throat
[[Mon,00:22] <Malayopython> ok maybe i am a little dehydrated... imma grab a beer and call it a day
[[Mon,00:27] <Quilnux> To each their own but I'll say this, 90F-100F dry is very different then 90F-100F with high humidity. I'm on 100F with high humidity (over 95%) side of this fence.
[[Mon,07:05] <Nexus> Hey all
[[Mon,08:16] <zer0bitz> hello all
[[Mon,13:04] <Malayopython> wow, we are reaching a new highscore in consecutive days of uptime!!
[[Mon,13:09] <Malayopython> @zer0bitz long time no see, right?
[[Mon,15:12] <Quilnux> @Malayopython feels that way doesn't it.
[[Mon,16:33] <MM> G'morning! Coming to you live fromm the new MCX release candidate.
[[Mon,16:34] <MM> The changelog says working interfaces will no longer show as down. But guess what, I don't have a single wokring interface. Lol! Maybe next version.
[[Mon,17:19] <Quilnux> @MM that is pretty odd. Although I use MCX through RNSD so maybe that's why I don't have the same issue as you?
[[Mon,18:30] <MM> @Quilnux, yeah, pretty weird. Seems common, but weird.
[[Tue,10:21] <Guest> hello
[[Tue,16:10] <Quilnux> Hello @Guest
[[Tue,18:21] <void> hello everyone!
[[Tue,20:10] <MM> Hello @Guest! And hello @void! How's everyone today/tonight/whenever?
[[Tue,23:19] <Mallow> Heya peeps
[[Wed,01:22] <Quilnux> Good evening @Mallow
[[Wed,01:22] <Quilnux> @MM Doing excellent today. How are you doing?
[[Wed,01:45] <nu11_byt3r> Hey everyone how's the mesh today?
[[Wed,02:18] <Quilnux> @nu11_byt3r Not had any problems today.
[[Wed,02:26] <nu11_byt3r> @Quilnux good to hear sounds like the meshers are all doing good as well.
[[Wed,02:28] <MM> All good here! Making apricot jam. And yes, the mesh God's have blessed us today!
[[Wed,02:29] <nu11_byt3r> @MM sounds amazing did you grow the apricots?
[[Wed,04:53] <MM> Neighbor's down the road. Their tree is so prolific, they can never use them all. And like GOOD neighbors, they share.
[[Wed,06:56] <Colubrid01> that's great. keep your family and neighbors close if they are good people
[[Wed,06:57] <Colubrid01> mesh chat x on android is painfully slow and keeps "disconnected from backend"ing on me
[[Wed,06:58] <Colubrid01> and my rnsd BackboneInterface instance in my basement somehow died / is not reachable anymore. good thing i have enabled interface discovery everywhere #resilience
[[Wed,08:23] <Malayopython> for some reason this fixed it: for s in rnsd lxmd nomadnet rngit; do systemctl --user restart $s; done
[[Wed,08:24] <Malayopython> this is called "i do not have time, please start working again" method
[[Wed,08:24] <Malayopython> did not even have time for proper bash quoting, i know
[[Wed,09:06] <josef> Hello from indonesia..
[[Wed,10:02] <Guest> Hello! I'm also experiencing "disconnected from backend" on meshchatx desktop, but only when I start using any I2P interface. It just loads and work for a dozen seconds, and then disconnected. I tried running the thing in extreme rns log verbosity, nothing appears when that occurs. I'd like to troubleshoot that if anybody can guide me through it
[[Wed,10:06] <Guest> (also I'm a complete newcomer in reticulum so any guidance to better places to discuss this would be very much appreciated!)
[[Wed,10:55] <Colubrid01> i broke my ratspeak android installation with the latest update: java.lang.IllegalStateException: LifecycleOwner org.ratspeak.android.MainActivity@7baeb7f is attempting to register while current state is RESUMED. LifecycleOwners must call register before they are STARTED.
[[Wed,10:56] <Colubrid01> be careful when updating
[[Wed,10:57] <Colubrid01> @Guest I'm not an expert myself, just waiting for future updates tbh
[[Wed,11:13] <Colubrid01> props to the ratspeak devs, they shipped a fix
[[Wed,14:03] <Quilnux> @Guest I would recommend getting it working with TCP before you add I2P interfaces. Reason being I2P has always been finicky so it's important to determine (as part of troubleshooting), is this a reticulum issue or an I2P problem. If it does the same thing on TCP then it's something related to your setup and Reticulum, if TCP works then you know it's I2P's side. That's probably your first step in troubleshooting.
[[Wed,14:06] <Quilnux> I was never able to get I2P to work by itself (independently of Reticulum) so I never even tried to touch it with Reticulum. I feel like it'd be easier to get reticulum working with Tor then with I2P but that's just because I'm biased since I2P never worked for me. But figure out of it's ONLY I2P you have trouble with, or if Reticulum also has trouble with TCP as well.
[[Wed,15:47] <MM> Morning all! @Colubrid01, yes! Absolutely! If they're good people. :)
[[Wed,17:09] <Quilnux> Actually I'll go ahead and ask this only because it's not really clear to me. What is the actual difference between Tor and I2P? It honestly seems like they are identical with the only exception that tor operates on top of clearnet while I2P is silo'ed networking. Beyond that though, what is the difference?
[[Wed,17:14] <Malayopython> @Quilnux tor and i2p are two different approaches at anonymity networks. tor has exit nodes and i2p doesn't (that's why you can access clear net websites with tor but not with i2p). i2p uses garlic routing, tor uses onion routing. two different approaches at anonymizing traffic. i myself am an i2p layman so the docs will do the best job at explaining
[[Wed,17:17] <MM> Excellent explanation so far!
[[Wed,17:18] <Malayopython> of course anonymity is not the only goal of tor / i2p, censorship resistance is another related big point
[[Wed,17:19] <Malayopython> and i think hop count (3 for tor) is different on i2p aswell. that means the amount of layers of encryption are different. although, as i said, i2p uses garlic routing, which i am not sure how it works
[[Wed,17:22] <Malayopython> my IP is banned by youtube, but i think this is a good explanation on onion routing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYzre4bf7I / https://invidio.us/watch?v=QRYzre4bf7I
[[Wed,17:24] <Quilnux> I haven't heard of garlic routing either. Still, it sounds like they are practically identical. Just one of isolated and the other isn't. But given enough time a sybil attack is still relevant and hard to protect against for networks like these. Adding more hops (I assume that's what you were suggesting) doesn't really solve much. It might make it slightly more difficult but not impossible to break.
[[Wed,17:28] <Malayopython> @Quilnux they are not identical, they have architectural differences. not sure what you mean with "isolated". talking about tor (because I don't really know i2p), sybil attacks are a real threat, if someone is operating multiple servers in your network path, they might be able to correlate traffic. not sure if this applies to hidden sites (.onion / .i2p sites), too.
[[Wed,17:33] <Quilnux> isolated, meaning it cannot reach clearnet (tor can still access regular non-tor services for example). Sybil attacks are actually the perfect attack for something like tor. Assuming I2P is basically the same (still, you haven't really told me anything yet that isn't the boilerplate stuff from any "what is i2p" web site on google) it's also something that would affect i2p as well.
[[Wed,17:35] <Malayopython> i told you multiple times that i have no knowledge of i2p
[[Wed,17:35] <Malayopython> go to the i2p docs and read them, that's what i would do, too
[[Wed,17:37] <Quilnux> Well, I have actually. That's why I'm still having questions about it. Because even the documents seem to suggest it's identical. Just has more hops and no exit nodes.
[[Wed,17:37] <Quilnux> I'm not against have 2 products that do the same thing. Obviously it's good to not rely on one single thing. I just would have liked it to have been a little more unique is all.
[[Wed,17:43] <Malayopython> you're one step ahead of me then. i haven't read the docs yet. in the video i sent, they also briefly mention sybil attacks. "impossible to break" is an unrealistic expectation imo. every system has some characteristics. if you had an "unbreakable system" and you would be the only one using it, leaking that information out of band would still deanonymize you.
[[Wed,17:47] <Quilnux> Yeah, nothing is 100% secure, I agree with you. Even less so once you start implementing AI code (yeah, I'm that anti-AI guy people hate).
[[Wed,17:50] <Malayopython> final comment on the topic: always think about your threat model first. what are you trying to protect against? there will always be trade offs, so there is no magic bullet that protects you against every attack imaginable. want to avoid censorship? a VPN or tor might work. want to change your location? a VPN might be the better tool. want to have resilience against infrastructure outages? look into reticulum and LoRa. and, finally, see what other people do with a tool and see if it works. if you are not a high-value target compared to others, you probably won't be the first being attacked. always look out for the canary in the coal mine
[[Wed,17:53] <Malayopython> @Quilnux I too think that agentic coding is a setup for long-time tech debt but that's a different topic for another day. actually, that perfectly connects to my previous point: use the right tool for the right job. just because you can make AI write all your code, it isn't necessarily a good idea.
[[Wed,17:58] <MM> DoingFedTime is an i2p evangelist (and a beast in general). Great resource for that and anything privsec oriented.https://www.sambent.com/
[[Wed,18:03] <Malayopython> +
[[Wed,18:05] <Guest> Do you think it would be feasible to integrate hyphanet as a tunnel for reticulum?
[[Wed,18:48] <Quilnux> @Guest I can't find a reason it wouldn't be. Sure. Go for it.
[[Wed,18:51] <Quilnux> If I2P can be an interface for reticulum then freenet/hydranet should be a cakewalk to interface.
[[Wed,22:51] <laptop> I've tested 2 different I2P interfaces, I cannot get them to work with rns, but i2pd does load i2p sites, which is strange.. I tried multiple configurations, and no data goes through, perhaps someone else can figure this one out.
[[Wed,23:55] <laptop> Later attempted i2pd again this time with 2 i2p interfaces, and it crashes MCX. I'm able to get te 'link up', but no data going in or out.
[[Wed,23:56] <laptop> So, first test, was two separate i2p interfces, second test, both at once, it did not work.
[[Thu,00:48] <josef> <laptop> If you do the i2p you have to tick the SAM TCP. It will the service for that.
[[Thu,00:50] <josef> I mean activate the serice SAM TCP in startup i2pd.
[[Thu,00:56] <josef> @laptop before you start the rns you have to start i2p first until its fully online
[[Thu,00:57] <josef> then you can startup the rns. In the past I often missed that part.
[[Thu,00:58] <josef> to get the i2p adress just check the rnstatus.
[[Thu,01:08] <laptop> You mean enable sam in the i2pd.conf ?
[[Thu,01:10] <laptop> or in the proxy (127.0.0.1/4447) ?
[[Thu,01:12] <laptop> I'm guessing the proxy settings.
[[Thu,01:22] <josef> @laptop yes enable sam... I enable it on 127.0.0.1:7657
[[Thu,01:25] <josef> in the configuration page|tab client
[[Thu,01:48] <Guest> I'll try that.
[[Thu,02:12] <laptop> Tried it, it didn't load, turned off firewall, it still wouldn't load, I dunno what's up, but that's enough for today.
[[Thu,03:29] <josef> maybe restart the PC?
[[Thu,03:38] <laptop> i did that, nothing seems to work, i finally got the router working after one more try but clicking anything SAM related did nothing.
[[Thu,03:41] <laptop> it was on 127.0.0.1:7070 not 7657
[[Thu,03:47] <josef> @laptop is the link up? normally even if the link is up sometimes there is still no client.
[[Thu,03:50] <laptop> link was up but no data
[[Thu,03:51] <josef> I have 2 pc's running on i2p for reti sometimes there is no client/peer connected.
[[Thu,03:52] <josef> if the link is up I guess leave the settings like that. Maybe tommorow somebody will connect.
[[Thu,04:32] <lakey> howdy from oklahoma
[[Thu,05:12] <josef> @lakey hi from indonesia.
[[Thu,07:22] <Strowger> Hola de México
[[Thu,11:34] <Nyla> Hello
[[Thu,11:46] <Colubrid01> hello, good to see some commitment
[[Thu,12:41] <Quilnux> I gotta find some time to look into the technical details of how Reticulum does routing. The manual only talks about it at a high level but I'll have to study the Python code to see how it really works. It'll be interesting trying to figure out Python being a C/C++ coder.
[[Thu,13:25] <Quilnux> Off topic from my previous message, for those who care about open source things, the WD-40 git client that removes Rust code is available on github. (clearnet)https://github.com/Libre-WD-40/git
[[Thu,14:19] <Colubrid01> can anyone reach 0chan?
[[Thu,14:20] <Colubrid01> 253e67911a76125e2c0df30f75adf810
[[Thu,14:29] <Quilnux> I was also successful at compiling Git WD-40 with Fil-C for anyone who is interested.
[[Thu,14:31] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 253e67911a76125e2c0df30f75adf810:/page/index.mu didn't seem to load. Failed on establishing link.
[[Thu,14:58] <Guest> asdf
[[Thu,15:01] <Quilnux> @Guest fdsa?
[[Thu,15:13] <Colubrid01> qwerty?
[[Thu,16:08] <Rateater> forget i2p, install lokinet and use the lokinet-based gateway. works like a charm.
[[Thu,17:37] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 Dvorak?
[[Thu,17:42] <Quilnux> lokinet tends to contradict itself by saying it's completely decentralized from any central authority but then starts talking about how it's blockchain based which mean, it has a central authority (because there has to be a seed for that directory so new nodes know where to download a copy from). Heh... Not to mention blockchain is NOT security. Weird... But it does look interesting. I'm not just a blockchain guy though.
[[Thu,17:47] <MM> Morning, all. I LOVE that git WD-40 is a thing. Lol!
[[Thu,18:16] <Quilnux> @MM Yes. I was actually considering moving back to SVN when I heard that git was going Rust but this morning I found that the community delivered us a Rust-free git! So I was happy that I didn't have to move to SVN.
[[Thu,18:19] <MM> That's awesome. Where there's open source, there's a way! :)
[[Thu,18:31] <Quilnux> @MM That is the full and complete promise of open source. And anyone who hates the idea that WD-40 git exists just hates open source in general.
[[Thu,19:14] <Guest> qwerty
[[Thu,19:24] <MM> @Quilnux, Yep. And I'm fairly certain that Rust zealots hate open source. Lol!
[[Thu,19:38] <Quilnux> @MM 100%. They hate anyone that tries to remove Rust from things. It's honestly one of the craziest things I've seen in open source. And I've been in open source since the Linux Kernel was v0.12 in 1992. I thought I'd seen it all until the Rust crowd had to be a crazy cult. Now I can say I've seen it all. lol.
[[Thu,20:11] <Malayopython> @Quilnux @MM what is the issue with rust?
[[Thu,20:22] <DRIPDRIP> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
[[Thu,21:07] <Quilnux> @Malayophython It's a cult trying to erase open source. You must be living under a rock or something.
[[Thu,21:09] <MM> @Quilnux, So right. Yes, they're a cult. I don't get it. It's code! Who cares. I don't mind Rust as code. I don't think it's as great as the zealots, but it's fine. But I can't stand the cult which makes me very averse to using it at all.
[[Thu,21:20] <Guest> hi
[[Thu,22:30] <rustguy> I just like the language man. we're not all crazy
[[Thu,22:30] <rustguy> I just like good generics
[[Thu,22:34] <Quilnux> @MM They basically ruined their own code langauge the moment they decided that everything has to be rust and they are going to bash and trash talk anyone who supports C/C++. Not to mention the fact that Rust doesn't add anything new that we can't already do in C/C++. And their need to constantly add Rust like a virus to every "working" application and make it broken is absurd. Plus Rust is all about killing off open source. So I can't support that BS.
[[Thu,23:02] <Malayopython> @Quilnux i think it's important to distinguish the rust community and the rust language. one is retarded and one is objectively great imho
[[Thu,23:03] <Malayopython> @rustguy precisely, the monomorphization and in general, generics and the type system is just the best in rust
[[Thu,23:08] <Malayopython> not to mention thread and type safety as first class features. i just recently learnt to appreciate it whilst coding RNS python where you have to dig into the source code of the library to find out the expected "type" (if you even want to call it that) a function accepts
[[Fri,01:03] <Quilnux> @Malayopython You are entitled to your opinion but I do not share it. Rust is a blight because of the culture behind it. And the problem is, open source will make the same mistake that it did back in 2004 and will lose it's soul again.
[[Fri,02:58] <MM> Sorry @rustguy! You're not all bad. I shouldn't make generalizations. =)
[[Fri,06:43] <josef> hi everybody...
[[Fri,06:56] <rustguy> can we all just agree javascript is bad tho
[[Fri,12:46] <e> hi how are you today ?
[[Fri,12:59] <Quilnux> @rustguy You can't consider yourself a victim of generalization and them do the same generalization yourself with Javascript. Just saying.
[[Fri,13:00] <Quilnux> Good morning @e
[[Fri,17:54] <Malayopython> i love those little gang wars. let's publish a mandatory code of conduct for everyone using the chatroom with the following rules: rust bad, javascript bad, C bad, C++ beyond bad, HolyC holy, assembly GOAT
[[Fri,17:57] <Malayopython> jokes aside, everyone knows that pure bash scripts are the only way a real man is supposed to code
[[Fri,18:24] <Guest> RNS 1.3.7 is out.
[[Fri,18:24] <Malayopython> thanks for the info
[[Fri,18:26] <Malayopython> i fucking hate java so much. not because of the language. not because of the community. because i have been tortured to write nonsensical "learning projects" with it for many years. it causes me physical pain.
[[Fri,21:23] <knee> ger
[[Fri,21:24] <System> knee is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Fri,22:13] <Quilnux> Java isn't a bad language but it gets overused in areas it has no business being used in honestly. For light scripting or client-side browser stuff, it's fine but for anything else, Java really shouldn't be used. It still surprises me that people continue to maintain a java version of Minecraft. There's be better options out there to port it to honestly. But anyways...
[[Fri,22:43] <Guest> Anyone alive in here?
[[Fri,22:48] <Quilnux> @Guest I'm still breathing.
[[Fri,22:51] <Quilnux> Yuck... I found a rngit node with a bunch of Rust repo's on it. I feel dirty now. Gotta to watch my eyes out with soap.
[[Fri,23:05] <laptop> So, anybody hosting html pages yet?
[[Fri,23:14] <Malayopython> @Quilnux please share the rngit link
[[Fri,23:15] <Malayopython> @laptop did not have a need for it. my personal page serves micron which i expertly crafted by wrapping a bunch of bash code into a giant cat here doc XD
[[Fri,23:16] <Malayopython> @Quilnux the rule is simple: everything done in java could be done better in rust (trigger warning)
[[Fri,23:17] <Malayopython> change my mind hahaha
[[Fri,23:25] <Quilnux> @Malayopython I burned that address so fast. My ban list has it's first victim.
[[Fri,23:26] <Quilnux> The rule is even simplier, everything done in Rust can be done in C way better, faster, cleaner, and without destroying open source.
[[Fri,23:39] <laptop> Well, we can host actual videos an audio over rns now, on html pages, not just link them (like micron) but actually watch videos over rns, is why I mentioned it.
[[Fri,23:41] <laptop> But I guess it isn't that popular of an idea, since we have regular internet anyway, but it's a backup option, in case someone has a wifi mesh setup.
[[Sat,00:34] <laptop> I'm actually surprised it seems to be so unpopular around here, and so few ppl create sites.
[[Sat,00:59] <Quilnux> @laptop If I had to guess, it's unpopular because a "backup" from an internet connection would mean that the internet isn't working in the first place. That basically falls back to Lora which probably won't do very well with Video (I'm normally Lora connected and the fastest I've had is about 4KB/s).
[[Sat,01:00] <Quilnux> However, I would prefer reticulum over the internet. So I'm more likely to download videos from reticulum then the internet if given the choice (assuming I'm on a TCP interface of course)
[[Sat,01:04] <Quilnux> Has anyone figured out how to fetch from rngit? I have no problem rngit fetching from markqvist's rngit server but when I've tried to download someone from someone else's, I'm having trouble. I think it's related to the tag after the fetch command. when I do fetch list the tag is 1.0.0 but when I do fetch 1.0.0 it says "invalid release specification. I've also tried fetch 1.0.0:all, I get error Artifact not found. Even if I change 'all' to a filename I still get the same issue. Is this repo botched or am I doing it wrong? (it's not my server, I'm pulling from someone else)
[[Sat,01:13] <laptop> And that is all very true, but I guess this (rns html stuff) also applies to existing mesh networks, like freifunk in Germany for exp -people who already have a wifi mesh setup going, in the event of a blackout for exp. And no, video isn't LoRa friendly, but it's definitely an option on a local LAN, I mean people create sites on i2p for exp and most of the world won't even see those, so, that was my train of thought. But meh, we have neocities or whatever.
[[Sat,01:33] <Malayopython> @Quilnux not sure what's not working in regards to fetching from rngit but i have my own instance running on my basement machine and i can push from my laptop just fine. of course had to configure access control beforehand according to the manual
[[Sat,01:34] <Malayopython> ok i should have read the entire message before answering, actually good explanation of the issue. don't know if i am affected, going to bed now
[[Sat,02:24] <Colubrid01> saying everything in rust can be done better in C is like saying everything in C can be done better in assembly. but i don't approve the tribalism in neither direction. C is great
[[Sat,02:25] <Colubrid01> and anyone who says that memory / thread safety is a skill issue hasn't ever built complex software before
[[Sat,02:47] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 Of course, the "memory safety" argument. The problem is, C already has memory safety. Fil-C is a fully memory safe C compiler. You should check it out. Rust is irrelevant. And let's be clear about something. This has absolutely nothing to do with tribalism and to suggest that it is, would suggest your ignorance to the truth about what Rust is really about. You have not been paying attention to what has been happening over the last 2 years. I suggest you spend the time to educate yourself before we discuss this further.
[[Sat,03:12] <Guest> Perl is a real man's language
[[Sat,03:29] <Quilnux> @Guest, I actually used perl a lot in the 90's. I was introduced to it in 1993 and loved it. I did that and assembly while I was learning C at the time.
[[Sat,04:15] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 Here's something to get you started on the merits of my argument: https://dtptips.com/%E2%9A%A0%EF%B8%8F-the-rust-vs-gpl-controversy-is-linux-risking-its-open-source-soul/ It's explained very well and is written by someone who remains unbias. Hopefully this can help the conversation along so you can understand where I'm coming from in all this.
[[Sat,07:39] <e> i have a question for everyone, why are you on rns ?
[[Sat,09:17] <Guest> hello everyone, i have been getting into alternate networks and protocols. i love seeing things and reading things. learning things. the http world isn't enough, more things is needed for me. so i am here checking this out.
[[Sat,09:37] <josef> @e its a great alternatif for the internet. I just want something to get info and chatting without other things attached like ads.
[[Sat,09:38] <josef> and you are in control if the internet goes down rns is still up in other ways
[[Sat,09:51] <e> ok
[[Sat,10:12] <e> ok
[[Sat,10:18] <Guest> hi people! I'm showing you to some students! behave!
[[Sat,14:26] <Quilnux> Hey @e To answer your question, I personally feel as though the internet has become less about people and more about controlling thought and freedoms. The internet has regressed into a means of enslavement of thought and process to the point that it no longer is an expression of people and exchange of different ideas and thoughts. Governments use it to oppress people and corporations use it to enslave people for money. We've given everything over to a handful of conglomerate web sites and have lost control over what we do and what we have. Back in the 90's before the internet was really available to most people, BBS systems were built to exchange information and ideas. Each BBS has it's own library of files and conversations. We owned everything. If you didn't like the way a BBS was being handled you could just make your own. It's not really possible to do that anymore with the internet. So Reticulum opens that door and brings us back to the 90's of ownership.
[[Sat,15:45] <Davo> Hello
[[Sat,16:26] <Quilnux> Hello @Davo
[[Sat,21:12] <welo> this is like irc but we are all sending emails lenght messages cause none of us are online at the same time
[[Sun,02:12] <JAH158> Hello All!
[[Sun,03:48] <josef> @quilnux So you are from the BBS era too, These where the gooddays and about the door open bringing us back
[[Sun,03:48] <josef> yes I totally agree with that.. It something that we own and control
[[Sun,03:50] <josef> @JAH158 hello
[[Sun,04:14] <Orion> Hello. :]
[[Sun,04:41] <josef> BTW does anyone use ratspeak?
[[Sun,04:54] <laptop> @josef downloaded it, haven't tried it yet.
[[Sun,04:54] <laptop> hello @Orion
[[Sun,05:12] <KB81> Testing Chat. Nice work.
[[Sun,05:13] <josef> @orion hello
[[Sun,05:14] <josef> @laptop, you should try it.. works good to me..
[[Sun,05:28] <laptop> Already have like 5-6 different chat apps and hardly anyone actually talks on these things, no point in adding another atm.
[[Sun,05:31] <laptop> But maybe someday.
[[Sun,05:36] <Guest> How do you get links to work properly and redirect to your other pages in nomadnet if you're writing in micron?
[[Sun,05:41] <laptop> left square bracket, page name, :/page/example.mu ,right square bracket
[[Sun,05:42] <laptop> thre should be a backtick after "page name"
[[Sun,05:43] <laptop> whatever the page name may be
[[Sun,12:50] <Quilnux> @josef, yes I am from the BBS era. Never got to use Fidonet since there was only 1 BBS in the area that had it and it was long distance at $0.35 cents a minute but we had about 8-9 local BBSes where I lived at the time. Some the the best communities I've ever been part of.
[[Sun,13:56] <Quilnux> Heh, Ubuntu had to remove the Rust version of the cp command because it broke Ubuntu completely. Ubuntu, Just keep GNU CoreUtils. There is zero benefit from Rust versions at all. None. Ubuntu is run by dumba**s.
[[Sun,14:33] <Quilnux> Off topic: One change I hope the next version of the chat room has is each line in the chat having an offset color. So black background then maybe a very minimal dark gray (for example) to help seperate chat messages. Having the name on every line makes it hard to determine which chat lines are for one reply vs a second reply when no one in-between has chatted yet.
[[Sun,16:33] <Guest> @laptop thx
[[Sun,16:46] <laptop> @Guest You can download MeshChatX and it will display the script on user nodes, it can help with learning. There are also yt videos on the subject.
[[Sun,23:44] <Ававава> вава
[[Sun,23:45] <System> Ававава is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Mon,02:07] <Colubrid01> @Guest I have a blog article on micron formatting: 6d1bfedbe359b49cefd61767b390e49c:/page/blog/posts/2026-04-20-nomadnet-site-rendering/index.mu
[[Mon,02:07] <Colubrid01> just inspect the page source
[[Mon,02:08] <Colubrid01> took me 10 minutes to send this message because MCX on android would constantly break (disconnected from backend, just freeze etc.)
[[Mon,02:12] <Colubrid01> @Quilnux we will never agree on the rust topic (it's a powerful tool that, for me, stands next to C, not above) but I do agree that replacing working software with rewrites for the sake of it is just retarded, they would need a thorough testing stage (like testing for YEARS at least)
[[Mon,02:14] <Colubrid01> and even then, what's the point? too early imho. let's just declare Ubuntu itself the testing phase
[[Tue,09:52] <pla55> one project i'm eyeing is Genode/Sculpt OS. imo monolithic kernels are just not fit for serious use. just look at the amount of LPEs Linux has had in a short while and how fragile the system is if a driver misbehaves. i've read their foundations book and it's quite a logical design. just like Reticulum assumes an untrustworthy environment, Genode brings the same mindset to system drivers and components and IPC.
[[Tue,12:26] <Malayopython> let's see what comes out of it
[[Tue,12:29] <Guest> fuck the system change my mind
[[Tue,12:30] <Malayopython> anybody know an alternative to 0chan? still not reachable for me...
[[Tue,12:32] <Malayopython> 253e67911a76125e2c0df30f75adf810:/page/index.mu
[[Tue,14:31] <Quilnux> @pla55 I think the current iteration of Linux is built on the idea of "works with everything" so that would be the very definition of monolithic which I can fully understand why in todays world the Linux kernel would be this way. Originally the Linux kernel wasn't. It was pretty simple, slim, you'd add to it yourself whatever you needed but the baseline kernel was very small. The problem is, today the technical knowledge gap is much higher and most people do not have any clue how technology works. In fact, Gen-Z's which are the most internet connected generation to date, has an extremely limited knowledge on how computers work. So that knowledge gap has to be carried into the Linux Kernel to make it capable of just being dropped into an OS and work. However, for most people who are very technical (such as myself), you can easily make the Linux Kernel very slim and non-monolithic. That freedom to have it large or small is what makes the Linux Kernel so good.
[[Tue,14:32] <Quilnux> @Colubrid01 I would say with that last reply that you and I are in complete agreement actually. It sounds like all the points I've been making this whole time you are basically saying the exact same thing as me in your last reply. So I think we are in full agreement even if you may not.
[[Tue,14:39] <Malayopython> sounds good
[[Tue,14:43] <Malayopython> i think the knowledge gap of gen Z is not the primary reason (albeit part of it and definitely an issue); the reason the linux kernel is the way it is is probably just due to the economic requirement to have a drop-in "just-works" kernel for every application - that way google, apple, microsoft and your mom don't have to develop their own. it's just more efficient that way. and if someone develops something meaningful, it's upstreamed if useful to others.
[[Tue,14:45] <Malayopython> futhermore, i have made the experience that the "knowledge gap" (i would call it lazyness and ignorance) is not limited to some gen: basically nobody around me, no matter the age, does not know how their daily lives' devices work. we probably live in the age in human history in which people have the most powerful tools but know them the least.
[[Tue,14:46] <Malayopython> should have spell/grammar checked that before sending but you get the point XD
[[Tue,14:47] <Quilnux> I know some people have talked about having this issue so I thought I'd mention it, the latest version of MCX now has this in the changelog -- Interfaces: The Interfaces page no longer shows all links as Down when Reticulum is running normally. /api/v1/interface-stats now serializes all byte fields (network_id, interface hashes, IFAC signatures, and related values) instead of failing on unconverted payloads. Stats are merged on the frontend by interface_name as well as short_name. Fixes false Down status when MeshChatX owns its own Reticulum instance (embedded mode). Attaching to an already-running rnsd shared instance was unaffected.
[[Tue,14:53] <Malayopython> @Colubrid01 updated on android yesterday and it was as buggy and slow as before. I haven't updated the desktop yet. Thanks for the notice.
[[Tue,14:55] <Quilnux> @Malayopython I only disagree in part because I know that when Google builds the Linux kernel, they never use the baseline, they actually scrub to minimal and then build it custom so I doubt that Apple uses baseline either. I would assume most companies are likely building from minimal just due to the need to harden the security gap as much as possible. That being said, I'd like to point out that Gen-Z knows how to use daily life devices but they don't really understand how it works at the lower level. They may understand CPU, RAM, Storage, Network etc, but if you gave them a minimal kernel and ask them to build it out as usable for a specific OS and then ask them to turn around and build up that OS from general bootstrapped tool chains, they probably would have no idea at all how to do that. When I say Gen-Z is technically illiterate I'm referring to the fact that they don't understand at the binary level what actually happens and how it works. My generation had way more people that understood the inner-workings of kernels and code because it was a mandatory class you had to pass to graduate high school. When you compare Generational technical literacy from a baseline of 200, Only 2% of Gen-Z's understand how a kernel works and could build one up from minimal. My generation sits at around 9%~ and the generation before me sits at ~12% This means there isn't enough Gen-Z's to replace those of us retiring out. So companies are desperate and that, at least to me, is why Linus has created a monolithic Kernel even though originally he was against monolithics.
[[Tue,14:59] <Quilnux> Wow.. I got spam detected because I was giving someone else the c_r_e_d_i_t for mentioning the new release of MCX that may fix the interface down problem. Great anti-spam systen you got there The Chat Room dev.... <sigh>
[[Tue,15:12] <Malayopython> yeah i've got a long way to go myself, good points. while it is bothersome to see the decline in understanding, i'm more bothered that the baseline in general is so low: most people don't know what a package manager is and when you use one, they ask if you are hacking them. i wish for a better baseline technical education, the overwhelming majority of people won't ever need intricate knowledge about building kernels. that, imo, is the same category as the intricate understanding how a car motor works with timing etc. i would be happy if the general population would at least know that their tires need air...
[[Tue,15:14] <Malayopython> is the admin of our beloved chatroom reading this? @amin @root?
[[Tue,15:33] <Quilnux> @Malayopython I agree that not everyone needs to know technology at this level, but It's one thing for a generation to have a couple percentage points difference in population from the previous generation that have such technical knowledge vs having a huge gap like between my generation and Gen-Z. If Gen-Z was closer to 10% or maybe +/-2% from my generation, that'd be fine. But when I see Gen-Z at 2% and it's not growing at all that tells me we have a problem. What happens when ALL my generation is retired and Gen-Z and Gen-A are setting at 2% or heaven forbid 1%? What happens to the remaining 7% of market need for this knowledge? That's the worrying part. People like me who are overstaying in the industry instead of retiring, companies are offering us crazy high salaries that are 5 times higher then they should be only because there aren't many of us left and Gen-Z cannot fill in the gaps. So it's worrying. Education has become complacent.
[[Tue,15:44] <Malayopython> what happens? a) we go back to live a peaceful life in the shire (it was nice having phones while it lasted); b) salaries rise and a few motivated people from THE CHAT ROOM make a lot of money - the market will find a way.
[[Tue,15:49] <Quilnux> @Malayopython I would love to see the carnage that would happen if everyone was forced to go back to peaceful lives in the shire. (I don't actually own a cell phone so I guess I'm one step ahead of everyone else). I doubt Salaries would rise however. If anything companies would go under and we'd live happy with our farming jobs and simple handtools for building things. Honestly though I wish we could go to that.
[[Tue,15:50] <Malayopython> A couple months ago I considered writing a dystopian short story about a society in which we have technology but nobody knows how it works anymore, everything is buggy and binary bundles of the coreutils are dealt on the black market - later versions are the most precious. The same applies to hardware: The world runs on outdated shit hardware and the people don't even know how to configure servers, they just press the power button and hope that the server is executing a useful program. Would be hilarious. Think of it as a mixture of Mad Max (but in a digital way instead of motorcycles and war rigs), Idiocracy and Blade Bunner. random thought
[[Tue,15:50] <Quilnux> The medical industry would suffer the most though.. So likelihood is, we all die at a much younger age.
[[Tue,15:51] <Malayopython> yes of course
[[Tue,15:52] <Guest> Hi
[[Tue,15:53] <Quilnux> @Malayopython That sounds like a book I'd read. My wife and I are current watching the Mad Max movies during our date nights. I hate to say it but I never watched the Mad Max movies before but I'm enjoying it. We finished the first two. Now we are on the Mad Max Thunderdome movie tonight once we get off work.
[[Tue,15:53] <Quilnux> Hello @Guest
[[Tue,15:57] <Malayopython> @Guest hi join the trash talk
[[Tue,16:00] <Malayopython> @Quilnux Honestly, I am a very non-conservative Mad Max evangelist. While the old movies aren't bad, I was mostly referring to Fury Road. Fury Road is objectively the best and Furiosa (the other new one) is objectively shit. DO NOT change my mind.
[[Tue,16:08] <Quilnux> I haven't gotten that far yet so I couldn't really change your mind even if you wanted me to at the moment.
[[Tue,16:19] <Malayopython> don't try. i'm afraid to change my mind!
[[Tue,16:19] <Malayopython> OK, at this point I'm just 100% procrastinating school, sorry
[[Tue,17:17] <Malayopython> maybe i need a music&movies section on my nomadnet page, might be a cool idea
[[Tue,19:33] <MM> Let me school you guys on MadMax movies. It goes MM:BT, MM:RW, MM, FR and Furiosa. And Furiosa is really only watchable as an abstract. =)
[[Tue,19:51] <Malayopython> this is where the fun stops @MM
[[Tue,19:53] <Malayopython> but we can stand strong together against Furiosa
[[Tue,20:20] <Quilnux> @@M Sorry, I'm just a chronological man, living in a chronological world. I have to watch them in the order of time they were released in.
[[Tue,20:25] <Malayopython> @Quilnux we are not that different after all
[[Tue,20:36] <pla55> @Quilnux I didn't say linux didn't work. I've been using it for more than a decade now. Indeed, monolithic kernels do not exclude a high degree of customizability, Linux can fit many many use cases while being trimmable and that has value. Rather, I was referring to the kernel program design/structure as a whole: Kernel code runs with full privileges without safeguards and can do anything to the computer. Genode flips this around, a sound card driver is just a regular 'user-level' program like any other. It just has permission to talk to that specific hardware and expose its audio in/out ports. If it crashes, it just can wreck itself up, nothing else running on the system is affected, so you'd just restart the driver like nothing happened. On Linux, code malfunctioning can do collateral damage to anything else. That's all a microkernel architecture solves.
[[Tue,20:46] <Quilnux> @pla55 Just to be clear I didn't say you said linux didn't work. -- In response, There are pros and cons for all things. Having the Linux Kernel be the authority on the PC allows it to be in control of everything related to both security and process. The pro is that a misbehaving app can't do things it's not supposed to do and overall system stability remains pretty solid regardless of what happens above the kernel. If you are flipping that, giving the applications full authority instead of the kernel (only 1 can have full authority) you can give apps direct access to hardware yes, but it will reduce stability of that application doesn't play nice. I don't know if a microkernel is a flip of that or not (I guess you and I might have different definitions of what a microkernel is.)
[[Tue,20:49] <Quilnux> @pla55 If you take a look at something like Windows ME, that is an example of a flip in authority. Windows 2000 would be an example of a monolithic Kernel with full privileges. If an application misbehaves, it doesn't take the entire system down with it on Win2000, But on WinME, if an application misbehaves the entire OS crashes.
[[Tue,21:13] <pla55> @Quilnux The microkernel's objective is precisely to make the part 'below the kernel' as small as possible, so that it can wholly focus on enforcing strict boundaries to anything above it (which includes drivers just as much as user programs). Less code below the kernel, less catastrophic bugs. You wouldn't be giving applications full access, actually, a process (component) in Genode by itself can't even print to console or allocate memory. It has no useful syscalls at all. The capabilities to do something are given and controlled by the parent process. So, for example, if your desktop process didn't get permission by its parent (maybe init) to talk to the soundcard hardware, it literally can't talk to it nor can it let its child processes (apps you'd click and run) get that permission. It may have permission to talk to the sound server which was a right given by init. So Genode goes a step further here but the main point about microkernel architecture is to minimize code with full-access, not add.
[[Tue,21:42] <MM> I should have been more clear. You should ABSOLUTELY watch them in release order. That list was enjoyability. :)
[[Tue,23:30] <Quilnux> @MM Beyond thunderdome might be my favorite. We are getting ready to watch Fury Road but we'll have to see if it can beat out BT
[[Tue,23:54] <hounddog> Arrrooo!
[[Wed,00:14] <babaroga> howdy!
[[Wed,00:46] <Malayopython> @Quilnux lemme tell ya, it does my pirate friend
[[Wed,00:48] <Malayopython> @pla55 sounds good but what applications are supported? a system without supported applications is like a messenger where you are the only one using it. overly restrictive and exotic userspace design breaks most common applications. i would rather go the other direction and achieve separation through virtualization. i know it's bloat. but here we are
[[Wed,00:49] <Malayopython> besides that, we all know that temple OS with its globally-shared address space (IIRC) is just the best; you can just call functions from the command line
[[Wed,02:09] <Quilnux> @Malayopython I really hate to respond and break your heart but, I gotta be honest, Fury Road wasn't that great to me. I kind of want me 2 hours back. I still enjoyed sending the time with my wife of course but, it wasn't as good as the first three. That being said, I'm probably just too old to properly enjoy it. So I'm willing to say it's my age. I'm sure it probably scratches that itch for people way younger then me.
[[Wed,02:12] <Quilnux> @pla55 I'm more likely to agree with @Malayopython here. When you start giving applications access to resources directly without the kernel it leads to bad things happening. Not to mention the security problems that will arise. You may not realize it yet, but do more research and you'll see what I'm talking about. It might be 'neat' tech but it'll never be serious enough to take off.
[[Wed,04:35] <laptop> @Malayopython I wasn't ignoring your direct message btw, it's just my prop node wasn't working properly, I just now switchd many hours later and synced like 20+ messages.
[[Wed,04:56] <MM> @MalayoPython, if Fury Road was not part of the MM series, it would be better. But it doesn't really fit. I liked it, but not the way I liked the rest.
[[Wed,04:57] <MM> @Quilnux, yes(!) my friend! BT is the best. It's not the most MM movie, but it's the most fun. But (maybe) like you, I'm older. I appreciate the older stuff.
[[Wed,05:24] <Guest> is anyone able to reach the creator of this game? I can't reach the lxmf listed on the page. I found a bug with the marketplace and inventory. nomadnetwork://80bccbb9324a2dc5bf7ecc262ac85daf:/page/index.mu
[[Wed,09:36] <pla55> @Malayopython it's still early for the average user, the devs are focusing on the base system. for example, linux (and i think bsd) drivers can be compiled for genode without much effort thanks to a user-mode compat layer (library that mimicks kernel environment, but is actually sandboxed). the intel gpu/wifi driver from linux work fine, and mesa was also compiled for it so gpu/3d acceleration works. It has support for the Qt framework so in principle it just needs someone to package more stuff for it. the Chromium browser works through QtWebEngine (falkon browser)... so it's more or less capable of a normal desktop experience but it's still missing UX work. like, there is no taskbar or traditional desktop, but it's on the roadmap for things to improve this year (check their site for more info), so i'm looking forward to it.
[[Wed,09:41] <pla55> @Quilnux with all due respect i don't think we're even remotely on the same page. or you're just trolling. i think i've explained pretty clearly how the security aspect is handled on those systems yet you still assume it's just like templeOS. anyways, i'm desisting from replying any further to you. if you want more info, look into what a microkernel actually is on wikipedia or whatever you prefer.
[[Wed,10:36] <Colubrid01> actually the temple os joke was made by me and it was a joke. but besides that, i stand by the fact that the only secure operating system is hannah montana linux
[[Wed,10:45] <Guest> yall just too old for MM:FR. it's probably just what you're looking for in a movie. i like MM:FR for its absurdity and intenseness mixed with a not-too-cheesy story. it's a gimmick. the older MMs just have a different goal than FR.
[[Wed,14:48] <josef> hello everybody
[[Wed,17:21] <Colubrid01> jo what's up @josef?
[[Wed,17:22] <Prongo> Hewwo
[[Wed,17:51] <Quilnux> @MM I'd agree. Fury Road needed to be it's own thing. It really didn't feel like a Mad Max movie but that's just me.
[[Wed,17:54] <Quilnux> @pla55 I'm sorry you feel that way but I'll no longer talk to you if that's what you prefer. No problem.
[[Wed,17:55] <Quilnux> Yeah, I'd agree with that @Guest.
[[Wed,18:04] <Malayopython> i'm retarded, le @Guest, c'est moi!
[[Wed,19:05] <Malayopython> @pla55 @Quilnux behave you two little brats!
[[Wed,19:21] <Malayopython> you both have the right to disassociate and we are all trolling all the time lol
[[Wed,19:59] <Harold> Hello guys! Does anyone tried to use Helltec v3 with MeshChat on Windows 7?
[[Wed,20:01] <Quilnux> @Malayopython Don't worry about it. If they don't want me to engage with them that's fine. I don't care. Doesn't chance my opinion on the subject. Some people just can't handle their opinions being challenged is all.
[[Wed,20:05] <Quilnux> @Harold, I'm currently running a Helltec v4 board.
[[Wed,20:06] <Harold> It seems that MeshChat is running normally over internet, but does not see my RNode device
[[Wed,20:07] <Harold> And I suspect that it is Winfows 7 / VxKex issue
[[Wed,20:08] <Quilnux> @Harold, although after re-reading I just noticed you were asking about Windows 7. No I'm running on Linux. Sorry about that.
[[Wed,20:09] <Quilnux> Does Device manager see it?
[[Wed,20:12] <Guest> Hello from Ren Browser on IOS
[[Wed,20:17] <Harold> Yes, Device Manager recognizes the device. And the really interesting thing is that i successfully flashed the RNode firmware onto Helltec v3 via WebSerial using Supermium on Windows 7.
[[Wed,20:19] <Harold> MeshChat can see the COM port, but it can't identify the device or it's parameters.
[[Wed,20:20] <Harold> Manually entering the frequency and other settings didn't make any difference.
[[Wed,20:29] <Quilnux> @Harold I did have a problem originally when I was first setting up my Heltec v4 where Linux recognized it but it wouldn't up the link for some reason. Eventually I re-flashed the device again and it worked after that. So maybe you have a similar issue. Try reflashing and see what happens.
[[Wed,20:43] <MM> Trollin' trollin' trollin'! Keep those memes'a trollin'! Rawtroll!
[[Wed,21:47] <Malayopython> @Harold don't use windows
[[Wed,21:48] <Malayopython> @MM you're the man
[[Wed,21:51] <Malayopython> @Quilnux @Harold I can't really contribute anything meaningful to the conversation besides that I successfully flashed 3 Heltec v4 devices using Linux and the rnode community firmware which i compiled myself (to give each device its own unique LotR-themed bluetooth device names for shits and giggles)
[[Wed,21:51] <Malayopython> and it mostly worked out
[[Wed,21:55] <Harold> "Don't use Windows" is not an option due to some... well known usability issues.
[[Wed,21:57] <Harold> Probably it will work with MeshChat in headless mode. Aldo I will try to connect it over bluetooth.
[[Wed,22:08] <pla55> @Quilnux @Malayopython I mean, yeah, no hard feelings. Just got tired of trying to get the point across after the third time lol.
[[Wed,22:11] <pla55> My bad for being harsh.
[[Wed,22:15] <pla55> My bad for being harsh.
[[Wed,22:16] <pla55> (Guess Ctrl+R has the same problem as HTML forms in browsers do, TIL)
[[Thu,01:24] <I_AM_ROB> Anybody figure out someway to access NomadNet over HF radio yet?
[[Thu,01:40] <laptop> @I_AM_ROB I've seen a few videos on yt.
[[Thu,12:21] <System> Guest has joined The Chat Room!
[[Thu,13:06] <I_AM_ROB> @laptop drop a link if you know of anything showing it over HF. I have seen some videos showing reticulum over VHF/UHF but im not sure how this can work over HF. Ill do some research today, cheers!
[[Thu,13:32] <laptop> https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=blwNVumLujc
[[Thu,13:53] <laptop> Guess most of those videos were indeed UHF.
[[Thu,13:53] <laptop> or packet radio
[[Thu,15:34] <Quilnux> @I_AM_ROB Sadly in the US it's illegal to use HF with encryption for ham radio frequencies so that's a no go here. The only legal frequency to use in the US is the 902 bands and 2.4GHz bands since they are ISM. I'd be nice to have some ISM bands in the HF range here in the US but we just don't have that. Your lucky if you live in a country where encryption over HF is allowed.
[[Thu,15:40] <Quilnux> But as a ham radio operator I can at least say that HF will not be something you can just put an antenna on a pole and plug it in and it will just work. It requires some serious planning with ground planes, grounding rods separate from the house and turntables to angle and point the antenna (whether it's a di-pole antenna or a yagi antenna. And you have to learn atmospheric ducting and all the math that goes with that so you can target a specific spot on earth that you want your signal to hit, too much and you overshoot your target, too little and you won't make it to the target. So you have to know where receivers are located and exactly the math involved for that.
[[Thu,15:42] <Quilnux> You also need to understand how Doppler effect works depending on how far out you are targetting.
[[Thu,16:50] <Malayopython> not a certified radio amateur myself but there are some good resources for learning that stuff on youtube which i did consume
[[Thu,17:25] <MM> Hey roomies! How goes it?
[[Thu,18:32] <Cookie> Howdy!
[[Thu,19:19] <Quilnux> @MM It goes fine. I'm still tryin' ta find a restaurant where I don't haf-ta wear shoes... - Reference to Pushing Tin
[[Thu,20:14] <MM> @Quilnux, lol! Great movie! Hi @Cookie! =)
[[Thu,20:16] <MM> What's everyone doing? I'm trying to figure out why my github PAT isn't working in Obtainium. So frustrating. Wasting time on such little shite.
[[Thu,22:28] <I_AM_ROB> @Quilnux Im in the states as well. I have a solid HF set up, i spend alot of time on VARAC. Im hoping somebody can figure out a way around the encryption issue, maybe somehow decoding it for the HF portion? Being able to access these type of networks long distance over HF would be amazing!
[[Thu,23:11] <Malayopython> @MM obtainium with github access token works fine for me (works on my machine TM), should be possible in general
[[Thu,23:15] <Malayopython> @I_AM_ROB the encryption argument is, while from a legal perspective valid, complete BS to me. who's going to argue that you weren't just sending random unencrypted bytes? looks like encrypted traffic but the only way to prove that it isn't is by decrypting it, right? completely arbitrary to me...
[[Thu,23:49] <MM> @Malayopython, I know! It works for everyone! I've tried three different PATs today. No love. I wonder if I'm setting them up wrong.
[[Fri,02:46] <Quilnux> @MM Working through a coding problem with this traffic signaling system they got me working on. Been trying to find the problem for 3 days now.
[[Fri,02:51] <Quilnux> @I_AM_ROB As I understand it from the manual, it's impossible to use Reticulum unencrypted because the routing table is part of that encryption. I haven't had the time to look directly at the code for the routing system yet (plus I'll have to learn Python first) but the manual is pretty clear. Decrypted packets have no way to route because they will no longer contain routing information. So somehow the encryption IS the routing table.
[[Fri,02:52] <Quilnux> @Malayopython It's pretty easy to look at something and determine if it's encrypted or not. Cryptography was one of my specializations when I first got into coding. So I can usually look at something and determine if it's encrypted and most of the time I can even tell you exactly what encryption scheme it's using. FCC has been cracking down hard though so people in the US really gotta be careful. They aren't letting things slide anymore.
[[Fri,02:56] <MM> @Quilnux, that sounds cool!
[[Fri,03:18] <Quilnux> @MM I'll be honest, it's pretty boring actually. But it pays the bills and let me take good care of my family so they want for nothing.
[[Fri,04:49] <MM> That IS what's important. :)
[[Fri,08:34] <zz> sup
[[Fri,09:12] <josef> hi everbody
[[Fri,09:13] <josef> I just realized after updating my meshchatx it has now a relay chat.
[[Fri,12:51] <Guest> RNS 1.38 is out.
[[Fri,15:15] <Quilnux> @josef Yeah, I'm not sure how helpful it is though. I've been using it for the last week or so and it only shows messages when your connected. So anything sent when your offline your never see. It doesn't work the same way that IRC does in that it will provide some of the chat history when you connect.
[[Fri,16:58] <MM> Yeah, Relay Chat is very alpha. It's hard to get people into the rooms. It's hard to make them work right. It's a cool idea, though!
[[Fri,17:26] <Guest> Has anyone seen any nodes from african countries besides south africa?
[[Fri,17:53] <Malayopython> @Quilnux yes, my point was not so much that encrypted traffic is "invisible" or indistinguishable from random bytes (although that's a goal of encryption schemes like AES), my point was more that nobody can prove that it is actually encrypted data and not just unencrypted data. it's more a philosophical thing: if you encrypt something and destroy the key afterwards, is it still encrypted data or just noise? who is going to prove that you didn't just forge unencrypted traffic that looks like encrypted traffic?
[[Fri,17:54] <Malayopython> @Guest no, but i haven't been looking either
[[Fri,19:25] <Malayopython> how much resources do your rnsd / nomadnet / lxmd instances need in general? i might have made the mistake of allocating too few resources (1G / 1 core) to my reticulum VM and map ~/.nomadnet, ~/.reticulum and ~/.lxmd to a NVMeoF (TCP) share. this might have caused my connection issues. any comments to roast my competence?
[[Fri,22:31] <columbauser> trying to message via rnode and Columba
[[Fri,23:20] <josef> @quilnux yes, I was also expecting like IRC
[[Fri,23:21] <josef> but I had some notif, but only if the chat hub was still connected.
[[Sat,00:06] <Leto84> Test
[[Sat,00:06] <Leto84> Тест на Русском
[[Sat,07:16] <Guest> aho
[[Sat,10:12] <Willy> Saying hi from the Netherlands
[[Sat,12:36] <josef> Hi willy from Indonesia
[[Sat,14:07] <Quilnux> @Malayopython From what I've been able to see, rnsd in transport node needs high RAM and medium CPU (If your in a VM I'd recommend a minimum of 2GB RAM and at least 2vCPUs but if you can, go with 4vCPUs.) lxmd is more hard storage-based and lower RAM (about 1GB would be safe) because it only seems to hold messages in RAM during transmitting and it's usually pretty low. Personally though I sit at 2GB for lxmd. 2vCPUs is what I use. I don't have a nomad site yet so I can't speak to that.
[[Sat,16:12] <System> burger has joined The Chat Room!
[[Sat,16:13] <burger> heyo
[[Sat,18:32] <Guest> Hello
[[Sat,21:37] <welo> @Malayopython isn't the law more about obfuscation rather than encryption
[[Sat,21:39] <Malayopython> @Quilnux thanks for the feedback, i'm now going with 3G RAM and 2 CPU cores and it works much better
[[Sat,21:40] <Malayopython> @burger what kind of burger? can i eat you?
[[Sat,21:41] <Malayopython> @welo imho the law is about controlling the taxpayer and oppression
[[Sat,21:42] <welo> I mean your not wrong but I'm just saying, even if you made code words that's still illegal
[[Sat,21:42] <welo> not that I'm a big fan of that law either, I understand it but I still disagree
[[Sat,21:43] <welo> @Guest (the one talking about africa), that south africa server is actually a VPS I bought because I thought africa was looking empty
[[Sat,21:44] <welo> I orginally tried to get a server in kenya but that was like 5 times more expensive for the same amount of server
[[Sat,21:44] <welo> that was a bit too much for something I decided to do on a whim cause I thought it would be funny
[[Sat,21:47] <welo> that was a bit too much for something I decided to do on a whim cause I thought it would be funny
[[Sat,21:50] <welo> that was a bit too much for something I decided to do on a whim cause I thought it would be funny
[[Sat,21:51] <welo> oh and to piggy back an earlier converstaion, there is low level technical nerd gen-z, because I'm one and have met others like myself
[[Sat,21:52] <welo> I have a theory that we are the percentage of the population as before (maybe slightly lower)
[[Sat,21:54] <welo> in the olden days, you would have to ahve some techincall knowhow to even connect to the internet
[[Sat,21:55] <welo> the technology would gatekeep itself and thus all you'd see would be other nerds
[[Sat,21:56] <welo> but now we've been crowded out, and by the nature of usually introverted and quiet, we don't have a big footprint
[[Sat,21:58] <welo> that's not a bad thing necessarily, the democratization of the internet is important
[[Sat,21:59] <welo> But a majority of us are random thankless maintainers doing what we think is the right thing, quietly
[[Sat,22:02] <welo> But a majority of us are random thankless maintainers doing what we think is the right thing, quietly
[[Sat,22:02] <welo> okay something is up with my connections cause my messages keep duplicating
[[Sat,22:05] <welo> you get my point though, we are out there, but we are more sleeper cells, because it's hard to find other people IRL that have similar interests
[[Sat,22:08] <welo> I'd argue you get better innovation face to face and that's also gone down which probably isn't helping
[[Sat,22:10] <welo> if that's purely an internet thing or a societal thing with the reduction of third places, I'm not sure, I literally have not existed on this earth long enough to see the gradual change. But the same personal matrix that if born in the 90s, would have become the sterotypical hacker, is still being born today, just with different results
[[Sat,22:11] <welo> if that's purely an internet thing or a societal thing with the reduction of third places, I'm not sure, I literally have not existed on this earth long enough to see the gradual change. But the same personal matrix that if born in the 90s, would have become the sterotypical hacker, is still being born today, just with different results
[[Sat,22:12] <welo> well, I can't predict the future, we'll just have to wait and see
[[Sat,22:14] <welo> I don't think the decline in technological understanding is as great as people make it out to be, it's just that more people have access to the technology while the amount of people who understand it has stayed constant
[[Sat,22:15] <welo> so the percentage goes down but the knowledge is still there, that's my theory anyways
[[Sun,04:42] <Guest> hello
[[Sun,06:35] <remission2065> Is there a way to serve nomadnet pages while they're in subfolders in the .nomadnetwork/storage/pages/ directory?
[[Sun,15:05] <welo> you can, it's just the default index.mu that has to be in the pages directory
[[Sun,16:51] <Malayopython> test
[[Sun,16:52] <welo> your test is working
[[Sun,16:52] <Malayopython> weird, since yesterday, all my submitted messages were just ignored in the chat. they just don't show up. why is that?
[[Sun,16:53] <Malayopython> @welo i like a lot of points you made. do you have a nomadnet page?
[[Sun,16:54] <welo> yea actually I do
[[Sun,16:54] <welo> okay so my page is just instructions on how to join my reticulum minecraft server
[[Sun,16:55] <welo> cause that's a thing I did
[[Sun,16:55] <welo> cause that's a thing I did
[[Sun,16:56] <welo> <ae5b7154485ac679d5f29645d93f50a6>
[[Sun,16:57] <welo> <ae5b7154485ac679d5f29645d93f50a6>
[[Sun,16:57] <welo> okay I'm messaging from my big backbone server and reticulum still randomly disconnectsc
[[Sun,16:58] <welo> probably cause I have 200 interfaces on this machine, I don't think reticulum was really built for that so it chooses some shotty node and my connection never forms
[[Sun,16:58] <welo> I used to have another page but I lost it at some point, I wonder if there's an archive of it somewhere still
[[Sun,17:00] <welo> I've lurked in this specific nomadnet site before and for times you just couldn't connect to it, so maybe it is a server side issue
[[Sun,17:01] <Malayopython> @welo cool page
[[Sun,17:07] <Malayopython> and a cool idea with the proxy, too
[[Sun,17:08] <Malayopython> I have a reticulum proxy / tunnel project going on my page as well, but due to the current exam phase I don't really have time to mess with it further.
[[Sun,17:09] <welo> fair enough, take care of yourself man
[[Sun,17:21] <welo> also I think that's the first semi-realtime converstaion anyone's had here
[[Sun,17:23] <Malayopython> no we have had some good conversations back and forth before i believe
[[Sun,17:25] <welo> well I stand corrected, first one Ive seen
[[Sun,19:36] <Jim> Are there chatrooms like this on the Messages tab or only on Nomad Network?
[[Sun,20:11] <Malayopython> this chatroom is a nomadnet page operated by idk who. the messages tab (assuming you're using mesh chat / mesh chat x) is for 1-to-1 messages. there is an experimental relay chat feature in mesh chat x but we tested it and it was very buggy. hope that answers the question.
[[Sun,23:00] <Jim> Thank you, that does answer my question.
[[Mon,02:46] <MM> Evening all. How is everyone?
[[Mon,05:56] <Guest> i'm Alive!!!
[[Mon,10:53] <Malayopython> exam phase sucks but i'm good overall. ask not what the mesh can do for you, ask what you can do for the mesh. random funny commie slogan that came to mind, sorry
[[Mon,10:57] <Malayopython> @Guest crazy realization, right? is this realization itself a circular proof?
[[Tue,00:55] <josef> Hi everybody...
[[Tue,01:06] <HRSY> Hey, up and running in Detroit!
[[Tue,01:16] <Warpoet87> Greetings from Nebraska o/
[[Tue,01:18] <Meteo> Meteo Request from Warpoet87: Weather in omaha: 29.4C, Clear sky
[[Tue,01:30] <HRSY> Hey, up and running in Detroit!
[[Tue,02:49] <Guest> Hello World
[[Tue,02:53] <CaptainCaveman> hello from Earth 616
[[Tue,03:03] <OldSalt> FFThis is a test, only a test $e
[[Tue,03:04] <OldSalt> FFhad this been a real message, it would mean something... $e
[[Tue,11:10] <Goby> Greetings from across the pond, Glizmongers
[[Tue,11:31] <Malayopython> @OldSalt how do you do this? micron magick?
[[Tue,11:44] <Malayopython> time to lock in, don't you guys think?
[[Tue,14:54] <laptop> FFslash c then the text
[[Tue,15:01] <Malayopython> got it
[[Tue,15:01] <Malayopython> FFpretty cool. rtfm i guess
[[Tue,15:47] <Narf> Greetings from MN! Hoping to flash a solar LoRa node soon & start a local BBS. Not a tech guy at all, so everything is a learning curve here.
[[Tue,15:48] <Narf> FFthe text ;)
[[Tue,15:53] <laptop> Hey, from Miami.
[[Tue,16:40] <Malayopython> Germany is still on air... let's see for how long
[[Tue,19:04] <Guest> greetings earthlings
[[Wed,10:17] <welo> FFcoolio
[[Wed,10:47] <System> Guest is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Wed,12:36] <KW14> Good Morning!
[[Wed,12:39] <KW14> Good Morning!
[[Wed,12:39] <KW14> Good Morning!
[[Wed,15:32] <Quilnux> Wow... it has been days since I've been able to get connected to the chat room. Not sure what was going on.
[[Wed,15:47] <laptop> @Quilnux The developer runs it on a vps if I remember correctly.
[[Wed,15:53] <DarkestOath> Good day to all my fellow Nomads
[[Wed,16:25] <wrinklyGuest> where are all the UK folks ?
[[Wed,19:02] <Cainam> Hey all, Belgium signing in.
[[Wed,20:28] <Quilnux> @laptop I've never used VPS before. I guess this is a perfect reason to never use it. heh. If it always goes down I can't imagine it's a very good service.
[[Wed,20:29] <Quilnux> On a different topic, Wingdings is the best font, change my mind.
[[Thu,01:42] <Sudo_Eviils> hello all
[[Thu,01:46] <josef> hello
[[Thu,11:28] <Malayopython> @Quilnux don't care about the font as long as it's monospace
[[Thu,11:36] <Valiant> I'm in the UK WrinklyGuest. You are not alone!
[[Thu,11:37] <Malayopython> weird, my reticulum services (rnsd / lxmd / nomadnet / rngit) in my basement node became unreachable again, even after i increased the VM specs. the VM itself works fine, ping and all. just the rnsd instance (and thus all services announcing through it) went unconnectable again
[[Thu,19:09] <Cavemanicus_Inc0gniticus> Greetings
[[Thu,21:12] <Malayopython> hi
[[Thu,23:21] <PrinceGarth> FINALLY I FIGURE OUT HOW TO SEND A MESSAGE
[[Thu,23:22] <PrinceGarth> This interface is broken ._.
[[Fri,00:10] <laptop> @PrinceGarth If you're on nomadnet, it's Ctrl + d. You can try MeshChatX, you may find it simpler.
[[Fri,01:07] <josef> morning everybody
[[Fri,01:38] <laptop> gm
[[Fri,23:56] <Guest_0bcc> Hi all, new to Ret, lots to learn!
[[Sat,02:24] <laptop> welcome
[[Sat,04:38] <thomasbarnns> Monospace is the goat!
[[Sat,23:12] <Colubrid01> @PrinceGarth CONGRATS
[[Sat,23:13] <Colubrid01> hey ho friends
[[Sun,02:12] <kMan> hello from rnode
[[Sun,02:13] <laptop> If anyone is interested in html stuff over reticulum, hmu 0b4e4f22ef38010e20955ea158c141f5
[[Sun,12:08] <Burrow> hello from Poland
[[Mon,04:14] <Guest> Hello
[[Mon,07:18] <demo> hello everybody
[[Mon,07:29] <demo> test
[[Mon,07:30] <demo> that funny my nick has changed to demo..
[[Mon,07:34] <demo> maybe can the ops or admin if the chatroom can look in to it. my nick has changed to demo
[[Mon,19:42] <supernoob> sup
[[Mon,19:58] <Guest> Rns 1.4.0 is out !
[[Mon,21:56] <laptop> also MeshChatX v4.7.2
[[Mon,22:02] <Guest> just set up my node and wanted to see if it is working correctly, hello to all!
[[Mon,22:06] <Guest> Thanks I just saw the security alert and updated my system
[[Mon,23:14] <Note> howdy y'all
[[Mon,23:22] <BlackMamba> hey all, this is @Malayopython / @Colubrid01 running Columba!
[[Mon,23:41] <laptop> hello
[[Tue,09:14] <josef> hello
[[Tue,09:29] <Malayopython> @laptop what is the hash you sent regarding HTML? is it a nomadnet page?
[[Tue,09:30] <Malayopython> ah i'm retarded sorry. it's your lxmf contact address
[[Tue,09:32] <Malayopython> side note: @BlackMamba updated their columba version yesterday and they consider it to be one of the best mobile apps now. supports nomadnet and messaging which is all i want.
[[Tue,10:23] <Malayopython> @demo can you change your nickname? what was your nick before?
[[Tue,11:57] <ASDFtest> hello world?
[[Tue,11:57] <ASDFtest> Hello @josef
[[Tue,12:14] <Malayopython> @ASDFtest hi
[[Tue,12:34] <ScoolboyMaster4000> Hello rns eweryone!
[[Tue,12:35] <welo> test123
[[Tue,12:36] <welo> let's go boys, I managed to find a fix to make I2Pinterface actually work, i'm typing this through an i2p interface and it's not shitting itself every 2 seconds
[[Tue,12:36] <welo> okay imma go figure out how to send a patch to mark
[[Tue,12:39] <ScoolboyMaster4000> Congratulations!
[[Tue,13:13] <Malayopython> very cool @welo
[[Tue,15:08] <welo> sent patch, should be in a version or two
[[Tue,17:48] <Malayopython> maybe it's a stupid idea but what if i wanted both (slow) long range and (fast) short range lora connections on android at the same time? could it work to connect one rnode via usb-c and one via BLE and configure them both in columba to use different frequencies? the frequencies should not interfere, right?
[[Tue,18:12] <Quilnux> Well, my days on this site are probably numbered. It's rare that I can get this nomad site to load anymore. Not sure what's going on. All other sites work and RRC works so it's only with this one. I've been trying for days to talk to you all here but this is the first it's worked in the last few days.
[[Tue,18:21] <Quilnux> @Malayopython Just be sure that you have a minimum offset frequency of 12MHz and you should be fine (so 12MHz difference between them in order to ensure they don't have interference.
[[Tue,18:24] <Quilnux> @Malayopython Sorry, I meant 5MHz difference. 12MHz is the offset for dual talk systems. But rnode is single transceiver so it's 5MHz.
[[Tue,19:18] <Malayopython> @Quilnux I'm having trouble with this page as well. Thanks for the info, might try it out. If there is anything I can do to help troubleshooting connectivity issues for this nomadnet page, please tell me so.
[[Tue,19:35] <welo> i mean y'all could just fork this, there's an option to read all chat logs and the software is open source so you could just copy and paste it
[[Tue,20:26] <Guest> Hello! Testing this Reticulum Webapp/Nomad browser :-) https://thatsfguy.github.io/reticulum-webclient/
[[Tue,21:47] <BlackMamba> @welo don't have time to fork atm
[[Thu,03:02] <Quilnux> @welo Forking and hosting your own isn't going to bring in the people here. There are several other sites that use the chat room code and if you ever look at them, there is one or two people MAX and they only speak about once a week. This is the only site (which is the official site) that people go to for the chat room. So while it can be forked, it doesn't mean that it will be popular to do so.
[[Fri,19:49] <Guest> test
[[Sat,00:06] <josef> goodmorning everybody
[[Sat,02:23] <MRHRSY> good evening!
[[Sat,03:03] <nobunaga> good evening everyone
[[Sat,07:27] <Guest> RNS 1.4.1 is out !
[[Sat,12:27] <welo> well RNS has been updated to help with linking so getting to this chatroom should be more stable probably
[[Sat,12:29] <welo> also i'm in the change logs, so that's cool
[[Sat,14:20] <nu11_byt3r> Hello Mesh
[[Sat,15:14] <nobunaga> good afternoon from the void
[[Sat,15:19] <Quilnux> RNS 1.4.1 has made routing and pathing much faster. This is great stuff!
[[Sat,17:27] <MM> Hey, all! Been a minute! How is everyone?
[[Sat,18:54] <welo> chill i guess
[[Sat,20:45] <AndesRover> Anyone here?
[[Sat,21:52] <Guest> hi
[[Sat,22:26] <nu11_byt3r> Well all of my systems are now on 1.4.1, makes a difference.
[[Sun,15:42] <nobunaga> gm everyone from OH
[[Sun,15:43] <nobunaga> well everyone not from ohio as well, meant that I'm GMing from Ohio lmao
[[Sun,15:55] <laptop> Hey man, welcome.
[[Sun,17:23] <MD> test
[[Sun,17:24] <Diman> Wow, it works
[[Sun,17:25] <MD> Yes it seems to :)
[[Sun,17:26] <MD> I am running MeschatX currently connecting via Starink.
[[Sun,17:26] <MD> Fro NW UK
[[Sun,17:27] <Diman> But if i want to read new messages - i should manually reload page
[[Sun,17:27] <Guest> Yes that appears to be what you have to do.
[[Sun,17:28] <Diman> RU - SPB. Went to reticulum for the first time.
[[Sun,17:29] <MD> hmm, ok. Are you setting up reticulum wireless network using Lora?
[[Sun,17:31] <Guest> Not yet. Just TCP client. Going to use LORA. For now - just looking around )
[[Sun,17:32] <MD> ok, must dash, have fun.
[[Sun,17:32] <Diman> Thanks )
[[Sun,21:35] <Monkey_Man> Hello guys, Sending a test message to see if i can route traffic through rnodes only in airplane mode. Please say something if you see this
[[Sun,23:26] <josef> @Monkey_Man yes I see it... but we are in different timezone.
[[Sun,23:55] <Guest> Testing from a node that only has 1 interface: a lora rnode
[[Mon,02:08] <josef> @Guest its comming thru... its readible..
[[Mon,07:21] <AnotherGuest> Test
[[Mon,07:26] <Dickman> Hello! This is a test
[[Mon,07:29] <AnotherGuest> Test
[[Mon,07:30] <AnotherGuest> How normal is it to just start receiving conversations sent to you that don't say anything?
[[Mon,07:36] <B> testing
[[Mon,07:36] <System> B is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Mon,07:48] <Guest> 1.4.2 is out with lots of improvements and fixes
[[Mon,08:06] <System> B is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Mon,08:06] <B> testing
[[Mon,08:07] <B> Are you able to see this message?
[[Mon,08:40] <B> Are you able to see this message?
[[Mon,12:07] <laptop> Yes.
[[Mon,13:57] <Malayopython> Yes.
[[Mon,14:00] <System> Malayopython is Laughing Out Loud! LOL! :D
[[Mon,16:11] <Malayopython> just updated everything to rns 1.4.2, let's see how it goes
[[Mon,19:52] <Colubrid01> MCX on android seems a little more stable now
[[Mon,20:04] <OblikoMorale> hi all
[[Mon,20:05] <OblikoMorale> do something with color of names
[[Mon,20:09] <OblikoMorale> have are nice day all
[[Mon,20:56] <nobunaga> good afternoon homies
[[Mon,21:26] <Colubrid01> good afternoon
[[Mon,21:58] <klepto> heyos
[[Mon,23:47] <josef> morning everybody
[[Mon,23:48] <josef> I guess everybvody has upgrade their rns to 1.4.2
[[Tue,01:35] <orchid> hm
[[Tue,02:51] <B> Howdy
[[Tue,03:33] <B> Where is everyone logging on from?
[[Tue,04:44] <josef> @B from Indonesia
[[Tue,05:31] <B> Nice! Are you one of the only people on reticulum out there? Or is it decent in popularity
[[Tue,06:15] <pete> good morning from germany
[[Tue,06:16] <B> Good morning! About to head to bed here in the US
[[Tue,06:17] <B> Hope its a good day out there
[[Tue,06:17] <pete> nice, sleep well! :)
[[Tue,06:19] <pete> just discovered the site browsing function in the Columbia App, cool! :)
[[Tue,06:23] <josef> @B there are a few on the rmap abaout 6 and only 2 that I have contact with them.
[[Tue,07:05] <pete> @josef that's a good start, we are just starting to build a network in our city
[[Tue,07:34] <Guest> @pete can you share your reasons for the network?
[[Tue,07:43] <josef> @pete Nice.. I starting with reti just 2 months ago, and its interesting.
[[Tue,07:44] <josef> But somehow back inmy mind I thought the posibility connecting to old pc's or the good old homecomputer like the c64 or amiga.
[[Tue,07:46] <josef> I saw on ytube somehere that somebody made a cartrigde for using meshtastic for the c64.
[[Tue,07:52] <josef> So I believe it mind be posible with reti
[[Tue,08:34] <pete> @josef: our reasons for wanting to use reticulum is explained really well in the Zen of Reticulum (https://reticulum.network/manual/zen.html).
[[Tue,08:36] <pete> I meant to answer @guest sorry :)
[[Tue,08:42] <Guest> I would like to know the story of everyone for inspiration why and how to use it. I have read the Zen.
[[Tue,08:50] <pete> @gurst: main reason is to have an alternative network that does not allow surveillance, control etc. The way things are developing in many countries (authoritarianism) necessitates an alternative free comms network.
[[Tue,09:51] <welo> the irony about an alternative network is that we'll only start using it when we are forced to
[[Tue,09:52] <welo> maybe that's not really irony but human nature, but here will stay niche as long as the normal internet is just about bareable enough
[[Tue,09:53] <welo> this place is more a backup unless you really need to send information over a lora link to a different country, which 99% of us don't have to. And it's fine for that
[[Tue,09:55] <welo> Even though I like reticulum as a technology, i have to admit that the best case scenario is that reticulum stays niche because that means the regular internet has stayed free enough that we don't need to migrate here.
[[Tue,10:03] <josef> @pete yes I read the zen of reticulum. I like the concept of uncentralized.
[[Tue,10:18] <Malayopython> uncentralizability* @josef
[[Tue,10:28] <josef> aah yes thanks for the correction... I didnt check back again...
[[Tue,10:32] <Malayopython> not trying to be overly exact on the matter, it's just an important distinction ;-)
[[Tue,10:37] <josef> haha its fine... I was really in to reticulum and watching Mark's presentation on ytube..
[[Tue,14:51] <B> @josef I think I saw that video! haha. It was "saveitforparts" - good channel
[[Tue,14:52] <B> The one of him running meshtastic on it
[[Tue,16:40] <Tost_000_PC> Yo us this chat still active?
[[Tue,16:40] <Tost_000_PC> is*
[[Tue,16:42] <Malayopython> just look at the message timestamps
[[Tue,16:56] <Quilnux> @Guest, my reasons are to get away from the Internet as much as possible. While I still use TCPClient for Reticulum, I don't consider that being on the internet. The internet is, for lack of a better way of saying it, pretty horrible these days. Misinformation, people just putting lies up for clicks and advertising $$$. I want something real, something more human. Reticulum brings that. It reminds me of growing up pre-internet (yes, I'm super old), where people talks to people over computer modems instead of talking to web sites and AI bullsh*t.
[[Tue,16:58] <Quilnux> @welo I don't know about that. I don't use the internet much anymore. I spend more time on Reticulum now. Set up a transport node in the spring and the only real Internet use I have today is emails and paying bills online (for those that I can't mail a check to). Everything else, including communicating with family members is done near exclusively over Reticulum.
[[Tue,17:16] <Malayopython> based
[[Tue,20:36] <welo> @Quilnux well fair enough, more power to you my friend
[[Tue,20:37] <welo> @Quilnux for me it's just lack of tooling rather than anything else
[[Tue,20:38] <welo> like if syncthing and qbittorrent worked over reticulum and some other stuff, I'd be happy to just casually use it
[[Tue,20:53] <Floyd> Hello from Appalachia
[[Tue,20:59] <welo> like if syncthing and qbittorrent worked over reticulum and some other stuff, I'd be happy to just casually use it
[[Tue,21:39] <Guest> @Quilnux Nice, I also grew up before the internet. How do you do group chat for family?
[[Tue,23:45] <lorenzo_vsgt> hello from Rome IT
[[Wed,00:12] <nLupo> Hey
[[Wed,03:01] <Quilnux> @Guest Well, I don't really have a reason to group chat with family. But if I was to do it over reticulum, I'd probably use RRC or something like that. RRC or something like that, running on a private IFAC. But honestly, I haven't found a reason to group with family. I didn't even do that over the internet so it's never been a problem I've had to solve before.
[[Wed,03:06] <Quilnux> @Guest Not to mention I'm a HAM radio operator as is key members of my family, and I have other communication methods I use that doesn't require internet or other infrastructure to be in place for communicating with a family that would work better for group conversations with family (either voice or text).
[[Wed,03:46] <josef> Goodmorning everybody
[[Wed,04:48] <MM> @Floyd, hello Appalachia! What a cool place!
[[Wed,05:53] <B> Hope the day is a good one for all out there.
[[Wed,08:49] <josef> Who was it that talk about torrent over reti, I found the it on github
[[Wed,08:49] <josef> https://github.com/roogle-dev/reticulum-phantom
[[Wed,10:19] <Malayopython> not sure if torrenting over reticulum is a particularly good idea privacy wise but i'd be curious to see how it performs
[[Wed,10:52] <ObscureB> @guest https://github.com/thatSFguy/reticulum-group-chat
[[Wed,10:59] <pete> @Qiuilnux: if you're a ham then you are a key person with radio skills to push and develop reticulum over RNodes (LoRa, wifi, packet radio etc). Would be great to share your skills to buildlocal reticulum networks in your area :)
[[Wed,12:14] <Guejj> Helllou
[[Wed,13:38] <Quilnux> @josef Good morning!
[[Wed,13:41] <Quilnux> @josef It says it's "torrent-like" so it's probably not full torrent but just something similar (I stated before, I don't think the torrent protocol is the best way to do p2p file sharing over Reticulum). Good find! Might be a great option for people needing to do p2p!
[[Wed,13:42] <Quilnux> @ObscureB Nice! For people that need it this will be an amazing addition to Reticulum! It's great to see a lot of applications and protocols being built around RNS.
[[Wed,13:46] <Quilnux> @pete In the US it's illegal to do so over ham frequencies. I'm familiar with how frequencies and waveforms work as well as thermal and atmopheric ducking and backscatter but none of that would be relevant to the ISM-915 bands outside of waveforms in difficult terrain and how to maximize your distance. But I don't really think I have any value beyond that honestly other then building software for RNS.
[[Wed,13:46] <Quilnux> @pete I can help people set up and configure their RNodes though...
[[Wed,13:47] <Quilnux> @Guejj Hello!
[[Wed,13:57] <josef> @Quilnux yes its a torrent-like just thinking to share it. I use also torrent the qbittorrent.
[[Wed,13:59] <josef> Its a good thing to have a torrent-like or equal on the reti.
[[Wed,14:04] <Quilnux> @josef Definitely. I don't use torrent anymore (haven't for about 10 years now) but I think anything that brings capabilities from the internet over to Reticulum is always going to be good. I'd still like to see something like an FTP server (without needing nomad) for people to access. I'm sure some people just use rngit but I'd like to get a real FTP server functioning. It's probably not hard to do I just don't have to time to build it (plus I'd have to build a RNS framework for the C language first. I don't know anything about python code other then being able to read it.
[[Wed,14:07] <josef> @Quilnux I use the meshchatX in the tools there is filesharing with remoting and permision but its in alpha stage.
[[Wed,14:08] <josef> I didnt try it yet..
[[Wed,14:08] <Quilnux> Somewhat off topic, we really need a MUD server for reticulum...
[[Wed,14:11] <Quilnux> @josef You must have a different version of MeshChatX then I do because I don't see it (I don't update all the time like others probably do). Not sure if file sharing is the same though as an FTP servers. I'll depend on it's implementation. I noticed filesync is in development though. someone was talking about that in this room that I had responded to. So they might have filesync capability soon.
[[Wed,14:13] <Quilnux> I don't tend to use stuff that syncs files between machines though because I have 1 desktop and 2 laptops and I don't want to laptops to have the same files as my desktop in case they get stolen. So I don't generally use those things. I just selfhost Nextcloud locally and use that over a selfhosted VPN.
[[Wed,14:23] <josef> I see.. I do filetransfer once in a month. I was looking forward for options. incase something is going to happen.
[[Wed,14:30] <Quilnux> @josef Reticulum just grows more and more each month. New capabilities are always welcome.
[[Wed,14:31] <Quilnux> I gotta head out. I just got a brand new Tesla (first I've ever owned) and it's got so many features I need to sit in it and just start touching buttons on the screen to see what everything is (it's overwhelming not gonna lie). Have a great rest of your morning/afternoon/evening!
[[Wed,14:31] <ObscureB> @Quilnux I've seen two MUD servers on nomadnet so far
[[Wed,14:32] <ObscureB> 96e3fe9f897cbe5dfcbd9400e2e41515:/page/index.mu
[[Wed,14:34] <ObscureB> I think this is the other one. Though I haven't seen it in a while. 80bccbb9324a2dc5bf7ecc262ac85daf
[[Wed,14:36] <Quilnux> @ObscureB Thanks for sharing! I'd prefer a non-nomad version, this will do for now. Thanks for sharing! Great find!
[[Wed,14:36] <Quilnux> See you all later!
[[Wed,17:53] <welo> the reticulum phantom implementation is kinda ass frankly
[[Wed,17:53] <welo> it's just non standard and not really built for reticulum either so it's the worst of both worlds
[[Wed,17:54] <welo> I've been looking into adding reticulum support into qBittorrent directly and I've half written up a spec for that, I'm just ass at c++, so if I were to do it, it might take me a month.
[[Wed,18:02] <welo> hardest part of porting is having an alternative thing in place of trackers.
[[Wed,19:07] <welo> okay I looked at the libtorrent thing (library that qbittorrent uses) and bro I am so fucking lost, I have not touched C++ in a very long time and it shows.
[[Wed,19:09] <welo> okay I'm gonna go find a go or rust version of a bittorrent client and take a look instead because those are the two languages I'm not braindead at
[[Wed,19:10] <welo> would rather just port qBittorrent directly, but a proof of concept is fine.
[[Wed,19:11] <welo> someone who is smarter than me can do that if I happen to be onto something
[[Wed,19:16] <welo> microReticulum (reticulm's c++ impl) seems pretty good from the people I've heard talk about it. So I reckon it is actually doable
[[Wed,20:45] <cykros> Greetings folks. feeling late to the reticulum party but fips wants to insist on systemd and this is feeling more accessible so figure i'll learn my way around here first
[[Wed,20:52] <cykros> curious if there's more available than I've run across on Android. Seems like Sideband is good basic stuff but NomadNet and other terminal stuff is basically unusable on a touch screen on a phone without a keyboard.
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[[Thu,00:21] <josef> @cykros sideband is very basic.. there are other apps for the phone
[[Thu,00:22] <josef> like meshchat,meshchatx, columba or ratspeak.
[[Thu,02:06] <Quilnux> @welo It's been suggested by Mark Qvist that it's likely harder (in most cases) to port to Reticulum vs building apps from the ground up. I believe torrent will be one of those cases were a completely new application vs porting because the torrent standard heavily relies on IP to be present and wasn't really designed or implemented for cases without IP. IP is basically the foundation of torrent. If you look at how trackers are implemented (for example, which I think you've realized since you mentioned it), it cannot be used with anything that is not an IP-based network. And a re-write of the specification for trackers would require a complete re-engineering of the torrent protocol and standard. So it wouldn't be compatible with the normal torrent system used on the internet today.
[[Thu,02:09] <Quilnux> @welo The better option would be to throw away torrent and build a torrent-like standard instead, and make it purpose built for Reticulum. It won't be torrent but if the output (end result) is identical, it doesn't matter if it's torrent or not.
[[Thu,02:22] <Quilnux> Have a great night everyone!
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